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Also this post along with many others has never considered the alternative in that all were sure Saddam in power would be better than what is going on now.

with due respect, it does not take a whole lot of brainpower to know that leaving things as they were for a while would have been better than any military invasion. ALL wars are unpredictable. SH was being watched, and essentially "contained". The inspectors were doing their job .....under duress / from both the US ( giving them all kinds of time tables.........as if that made sense) and the previous Iraqi gov't. In fact there was NO CRITICAL NEED to invade Iraq. Bush wanted Iraq since before he took office........and for reasons that only he knows.
 

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That is what you believe, but it may be because the horror of now can never be visualized with the horror avoided.

Perhaps Saddam's remark that his mistake in Gulf War I was NOT having nuclear weapons worries you little?

Perhaps you have a confidence in the international authorities to control such a person that I do not share.

Also a huge source of money for Palestinian suicider families dried up.


On one hand your analytical cyncism lives and in another hand your unquestioning un-analytical hope lives.
 

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That is what you believe,


sorry, Jim....... that was /is what I THINK----and as more information is made available, my THINKING changes. One cannot second guess every leader on this planet.......and this applies to the bush administration too. What we do KNOW.....is that bush craeated a disaster and on false premises. that is about as disastrous as one likes to get in this current era. Seems that the only ones who are so scared of some nuclear action is the US......and yet they have the largest supply of such weaponry to date. Go figure.
 

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jimmoyer said:
Also a huge source of money for Palestinian suicider families dried up.

That would explain why there have been no more suicide bombers since Saddam was imprisoned. I wondered why that had all stopped.
 

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If you are so sure, then that's the gamble you take.

gamble??? One "gambles" with human lives??? One "gambles" with a nations history, culture and the destruction of same???

Don't think so.
 

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I know this does not compute with you, but you are much more acquainted with the details of George Bush than Saddam Hussein.

Your gamble with lives is unknowable because you would have kept Saddam around and we don't know what calamity in the next 10 years with that "accident waiting to happen."
 

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Don't Give Bush An Exit Strategy
Norman Solomon
August 22, 2005


Norman Solomon is the author of the new book War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death. For excerpts and other information, go to: www.WarMadeEasy.com

The Bush administration may ratchet up the Iraq war.

That might seem unlikely, even farfetched. After all, the president is facing an upsurge of domestic opposition to the war. Under such circumstances, why would he escalate it?

A big ongoing factor is that George W. Bush and his top aides seem to believe in red-white-and-blue violence with a fervor akin to religiosity. For them, the Pentagon’s capacity to destroy is some kind of sacrament. And even if more troops aren’t readily available for duty in Iraq, huge supplies of aircraft and missiles are available to step up the killing from the air.

Back in the United States, while the growth of anti-war sentiment is apparent, much of the criticism—especially what’s spotlighted in news media—is based on distress that American casualties are continuing without any semblance of victory. In effect, many commentators see the problem as a grievous failure to kill enough of the bad guys in Iraq and sufficiently intimidate the rest.

For example, bypassing the euphemisms preferred by many liberal pundits, George Will wrote in a Washington Post column on April 7, 2004, that “every door American troops crash through, every civilian bystander shot—there will be many—will make matters worse, for a while. Nevertheless, the first task of the occupation remains the first task of government: to establish a monopoly on violence.”

A lot of what sounds like opposition to the war is more like opposition to losing the war. Consider how Philadelphia Inquirer columnist Trudy Rubin concluded a piece on Sunday that disparaged Bush and his war policies. The column included eloquent, heartrending words from the mother of a Marine Corps Reserve member who died in Iraq early this year. And yet, the last quote from her was: “Tell us what it is going to take to win, Mr. Bush.” In a tag line, the columnist described it as a question “we all need an answer to.”

But some questions are based on assumptions that should be rejected—and “What is it going to take to win?” is one of them. In Iraq, the U.S. occupation force can’t “win.” More importantly, it has no legitimate right to try.

While leveling harsh criticisms at the White House, many critics fault Bush for the absence of victory on the horizon. A plaintive theme has become familiar: The president deceived us before the invasion and has made a botch of the war since then, so leadership that will turn this war around is now desperately needed and long overdue.

Some on Capitol Hill, like Democrat Joseph Biden and Republican John McCain in the Senate, want more U.S. troops sent to Iraq. Others have different messages. “We should start figuring out how we get out of there,” Chuck Hagel said on Sunday. He lamented: “By any standard, when you analyze two and a half years in Iraq ... we’re not winning.” But a tactical departure motivated by alarm that “we’re not winning” is likely to be very slow and very bloody.

In the Democratic Party’s weekly radio address over the weekend, former senator Max Cleland said that “it’s time for a strategy to win in Iraq or a strategy to get out.”

Cleland’s statement may have been focus-group tested, but it amounts to another permutation of what Martin Luther King Jr. called “the madness of militarism.” All the talk about the urgent need for a strategy to win in Iraq amounts to approval for more U.S. leadership in mass slaughter. And the United States government does not need a “strategy” to get out of Iraq any more than a killer needs a strategy to stop killing.

“It is time to stand back and look at where we are going,” independent journalist I.F. Stone wrote. “And to take a good look at ourselves. A first observation is that we can easily overestimate our national conscience. A major part of the protest against the war springs simply from the fact that we are losing it.” Those words appeared in mid-February 1968. American combat troops remained in Vietnam for another five years.

It matters why people are critical of the U.S. war effort in Iraq. If the main objections stem from disappointment that American forces are not winning, then the war makers in Washington retain the possibility of creating the illusion that they may yet find ways to make the war right.

Criticism of the war because it isn’t being won leaves the door open for the Bush administration to sell the claim that—with enough resolve and better military tactics—the war can be vindicated. It’s time to close that door.
 

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jimmoyer said:
I know this does not compute with you, but you are much more acquainted with the details of George Bush than Saddam Hussein.

Your gamble with lives is unknowable because you would have kept Saddam around and we don't know what calamity in the next 10 years with that "accident waiting to happen."

there is NO logic to this thinking at all. It is still part of the either /or mentalilty which is rigid and allows for no new and creative solutions to issues......such as this one.

Don't think anyone in the US has the right to blame SH for his actions ,when the US supported SH when it SUITED the US. It is the US (G) that is a traitor in this situation......(if one is going to get technical about it) . So invading a nation to depose the leader (militarily) is your answer??? This is ILLEGAL in the first place. That is why they could not use that as an excuse to invade and had to create some phantom WMD .......to scare people into supporting this insanity.

What "accident" was about to happen??? What facts do you have to support that kind of delusionary statement??? With that kind of fearful, fear engendering mentality......it is amazing some are capable of of leaving their homes at all. LIFE itself is an "accident" about to happen........ and so what??

The reality is that the USG actions.......Iraq wise are a continuous "accident" happening. And the implications of this disastrous narcisistic decision.......are far reaching and only starting to be felt.

Reality is that Bush and goons are more dangerous than SH ever was or could be. And they have shown it. SH may have been cruel in his time.........but Bush goon inc.. is just as cruel and we have seen it live. The point too is that we have NOT seen what goes on in the bush secret prisons. Each leader ( SH and Bush is a sadist in his own way.,

Now, if it makes one happy to support ,endorse, and follow this kind of leadership.......... it is your choice.......but don't whine when things go sideways even more than they are now. And don't even bother to play the childish little blame game that the US is so famous for now. Take responsibility for your actions, thoughts and decisions.........and the consequences they render. simple principle of life. ( it applies to politics too..........as these people are elected to office to do a job for a population. They are accountable to the population who voted them in. Nothing complicated about that one.......unless one makes it complicated.)

Now, if one supported this insanity ( invasion of Iraq via military AGGRESSION)) ......fine. But don't try to spin things so as to present a more palatable picture .......when there is none. One is only fooling oneself . (self delusions) Furthermore, it is so transparent it would be laughable , if it were not so tragic and so many people had not been killed, (INTENTIONALLY), and a nation almost destroyed. Tragically, a nation with a long and rich history. too. This lack of respect for a fine culture and history is horrific on its own. but then respect is not something that is part of the US*G* value system.Greed, violence , is.
 

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*This is an appeal written by Iraqi Doctors concerning what is happening
in western Iraq. It is both extremely informative as well as an
important appeal. Operations in many of these areas are ongoing today,
despite the fact that this press release is a week old:

DOCTORS FOR IRAQ WARNS OF URGENT HUMANITARIAN CRISIS AS US/IRAQI
MILITARY ATTACKS CONTINUE IN THE WEST OF IRAQ

*As US/ Iraqi military attacks continue in Haditha, Rawa, Parwana and
Heet in the West of Iraq, Doctors for Iraq is warning of an urgent
health and humanitarian crisis unfolding on the ground.

Haditha, Rawa and Parwana have been under attack for the past three
weeks with US/ Iraqi military activities intensifying over the past few
days. The main hospitals in the area are reporting shortages of medicine
oxygen, sugerical kits, anti-biotics and other basic medicines.

Civilians have fled to neighbouring towns and villages such as Ana and
are in need of basic foods, water and shelter. Shop keepers are unable
to open their premises because of the US/ Iraqi operation, and trucks
with urgent food supplies are facing serious difficulties entering the
seiged areas.

Eyewitnesses and medical personal have told Doctors For Iraq that
snipers are operating inside some of the seiged cities. Haditha hospital
estimates that at least eleven civilians were killed during the attack
and 15 injured. The US military prevented ambulances from entering the
areas and medics from working freely. The area remains under siege.

Local people say that US marines invaded the town of Rawa and carried
out air strikes bombing many buildings and homes. It unclear how many
civilians have been killed or injured in the areas where the military is
carrying out operations A school building in Parwana was bombed with
people inside the school. It is unclear how many people were inside the
school and who they were.

Doctors for Iraq has organised for medical aid to reach some of the
hospitals and a medical team has been sent to the affected areas.

The military operations in the West of Iraq have left the healthcare
system paralysed. Hospitals in the area are unable to provide sufficient
medical services for the population. The new military attacks are
further compounding the suffering of people in the area.

Doctors for Iraq is calling for the *_immediate_* *_end_* of US/ Iraqi
military attacks in the area.

Doctors for Iraqi is calling for an independent investigation into the
serious breaches of the Geneva Convention, the alleged killing of
civilians and obstructing medical personal from carrying out there work.

We need urgent medical supplies to be delivered to the hospitals in the
area.
 

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It's Time To Debate Iraq
Rep. Lynn Woolsey
August 23, 2005


U.S. Representative Lynn Woolsey is a Democrat from California. This article originally published on the Knight-Ridder/Tribune news wire and appears by permission.

The war in Iraq, now entering its 30th month, seemingly brings a new atrocity or source of shame every day. The American death toll is approaching 2,000, with August on track to be one of the war's deadliest months.

And let's not forget the wounded, the victims of post-traumatic stress syndrome and the tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians senselessly killed so that their nation could be 'liberated'.

Throughout this year, I have been calling for the president to bring our troops home to their families as soon as realistically possible. I have repeatedly requested hearings on Iraq troop withdrawal.

But having received no satisfactory answer, I decided to take matters into my own hands. On September 15, I am convening a hearing (modelled on the one organized by Rep. John Conyers about the Downing Street memos), where we'll hear from academics, military personnel and other experts about strategies to achieve military disengagement while still playing a constructive role in the rebuilding of Iraqi society.

The insurgents show no sign of relenting; after all, it is the U.S.-led occupation itself that is fuelling their violent fervor. They are using more powerful weapons, and many of them have infiltrated the Iraqi security forces.

Directly contradicting Vice President Dick Cheney, who recently insisted that the insurgency was in its "last throes," an anonymous military official told The Washington Post last week that the insurgents "certainly are not going to pack up and go away, there's no doubt about it."

The Iraqi constitution is shaping up to be weaker on women's rights than even the regime of that famous egalitarian, Saddam Hussein. As the editors of The New Republic put it: "The idea that 1,800 American troops died so Iraqi women could enjoy the full blessings of religious medievalism ought to disturb the Bush administration and the American people."

Earlier this month, we learned of a November 2003 incident in which soldiers stuffed an Iraqi general in a sleeping bag, tied him up with a cord, and beat him to death. Cause of death, as announced by the military: natural causes. We've discovered over the last year that Abu Ghraib was just the tip of the torture iceberg. But not a single military higher-up has been held accountable.

This past week, however, someone was disciplined. Four-star Gen. Kevin Byrnes was relieved of his command...for having a consensual adulterous relationship with a civilian woman, even though he was separated from his wife at the time. The message is clear: Sadistic interrogation techniques? Good work. Extramarital romance? Clean out your desk.

Meanwhile, President Bush breezily enjoys his vacation, largely oblivious to the fact that roughly two-thirds of the American people disapprove of his Iraq policy. And obviously ignoring the fact that a woman named Cindy Sheehan—a friend of mine from Vacaville, Calif.—stands outside his ranch waiting to get some answers about the war that killed her 24-year-old son. The president still refuses to meet with her.

Our famously steadfast president is suddenly vacillating quite regularly. The last few weeks has seen the White House flip and then flop about whether the United States will be increasing its military commitment in Iraq or drawing down some time next year (in time, conveniently, for the 2006 midterm elections).

And there's still convincing evidence that we're preparing to have permanent military bases in Iraq. All this from the same president who built a case for re-election on the fact that John Kerry was sending 'mixed messages' on Iraq.

The White House cannot even make up its mind about what to call this war. The tried-and-true 'Global War on Terrorism' appeared to give way to 'Global Struggle Against Violent Extremism,' before the president distanced himself from that phrase a week later.

How distressing that energy is being wasted on slogans and catchphrases, as if this were a marketing campaign for a new line of detergent. More statesmanship, less salesmanship, please. Everything about this war has been a ruinous debacle: the way we got into it, the way we've conducted it, the refusal of a plan for disengagement, the high price—in dollars and lives—we've paid for it. It must end as soon as possible. There is only one solution: Bring the troops home.


slogans and catch phrases.(and LIES of course).....are the hallmark of this administration.......while limited in true substance.
 

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in 2003 when American troops first entered Baghdad, historian Marilyn Young suggested that Operation Iraqi Freedom was "Vietnam on crack cocaine." She wrote presciently at the time:


"In less then two weeks a 30 year old vocabulary is back: credibility gap, seek and destroy, hard to tell friend from foe, civilian interference in military affairs, the dominance of domestic politics, winning, or more often, losing hearts and minds."

That language -- and the Vietnam template that goes with it -- has never left us. Only this week Republican Senator and presidential hopeful Chuck Hagel, who served in Vietnam, publicly attacked the administration's Iraq policy for "destabilizing" the Middle East and suggested that the President's constant "stay-the-course" refrain was "not a policy." He added, "We are locked into a bogged-down problem not... dissimilar to where we were in Vietnam. The longer we stay, the more problems we're going to have."

Put another way, Young's statement might now be amended to read: "Iraq is what history looks like once the Bush administration took the equivalent of crack cocaine"; "the United States is now Vietnam on a bad LSD trip."

After all, in Iraq, to put events in a bizarre nutshell, the squabbling government leadership just presented (kind of) on deadline a new "constitution" that has blank passages in it and then insisted on taking an extra three days, not allowed for in the present interim constitution, for further "debate." All this despite the intense pressure U.S. "super-ambassador" Zalmay Khalilzad put on the negotiators to make it on time to the deadline, another of the Bush administration's much needed "turning points." (Imagine, a representative of the French king half-running our constitutional convention!) At his Informed Comment blog, Juan Cole has already referred to this as a coup d'état, though the New York Times more politely terms it a "legal sleight of hand." ("The rule of law," writes Cole, "is no longer operating in Iraq, and no pretence of constitutional procedure is being striven for. In essence, the prime minister and president have made a sort of coup, simply disregarding the interim constitution. Given the acquiescence of parliament and the absence of a supreme court [which should have been appointed by now but was not, also unconstitutionally], there is no check or balance that could question the writ of the executive.")

More important yet, the politicians involved -- many of them exiles, some of them with few roots in Iraq, the Sunnis among them with limited roots in the insurgent Sunni community (and in any case largely cut out of the bargaining process between Kurdish and Shiite politicians) -- are fighting for a retrograde-sounding constitution (religiously based and without a significant emphasis on women's rights) inside Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone. It is a constitution aimed at creating an almost impossibly starved central government guaranteed to control little.

Meanwhile, outside the Green Zone, amid a brewing stewpot of internecine killing and incipient civil war, vast parts of the country have simply passed beyond Baghdad's rule, and significant parts of central Iraq seemingly beyond any rule at all. The Kurdish areas in the north have long been autonomous with their own armed militia. In the largely Sunni areas of central Iraq, chaos is the rule, but whole towns like Haditha are now "insurgent citadels," run, as Falluja was less than a year ago, as little retro-Islamic statelets. (Grim as this may be, such statelets can offer -- as Taliban-ruled Afghanistan did after two decades of civil war and chaos -- order of a harsh kind that ensures personal safety for most inhabitants. This is no small thing when conditions are desperate enough.) The Shiite south, on the other hand, has largely fallen under the control of Islamic parties and their armed militias, all allied to one degree or another with the neighboring Iranian fundamentalist regime. In the north and the south, security is increasingly in the hands of local parties, not the central government, or even the occupying forces.

Throw in a full-scale insurgency, constant interruptions in oil and electricity production (as well as production levels at or even below those of Saddam Hussein's weakest post-Gulf-War-I days), and high unemployment, and most Iraqis may not greatly care about, or even be affected by whatever "constitution" is produced inside the relative safety of the Green Zone.

With that in mind, imagine some of the hawks and neocons who first started us (and the Iraqis) off on this glorious Middle Eastern adventure of ours as being capable of seeing the situation in a clear-eyed way. If so, they might easily conclude that they were on a bad LSD trip out of the Vietnam era. After all, they have essentially created their own worst nightmare -- no small accomplishment when you think about it.

In the meantime, while Iraqi police, soldiers, judges, officials, and normal citizens continue to die in horrible ways, so do American soldiers in Iraq, in smaller but growing numbers (as in Afghanistan where a resurgent Taliban has clearly imported Iraqi tactical and IED expertise). Ominously, insurgent and terrorist tactics, including the recent missiling of two American warships docked at the port of Aqaba in Jordan, continue to spread.

Today, on the inside page of my hometown paper, under "names of the dead," are listed: "BOUCHARD, Nathan K., 24, Sgt., Army; Wildomar, Calif.; Third Infantry Division; DOYLE, Jeremy W., 24, Staff Sgt., Army; Chesterton, Md.; Third Infantry Division; FUHRMANN, Ray M. II, 28, Specialist, Army; Novato, Calif.; Third Infantry Division; SEAMANS, Timothy J., 20, Pfc., Army; Jacksonville, Fla.; Third Infantry Division."

Three or four American dead a day seems now close to the norm -- seldom enough to make the front-pages of any but the most local newspapers, yet enough evidently to penetrate the consciousness of growing numbers of Americans. The fact is -- and this can be put down, if not simply to Cindy Sheehan, then to the Sheehan moment we're living through -- a genuine conversation/debate has begun about being in Iraq, about the Bush administration lies that got us there, and about how in the world to get out. Most important, this surprisingly noisy and discordant discussion is taking place not, as in the last couple of years, in the shadows, or on the Internet, but right in plain sight: in our newspapers, on television, in the streets, in homes, even in the corridors of Congress.

One symbol of this change could be seen in the decision of Democratic Senator Russell Feingold to break "with his party leadership last week," as Peter Baker and Shailagh Murray of the Washington Post wrote, "to become the first senator to call for all troops to be withdrawn from Iraq by a specific deadline." On the other end of the political spectrum, Republicans like Senator Hagel and conservatives of many stripes are raising danger flags ever more often -– and in some cases calling directly for us to depart from Iraq. For instance, Andrew Bacevich, who served in Vietnam and is the author of the superb book The New American Militarism, wrote recently in the Washington Post:


"Rather than producing security, our continued massive military presence [in Iraq] has helped fuel continuing violence. Rather than producing liberal democracy, our meddling in Iraqi politics has exacerbated political dysfunction... Wisdom requires that the Bush administration call an end to its misbegotten crusade. While avoiding the appearance of an ignominious dash for the exits, but with all due speed, the United States needs to liquidate its presence in Iraq, placing the onus on Iraqis to decide their fate and creating the space for other regional powers to assist in brokering a political settlement."

Similarly, Donald Devine of the American Conservative Union Foundation, wrote, "The only solution is for the U.S. to exit before the whole thing comes apart."

On Monday, the President, roused from his rounds of vacation bicycling by a ton of bad news and ever worse polling figures, was flown into Salt Lake City to give a speech to the national convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars. Inside the convention hall, he was received by a friendly audience; while outside, in the streets of a red-state capital, demonstrators including Rocky Anderson, the Democratic mayor of Salt Lake City, gathered to hold the President's feet to the Iraqi fire. The last time a President was so dogged by demonstrators in otherwise friendly settings was certainly in the Vietnam era. ("We are here today," announced Anderson, "to let the world know that even in the reddest of red states, there is enormous concern about the dangerous, irresponsible and deceitful public policies being pursued by President Bush and his administration.") Note, by the way, another sign of the "chickenhawk" nature of this administration: The President not only won't attend funerals or meet with Cindy Sheehan again; he clearly doesn't dare venture into any area where he's likely to meet a challenging reception of any sort. It may, however, already be too late for him to find unchallenging safety anywhere in the United States.

In his stay-the-course VFW speech, you could feel that the President now found himself in a new and confusing situation. Step by step, he's slowly been backing up. This time -- contradicting the anti-Vietnam, no-attention-to-casualties playbook he has long been working off -- he specifically spoke the numbers of dead American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, something of a first for him. Though he never mentioned Cindy Sheehan's name, he might as well have. Its absence acted like a presence, all but ringing from the speech. Read it yourself and you can sense the degree to which he is now uncharacteristically on the defensive. Even to friendly crowds, he finds himself answering questions that, not so long ago, never would have come up. Wherever he is, he is now essentially responding to what is, in effect, an ongoing news conference with the nation in which challenging questions never stop being tossed his way.

All and all, in the last weeks, it's been like watching a nation blinking and slowly emerging from an all-enveloping state of denial. Such a state of mind, once pierced, will be hard indeed for this administration to recreate. In the meantime, the Vietnam template remains stuck in our collective heads. Even the images on the television news -- for instance, the showing of American GIs dragging off the bodies of American casualties under fire as the President calls on the public to stay the course -- have suddenly grown more Vietnam-like.

This is, of course, Vietnam as seen in an Alice-in-Wonderland, crazy-mirror version of itself. For instance, despite what many think, post-invasion opposition to the Iraq war has grown far more quickly than in the Vietnam era; and a mass antiwar movement is now being jump-started into visible existence by the families of soldiers in Iraq (and by small numbers of resisting soldiers too) rather than, as in the Vietnam era, ending on such a movement. Expect the antiwar demonstrations scheduled for Washington on September 24 to be enormous, to feature Cindy Sheehan, and to be led by military families.


Must mark Sept 24 on Calendar ......as events around Washington should be interesting that day.
 

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/25/troops.iraq/index.html

1500 US troops (new) heading for Iraq.


(part of the bush :"stay the course" mantra??? He has dug his heels in and ain't gonna budge ......or consider alternatives. Iraq is bush's prize.......and he aims to keep it. ----- one way or another ) He seems determined (in a very narrow minded way) to make this Iraq invasion/war......the " signature "for his presidency.

interesting dynamics....
 

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Bush calls for US resolve on Iraq

US President George W Bush has called on Americans to be patient with the situation in Iraq and warned that there will be further sacrifice ahead. (well no shit)

"Our efforts in Iraq and the broader Middle East will require more time, more sacrifice and continued resolve," he said in his weekly radio address.

So what does Broader Middle East mean? To me it means Iran and Syria are next on the list.
 

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no1important said:
Bush calls for US resolve on Iraq

US President George W Bush has called on Americans to be patient with the situation in Iraq and warned that there will be further sacrifice ahead. (well no shit)

"Our efforts in Iraq and the broader Middle East will require more time, more sacrifice and continued resolve," he said in his weekly radio address.

So what does Broader Middle East mean? To me it means Iran and Syria are next on the list.


No shit!! :wink:


cute how he implies that "sacrificing" for HIS invasion/mess is supposed to be a "good " thing. the guy is truly twisted... :twisted: But golly gee, you sure don't see any part of HIS family sacrificing THEIR lives for HIS wars. Hmmm.Wonder why. ( Could it be that "sacrificing" is not the great shakes the he would have one "believe"???) Adjectives fail........when they come to this bozo.
 

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In a bid to appease the Sunni Arabs, the U.S. military announced Saturday that nearly 1,000 security detainees have been released from Abu Ghraib prison in the past several days. Many have been languishing in jail for months without being charged.

Release me from CBC

Anyone know why you can't link to Reuters stories? It's twice now I can't. It keeps saying no such story.