US Invasion of Iraq-Updates

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A fiction as powerful as WMD

It is not withdrawal that threatens Iraq with civil war, but occupation

Sami Ramadani
Tuesday July 5, 2005
The Guardian

Most people in Britain want troops withdrawn from Iraq - and so do most Iraqis, according to opinion polls. Trade unions are calling for early withdrawal, as are some Labour MPs and the Liberal Democrats. But many well-intentioned people argue that the US-led occupation must end only when the country is stable. A swift withdrawal, they fear, would plunge the country into civil war.
In one sense this position is the same as that of Bush and Blair, who consistently say troops will not stay in Iraq "a moment longer than necessary" and will withdraw when asked to do so by a democratically chosen government. In reality, with over 200,000 foreign troops and auxiliaries in control of Iraq, even an elected government will owe its survival to the occupation.

It was a reflection of Iraqi popular hatred of the occupation that 82 of the national assembly's 275 members signed a petition calling for a speedy withdrawal, after the prime minister, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, appeared to be breaking his election promise to insist on a scheduled pullout. Jaafari went on to renege in the most humiliating fashion, standing next to George Bush at the White House as the US president declared: "I told the prime minister that there will be no scheduled withdrawal."

It would be wrong to dismiss the fears of those who argue for "withdrawal but not now" just because it is also the position of Bush and Blair. But those who are genuinely concerned about withdrawal should examine the facts on the ground before giving support to continued occupation.

Some pro-war commentators warned early on that the country would be blighted by sectarian violence: oppressed Shias would take revenge on Sunnis; Kurds would avenge Saddam's rule by killing Arabs; and the Christian community would be liquidated.

What actually happened confounded such expectations. Within two weeks of the fall of Baghdad, millions converged on Karbala chanting "La Amreeka, la Saddam" (No to America, no to Saddam). For months, Baghdad, Basra and Najaf were awash with united anti-occupation marches whose main slogan was "La Sunna, la Shia; hatha al-watan menbi'a" (no Sunni, no Shia, this homeland we shall not sell).

Such responses were predictable given Iraq's history of anti-sectarianism. But the war leaders reacted by destroying the foundations of the state and following the old colonial policy of divide and rule, imposing a sectarian model on every institution they set up, including arrangements for the January election.

When it became clear that the poorest areas of Baghdad and the south were even more hostile to the occupation than the so-called Sunni towns - answering the Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr's call to arms - Bush and Blair tried to defeat the resistance piecemeal, under the guise of fighting foreign terrorists. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was promoted to replace Saddam as the bogeyman in chief, to encourage sectarian tension and isolate the resistance.

This propaganda has been more successful abroad than in Iraq. Indeed, Iraqis habitually blame the occupation for all acts of terrorism, not what is fondly referred to as al-muqawama al-sharifa (the honourable resistance). But in Britain and the US many people feel ambivalent or antagonistic towards the mainstream popular resistance.

The occupation's sectarian discourse has acquired a hold as powerful as the WMD fiction that prepared the public for war. Iraqis are portrayed as a people who can't wait to kill each other once left to their own devices. In fact, the occupation is the main architect of institutionalised sectarian and ethnic divisions; its removal would act as a catalyst for Iraqis to resolve some of their differences politically. Only a few days ago the national assembly members who had signed the anti-occupation statement met representatives of the Foundation Congress (a group of 60 religious and secular organisations) and the al-Sadr movement and issued a joint call for the rapid withdrawal of the occupation forces according to an internationally guaranteed timetable.

There is now broad agreement in Iraq to build a non-sectarian, democratic Iraq that guarantees Kurdish national rights. The occupation is making the achievement of these goals more difficult.

Every day the occupation increases tension and makes people's lives worse, fuelling the violence. Creating a client regime in Baghdad, backed by permanent bases, is the route that US strategists followed in Vietnam. As in Vietnam, popular resistance in Iraq and the wider Middle East will not go away but will grow stronger, until it eventually unites to force a US-British withdrawal.

How many more Iraqis, Americans and Britons have to die before Bush and Blair admit the occupation is the problem and not part of any democratic solution in Iraq?


pathetic is the USG propaganda machine.....as it puts a US style twist on this....which again is a far cry from truth and reality. More pathetic is the fact that so many buy into the propaganda....like the unthinking sheep they appear to be. (as if the gospel of george is the devine "truth". )
 

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BAGHDAD (AFP) - Bahrain's top diplomat in Iraq was wounded in an ambush and the Pakistani ambassador narrowly escaped assassination, as insurgents targeted Muslim envoys in an apparently new tactic.

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Three days after the abduction of Egypt's top envoy, the Iraqi government spokesman said the attacks were a "a message of terror" to dissuade governments from expanding ties with the country.

Pakistan said it was moving its ambassador, Younis Khan, to Amman.

The attack on Khan happened as two cars came up from behind and fired on his vehicle as he was around a kilometre (half a mile) from his residence in the capital's central Mansur district.

"I am safe, but it was a very narrow escape," Khan told AFP. "We sped out of danger but it was an extremely dangerous situation."

Khan said one of the attackers was hit in an ensuing gunfight with his guards.

Also in Mansur, gunmen in a pickup truck earlier shot Hassan al-Ansari, the Bahraini charge d'affaires, while he was travelling in his car with diplomatic license plates, an interior ministry source said.

Ansari was treated at Yarmuk hospital before leaving with guards.

Witnesses said he was ambushed by at least eight gunmen after leaving home.

"Two men got out of their cars and screamed at him 'get out of your car' and at me 'get back inside'," a butcher said.

Instead, the diplomat kept going, and two of the men shot at him with an assault rifle and pistol, he said.

Ansari's car slowed down, but when the men ran after him he accelerated and managed to get away.

Two hundred meters further on, Ansari stopped near a policeman and cried out: "I am a diplomat, help me!".

The policeman said "he was bleeding a lot. His suit, case and car were covered with blood. A short time later, a police patrol passed by and took him to the hospital."

Neither the rich Gulf kingdom of Bahrain nor Pakistan have contributed troops to the US-led coalition in Iraq to make them obvious targets of insurgents, though Bahrain is home to a large US naval base.

Arab League chief Amr Mussa said "security threats to Arab diplomats in Baghdad -- whether it be by way kidnapping as happened to the Egyptian diplomat or by targeting the Bahraini envoy -- only serve the interests of those trying to sever links between the Arab world and Iraq."

He called on the abductors of Ihab al-Sharif to release him.

Al-Arabiya television later reported that the group of Al-Qaeda's frontman in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, claimed Sharif's abduction but made no demands.

For his part, UN Secretary General Kofi Annan sharply condemned attacks on diplomats in Iraq.

In a statement released by his office, he said he was "deeply dismayed" by the recent rash of attacks, which he "vehemently condemns."

"There can be no justification for the targeting of diplomats. As with earlier attacks against the United Nations and other international actors in Iraq, the secretary general hopes these latest attacks will not weaken the resolve of the international community to stand with the Iraqi people at this critical juncture in their history," Annan's office said.

In August 2003, UN special representative for Iraq Sergio Vieira de Mello died in his office in Baghdad after a bomber detonated a deadly truck bomb outside the UN compound in the city. The bomb also claimed the lives of 21 other UN workers.

Sharif was set to become the first ambassador from an Arab nation to Iraq since the fall of Saddam Hussein and was the first head of mission to be abducted since Iraq's hostage crisis began more than 13 months ago.

The Iraqi government's spokesman said Sharif's security may have been compromised by contacts he may have had with political groups with ties to insurgents.

"The only advice we give is that if a diplomat from this mission or another wants to contact political groups that may be close to armed groups then the least he can do is tell the government which can bear some responsibility," Leith Kubba told reporters.

"We do not know the circumstances (surrounding Sharif's kidnapping) but this is one of the possibilities."

Kubba said the targeting of foreign diplomats is part of an effort by insurgents to discourage countries from dealing with the Iraqi government.

"It is a message of terror to other diplomatic missions not to expand their presence in Iraq," he said. "No doubt it is negative and we condemn it, but in the big scheme of things it will not affect our progress."

Insurgents briefly held another Egyptian diplomat in July 2004 and also kidnapped an Iranian envoy, but both were later released unharmed.

In further violence, 15 Iraqis were killed in various parts of the country, including four women employed at Baghdad airport when the minibus taking them to work was attacked in the western part of the capital, an interior ministry source said. Another three were wounded.

And a US soldier was killed and two others wounded by a homemade bomb in Diyala province, north of Baghdad, the army said.

Switzerland's foreign minister, meanwhile, summoned the US ambassador to explain the death in Baghdad of an Iraqi Kurd with Swiss nationality who was shot by an American soldier last week.


new tactics......
 

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Since then Dr Salaam has been travelling around the Middle East exposing the brutal realities of the US occupation. He returned to Fallujah last month.

On the borders of Fallujah I found 5,000 people who were living on water drawn directly from the river.

Dr Shamael Ishawi is from the health clinic in this area. He told me that the unclean river water is leading to the spread of typhoid.

Inside the city the hospital which I had spent some time in earlier this year is in ruins. Refugees have returned to the city, but they are living in appalling conditions.

There is no evidence whatsoever of the reconstruction effort that the Iraqi government and the US claim is underway.

Residents have to pass through five checkpoints to get into the city. The Iraqi troops on the checkpoints humiliate the people, calling them “sons of bitches, sons of dogs”. They and their cars are searched. There can be no question of “foreign fighters” operating inside Fallujah.

But still you can hear occasional gunfire. There are acts of resistance by ordinary residents who remain deeply opposed to the occupation.

It’s not surprising when you consider that the water in the city itself is not clean. A doctor told me there was severe dysentery because there was no clean water.

I have a list from doctors in the city saying what they need. They have no anaesthetics or antibiotics. It is hell.

We went to the cemetery and there was a freshly dug trench. I asked one of my friends why it was there. He said it was because they expected another assault on the city and “we have to be ready” to bury bodies.

It’s also clear that the US army and their Iraqi puppets are repeating the kind of assault they launched on Fallujah on other cities.

I was part of a team trying to bring medical aid to people in western Iraq. We tried to get to a place called Ramana on the border of the city of al?Qaim on 6 June.

But the Americans blockaded the road and refused to let people enter. When we told them we were doctors, they still refused—and they took the tapes from the cameras we were using to film.

So we decided at least to stay in the clinic near Ramana. We stayed to help the clinic. We saw the families leaving the city as refugees. We saw about 300 families leaving to try and find a place to stay. They ended up having to stay in the desert.

By coincidence I saw one of my friends who had been working in the hospital. He went out through the desert to try and get some help for the clinic. We had a chat with him.

What he described was like what happened in Fallujah — it was a disaster. People were being prevented from going into the hospital.

All the time the US and Iraqi forces were sending troops into the hospital, saying they were looking for insurgents. Anyone who was young and had been shot was taken directly from inside the hospital.

After that they started bombing by aircraft all the houses on the border of al-Qaim.

They continued to prevent anyone going inside the city to help injured people. Because of that there were many people left trapped under collapsed buildings — mainly women and children. I have just received a phone call saying there are still bodies trapped under the rubble.

After that we entered Ramana and saw a grave of 13 members of one family who had been killed in one air attack. They were all in one grave. On the sign next to it it said the youngest of them was two years old.

They are attacking and seizing any young person. The west of Iraq is in medical and humanitarian crisis. I am passing on the desperate appeal from doctors in the area for immediate medical assistance.


aren't the Iraqi troops trained by the US???? Seems they learned well. :twisted:
 

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Is all you left wing anti-imperalist can do is make long drawn out quotes from other people.
I appreciate all the vast knowlegeable information you all have, however I read all this communist literature before, IT WILL NOT WORK.
(The bottom line is, The Time has come for the Middle East to rise out of the Dark Ages, Peace will only come through freedom and prosperity and freedom and prosperity will only come through American Emperlism!)
My own WORDS, Not a quote
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Travis said:
Is all you left wing anti-imperalist can do is make long drawn out quotes from other people.
I appreciate all the vast knowlegeable information you all have, however I read all this communist literature before, IT WILL NOT WORK.
(The bottom line is, The Time has come for the Middle East to rise out of the Dark Ages, Peace will only come through freedom and prosperity and freedom and prosperity will only come through American Emperlism!)
My own WORDS, Not a quote
Travis
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incredible!! that kind of premise is a danger to society. and the world at large. Sounds like you work for the bushconartists. they spew the same propaganda... For the record: there are many of us who consider bush and his cons to be criminally insane. The symptoms are there for anyone to see with the slightest psych 101 background. Most of us would not trust his "imperialistic" conduct or him to mow our lawns...

Seems you is giving Alberta a very bad image/name.
 

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Thankyou Ocean for your message back, I appreciate you honesty and straighforwardness. You sound very insightful
Will I don't have to give a Alberta a bad image the left in this country does that job really well. I'am just one person, but one of many that believes that hope and peace can only come through freedom of sef-determination, good government and justice. The Iraq's The Middle East deserves this like everyone else in the world, and to deny this would be a travisty. Let's give at least the Iraq's a chance, the terriost (insurgents) have been sadly brainwashed by muslim extremism who want their own brand of a Muslim Society, (many sects fighting for their diemGod). We need to work closely muslims and there faith and their people to work for mutual understandings which will unite not divide people but at the same time encourge respect for difference iin faith and work together for cooperation. And this is what I mean by American Imperalism (This is the high goal of the American way of life), this will take alot of time and sacrifice but will worth the effort.
Travis
 

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Travis said:
Thankyou Ocean for your message back, I appreciate you honesty and straighforwardness. You sound very insightful
Will I don't have to give a Alberta a bad image the left in this country does that job really well. I'am just one person, but one of many that believes that hope and peace can only come through freedom of sef-determination, good government and justice. The Iraq's The Middle East deserves this like everyone else in the world, and to deny this would be a travisty. Let's give at least the Iraq's a chance, the terriost (insurgents) have been sadly brainwashed by muslim extremism who want their own brand of a Muslim Society, (many sects fighting for their diemGod). We need to work closely muslims and there faith and their people to work for mutual understandings which will unite not divide people but at the same time encourge respect for difference iin faith and work together for cooperation. And this is what I mean by American Imperalism (This is the high goal of the American way of life), this will take alot of time and sacrifice but will worth the effort.
Travis

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Let's give at least the Iraq's a chance, the terriost (insurgents) have been sadly brainwashed by muslim extremism who want their own brand of a Muslim Society, (many sects fighting for their diemGod).

Don't think there is anyone that does not wish the Iraqis well . It has to start with some stability in the country .....FIRST. and then they can progress on a path of THEIR choice. If they want a Muslim society........it is THEIR choice.. They have a long histroy of tradition/culture etc.......and it is arrogant to think that the west "knows what is good for them". Just as it would be rude for them to decide what is good for the west. Each nation has its own uniqueness and it is this that must be treasured and respected. One shoe does not fit all and nor should it.

re: brainwashed........ don't think this is the case.......as one could say that the US has been brainwashed to believe that their way is the ONLY "right " way. NOT the case. The idea is to have mutual respect for all cultures and history. One cannot /should not impose their values, culture on another .......be it a person or nation. One must learn to respect each for what it is. or at least UNDERSTAND it. and accept it.
 

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mr.mom. A very appropriate pic./graphic.

The worst thing a leader can do is say something stupid like "bring them on". Did he (bush the idiot) not expect "them" to take him up on his challenge. ??

His cowboy machismo........belongs on his ranch...... along with him : so he can no longer be a danger to the world at large. Amazing that the USers would pick such a goon for a leader. But given the total lack of ethics and integrety in their system now.......not sure they had much choice.

One dreads to think what another 3 and a half years will bring. 8O

but it is safe to say.......that one must be prepared for just about anything.......
 

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You mean his fake cowboy persona :p He's a blue blood from Maine he has ZERO cowboy in him that been Roves sale job all along it's really quite sad the US public doesn't know that they all think he's a rancher even though he doesn't even ride or own horses :wink:
 

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mrmom2 said:
You mean his fake cowboy persona :p He's a blue blood from Maine he has ZERO cowboy in him that been Roves sale job all along it's really quite sad the US public doesn't know that they all think he's a rancher even though he doesn't even ride or own horses :wink:


indeed. It is the "cowboy act" he aquired since living on his "ranch".......where he has trouble riding his bike.------let alone a horse. :wink:

Makes one want to ask: can he chew pretzals and ride his bike at the same time??? :wink: ( THAT would be asking for a catastrophe :wink: He probably don't go out without a full medical emergency team around :wink:
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
mrmom2 said:
You mean his fake cowboy persona :p He's a blue blood from Maine he has ZERO cowboy in him that been Roves sale job all along it's really quite sad the US public doesn't know that they all think he's a rancher even though he doesn't even ride or own horses :wink:


indeed. It is the "cowboy act" he aquired since living on his "ranch".......where he has trouble riding his bike.------let alone a horse. :wink:

Makes one want to ask: can he chew pretzals and ride his bike at the same time??? :wink: ( THAT would be asking for a catastrophe :wink: He probably don't go out without a full medical emergency team around :wink:

If there is one thing I like the French for is sending Bush a box of Pretzels, too bad he never bothered eating them.
 

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If there is one thing I like the French for is sending Bush a box of Pretzels, too bad he never bothered eating them.

is this for real??? never heard that tidbit . Hmm. Was this after the Pretzel "incident"??
 

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If there is one thing I like the French for is sending Bush a box of Pretzels, too bad he never bothered eating them.

is this for real??? never heard that tidbit . Hmm. Was this after the Pretzel "incident"??

This was when the heat was on during the UN thingy. I forget which group in France sent a box of pretzels to Bush. :lol:

French site to send Bush peace pretzels
 

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Ocean Breeze said:
If there is one thing I like the French for is sending Bush a box of Pretzels, too bad he never bothered eating them.

is this for real??? never heard that tidbit . Hmm. Was this after the Pretzel "incident"??

This was when the heat was on during the UN thingy. I forget which group in France sent a box of pretzels to Bush. :lol:

French site to send Bush peace pretzels
:lol: :lol: :lol:


amazing that bush did not interpret this as an assassination attempt. What a hoot.. Pretzals for Peace. Another bumper sticker in the making. :wink: