US dollar value now sinking more than acceptable

darkbeaver

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There are two reasons why you pay more at the pump than in the U.S.

The first reason are taxes, your being taxed at the pump at a much higher rate than we are.

And the second reason is distribution. The U.S. has a vast netowork of pipelines spanning across the country. And I am not referring to the crude oil, natural gas and refined product trunk lines, I'm talking about the smaller sizes, which takes the refined oil virtually to almost every state, except two in the NorthEast.

Your dollar becoming par with the US dollar has little to do with anything.

EDIT: Or you can listen to DB's nonsensical rants.

I'm perilously close to issueing you a bad rep point. My nonsensicle stuff is superior to your best efforts, in fact I release postdigestive gas more intelligent than you, and handsomer as well.
 

I think not

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I'm perilously close to issueing you a bad rep point. My nonsensicle stuff is superior to your best efforts, in fact I release postdigestive gas more intelligent than you, and handsomer as well.

Who cares what you do or write DB, you've become a joke around here, use your full cognitive functions for a change, or maybe you already are.
 

Zzarchov

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What unadulterated bull****!

I didn't choose to send our troops to Afghanistan. I didn't choose to give Robert Latimer parole. I didn't choose to bomb Iraq. I didn't choose to fly planes into the World Trade Center...etc. etc. etc.

But I and everyone else will pay for the decisions that so many others make that the matter of choice beomes myth.

I suppose you might say that it's a matter of "available options" as opposed to "choice"...

You decided to put the Zionists in Palestine....You decided to drop an atomic device on Japan, You decided to cultivate fear and prejudice across the world....

Great choices!


Can you honestly say you even tried to make any real changes to stop those things? I didn't oppose sending troops to Afghanistan, I didn't stand for election or even write a letter to an MP. Nor did I make any concrete actions in any of those matters.

But I did choose many things in life to be where I am. I made choices and took the sacrifices with them.
 

darkbeaver

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Can you honestly say you even tried to make any real changes to stop those things? I didn't oppose sending troops to Afghanistan, I didn't stand for election or even write a letter to an MP. Nor did I make any concrete actions in any of those matters.

But I did choose many things in life to be where I am. I made choices and took the sacrifices with them.

Zzarchov, I think you're overlooking the difference between choice and circumstance, being steered by the later is not quite the same as free choice which does not in fact exist. The over and incorrect use of the word "choice" is part and parcel of the new age "junk thought" offered by the "positive thought junkies" who clog the consumer culture sewage drains.
 

MikeyDB

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Perspective

We don’t live with the consequences of the choices we make, we live with the consequences of choices that other’s make and have made…

“Given the potential for US$2.5 billion in insured losses for wildfires in California alone, last year's wildfire season ranks as one of the costliest wildfire seasons in recent history, according to a joint report by Risk Management Solutions (RMS) and ImageCat, Inc.
RMS' analysis shows that in the past 10 years of Californian wildfire history, close to 1,350 structures have been burned on average each year. The estimated annual insured loss of about US$490 million is nearly twice that of the long-term average.
Moreover, while on average less than 10% of the burnt areas in the United States are in California, around 70% of the total insured losses are from properties in Southern California, an RMS release says.
"Housing developments are rapidly expanding into wildland areas, [creating] an environment in which fire can readily move between structural and vegetation fuels, increasing the threat to people and their properties," said Patricia Grossi, a senior researcher at RMS.
"Last year's California wildfires serve as a stark reminder of the need to manage and mitigate this peril through more risk-informed decisions."
Twenty-three separate fires in October 2007 consumed approximately 520,000 hectares of land in Southern California.
Insured losses were primarily due to burnt residential structures and their contents. Other claims included smoke damage, additional living expenses due to the mandatory evacuation, burned automobiles and a limited number of damaged or destroyed commercial structures.”


People choose to live where the risk of fire/tornado and flood is high and we ought not be surprised when tragedy develops. Whether we’re surprised or not, we all pay for those choices.

The United States makes choices about which nation it will or won’t recognize, which nation it will establish economic embargoes against and which nation it will use the CIA and whatever other means at it’s disposal to work to create “regime change”. And when refugees and terrorism emerge out of oppressive dicatorships backed by the United States, we will all live with the consequences of those choices….like it or not.

We have all (the world) lived with the Palestinian/Israeli conflict because choices were made that created that situation. We have all (the world) learned to live under threat of “terrorism” because the dynamics of terrorism were fed by the appetites of nations whose populations were conditioned to execessive consumption and objectification of morality with status and self-interest elevated as an entitled “right” of the individual… to the highest social ideal.

We continue to spend billions upon billions to feed our appetites and those billions go to monarchies and regimes that disenfranchise men women and children from Riyadh to Beijing to Dhaka, while the greater numbers of Chinese and Saudis and Bangladesh people suffer and die in poverty.

Our opinions, our ideas and our passions are pushed and pulled and manipulated like putty by pressures from the elitists from scorn and ridicule by the activists, and frequently our passions get the better of us.

ITN declares MikeyDB as “phucked” because the notion of the appropriateness of fires burning in California is offensive to his sensibilities…a sensibility that chooses to ignore the facts….

Darkbeaver is dismissed as a zealot and his criticisms relegated to the never-never land of political correctness…

We are all paying for and living with the consequences of choices made for us by people like ITN and others who don’t really care about the truth or the larger forces at work, only about their exclusive entitlement to their dreams and their perspectives.

Criticism of Israel and “Americanism” isn’t worthy of comment or acknowledgement according to many here at CC and that serves the interests of whom exactly?

You will “pick a side” or “make a choice” because you are compelled to.


 

I think not

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We are all paying for and living with the consequences of choices made for us by people like ITN and others who don’t really care about the truth or the larger forces at work, only about their exclusive entitlement to their dreams and their perspectives

Ya know, I'm flattered you always pick lil ol' me as an example.

:cool:
 

darkbeaver

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Perspective

We don’t live with the consequences of the choices we make, we live with the consequences of choices that other’s make and have made…

“Given the potential for US$2.5 billion in insured losses for wildfires in California alone, last year's wildfire season ranks as one of the costliest wildfire seasons in recent history, according to a joint report by Risk Management Solutions (RMS) and ImageCat, Inc.
RMS' analysis shows that in the past 10 years of Californian wildfire history, close to 1,350 structures have been burned on average each year. The estimated annual insured loss of about US$490 million is nearly twice that of the long-term average.
Moreover, while on average less than 10% of the burnt areas in the United States are in California, around 70% of the total insured losses are from properties in Southern California, an RMS release says.
"Housing developments are rapidly expanding into wildland areas, [creating] an environment in which fire can readily move between structural and vegetation fuels, increasing the threat to people and their properties," said Patricia Grossi, a senior researcher at RMS.
"Last year's California wildfires serve as a stark reminder of the need to manage and mitigate this peril through more risk-informed decisions."
Twenty-three separate fires in October 2007 consumed approximately 520,000 hectares of land in Southern California.
Insured losses were primarily due to burnt residential structures and their contents. Other claims included smoke damage, additional living expenses due to the mandatory evacuation, burned automobiles and a limited number of damaged or destroyed commercial structures.”


People choose to live where the risk of fire/tornado and flood is high and we ought not be surprised when tragedy develops. Whether we’re surprised or not, we all pay for those choices.

The United States makes choices about which nation it will or won’t recognize, which nation it will establish economic embargoes against and which nation it will use the CIA and whatever other means at it’s disposal to work to create “regime change”. And when refugees and terrorism emerge out of oppressive dicatorships backed by the United States, we will all live with the consequences of those choices….like it or not.

We have all (the world) lived with the Palestinian/Israeli conflict because choices were made that created that situation. We have all (the world) learned to live under threat of “terrorism” because the dynamics of terrorism were fed by the appetites of nations whose populations were conditioned to execessive consumption and objectification of morality with status and self-interest elevated as an entitled “right” of the individual… to the highest social ideal.

We continue to spend billions upon billions to feed our appetites and those billions go to monarchies and regimes that disenfranchise men women and children from Riyadh to Beijing to Dhaka, while the greater numbers of Chinese and Saudis and Bangladesh people suffer and die in poverty.

Our opinions, our ideas and our passions are pushed and pulled and manipulated like putty by pressures from the elitists from scorn and ridicule by the activists, and frequently our passions get the better of us.

ITN declares MikeyDB as “phucked” because the notion of the appropriateness of fires burning in California is offensive to his sensibilities…a sensibility that chooses to ignore the facts….

Darkbeaver is dismissed as a zealot and his criticisms relegated to the never-never land of political correctness…

We are all paying for and living with the consequences of choices made for us by people like ITN and others who don’t really care about the truth or the larger forces at work, only about their exclusive entitlement to their dreams and their perspectives.

Criticism of Israel and “Americanism” isn’t worthy of comment or acknowledgement according to many here at CC and that serves the interests of whom exactly?

You will “pick a side” or “make a choice” because you are compelled to.

I am saddened by the words of my fellow crew members here at CC. Many of them lend unreserved support to power and wealth no matter the scale or depth of deprivation. I am want to consider the ethos of the system in which we live as having sunk low on the human horizon, but almost I complete that thought I begin to wonder if ever it was different. Perhaps not. Perhaps I'm only ageing to further awareness of the much discussed "eternal struggle" between good and evil. I have made my choice long ago to never get on my knees for silver or gold and to never sell my word or deed to pricks, in that I see success if in nothing else.
Maybe it's not the destination but the journey afterall.
 

Albertabound

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I don't know. I usually just order it then tell the waiter to take it back because its not up to my standards.

Whatever......and then they told you "Look Mr. for the last time. This is an Arby's drive through.....we don't have waiters".
 

Zzarchov

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Ya, Most world currencies (and all major ones) are Fiat money and have been for some time.

Technically everything is Fiat money, one of the absurditites of the gold standard was assuming gold had a constant value anymore so than money. Gold isn't truly that useful , most of its value is fiat as well.
 

Albertabound

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Yes all true, but I'm not sure the debt that is created to the country by printing this fiat money is not so well known by its people, in fact it's not known at all. Groceries come from the supermarket and money comes from the bank.
 

normbc9

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Now the dollar is really in the basement but fear not US economy. New war of the horizon. This time in South America so get those weapons machines serviced and ready for another run. Dubya was on TV tonight reassuring the President of Columbia that the US stands with them in this time of peril. I'm sure Dubya already has the signatures needed to make sure Columbia doesn't order anything but US produced and approved weapons and support items. Venezuela will get a chance to see if the new AK-47 assembly plant can meet the needs for Hugo's army. And then there is Ecuador who will no doubt have a weapons deal with the US also. So, maybe this sinking will stop for a while. Just think the GM and Ford war vehicles line will be working gain too. Lets hope Dubya doesn't send these jobs off shore like he has so many others with his NAFTA and CAFTA agreements.