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U.S. not winning in Iraq
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I should not have insulted you and I thank you for pointing this out. I sincerely apologize.
I never understood why countries would have nuclear wepons if they insist on fighting traditional style....they know a few swift nuclear strikes and it'd all be over.
well...........you live by the sword, I'd do it now before they have nukes....besides, it's all about self-preservation, the other arabic countries know that if they sent one twoards the western world they'd pretty much be obliterated.
I think they have nukes, the saudis have been proven to be the pipeline for much of the terrorists fund raising efforts, it is a frightening thought, and reminds me of a book we had to read in highschool that l had nightmares for weeks about... On the Beach...then there is the oil, and when north Korea did the test south korea suffered radiation...l guess being downwind...yikes l can't go down this speculative path, too scarey for me...wimp out!!!
```The purpose of the Iraq war was to make rich people richer.```
Precisely what was stated by conservative Republican Kevin Phillips in his book American Theocracy:
For several years now those who have stated this have been described as "Bush haters", "leftists", and accused of being unpatriotic. A few conservatives have said the same thing but these claims have been sidestepped by the pro war critics. Today, the vast majority of Americans are finally awakening to the truth: the war has done nothing to stop the menace of terrorism; it has, in fact, increased that menace; conditions in Iraq are getting worse than ever; but the war profits continually increase while the war profiteers have not been compelled to pay taxes for those profits.
Bottom line is that Bush is not winning his war. But then, a military victory never was the war's true intention -- war profits is and remains the true goal. Conservative Phlilips knows this is true and has said it in his book.
Precisely what was stated by conservative Republican Kevin Phillips in his book American Theocracy:
For several years now those who have stated this have been described as "Bush haters", "leftists", and accused of being unpatriotic. A few conservatives have said the same thing but these claims have been sidestepped by the pro war critics. Today, the vast majority of Americans are finally awakening to the truth: the war has done nothing to stop the menace of terrorism; it has, in fact, increased that menace; conditions in Iraq are getting worse than ever; but the war profits continually increase while the war profiteers have not been compelled to pay taxes for those profits.
Bottom line is that Bush is not winning his war. But then, a military victory never was the war's true intention -- war profits is and remains the true goal. Conservative Phlilips knows this is true and has said it in his book.
```the saudis have been proven to be the pipeline for much of the terrorists fund raising efforts```
When the liberal website truthout.org reported that the right wingers went absolutely crazy with rage because they felt that Saudi Arabia is a true ally and friend to Bush.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303A.shtml
But other sources have acknowledged this truth:
http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp504.htm
When the war started the pro war crowd said Iraq had to be invaded and Saddam toppled because he supposedly gave money to those Palestinians who died in combat against Israel. Yet, those same critics said nothing about invading Saudi Arabia or Qatar even though those governments gave more money to the Red Crescent and other groups that gave financial aid to Palestinians.
There was some discussion this evening on Countdown With Keith Olbermann on MSNBC re how right wingers today are finally acknowledging that the war on Iraq has served to distract from the war on terrorism. This, he said, is something that anti war libs have been saying since March, 2003. It's too bad that so many right wingers have taken this long to awaken to the truth. But, as we Yanks say, better late than never.
When the liberal website truthout.org reported that the right wingers went absolutely crazy with rage because they felt that Saudi Arabia is a true ally and friend to Bush.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303A.shtml
But other sources have acknowledged this truth:
http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp504.htm
When the war started the pro war crowd said Iraq had to be invaded and Saddam toppled because he supposedly gave money to those Palestinians who died in combat against Israel. Yet, those same critics said nothing about invading Saudi Arabia or Qatar even though those governments gave more money to the Red Crescent and other groups that gave financial aid to Palestinians.
There was some discussion this evening on Countdown With Keith Olbermann on MSNBC re how right wingers today are finally acknowledging that the war on Iraq has served to distract from the war on terrorism. This, he said, is something that anti war libs have been saying since March, 2003. It's too bad that so many right wingers have taken this long to awaken to the truth. But, as we Yanks say, better late than never.
Yep I've noticed that no one wants discuss the China connection, I repeatedly see the US raked over the coals for Irag but look at what China is doing in Dafar. Thousands being slaughtered because China has a pact with Government of Sudan, it's all about the oil for China. It funds extremists hell bend on killing Africans beit Christian or Moderate Muslims. So it's okay for China, who I regard as the biggest threat to the west's Freedom now that they are allies of Extreme Islam, to do exactly what the US is doing actually China is worse at least the US allowed a free election chances of that happening by terrorist run governments funded by China are zilch to zero. Those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
oh, my apologies Sassylassie, you are becoming a visionary, because the Chinese are a huge threat. They have the capacity and the hatred to give Nukes to the Terrorists. History has a way of repeating itself, and as the free world is distracted with all the Middle-East Conflict, the Chinese are busy building up a military strength that is already a force to be reckoned with. Just look at how ruthlessly violent and cruel they were regarding the freedom of sppech situations. They have forced Yahoo or Google, l can't recall which giant, to give out personal information to expose those who have the courage to voice an opinion that might be a todds with the government. Speaking out can get you killed, you are simply picked up in china, and no one hears of you ever again. They are a growing sinister threat and the world needs to be aware....
So Kreskin I'm wrong how? Do you read world News daily? I do and frankly China is worse than the US will ever be, but do the Liberals care no they'd rather Canadians lie down like dogs and take the abuse heaped upon us from Immigrants but no thanks this is my country to and I won't go quietly like the Liberals want me to. I use to admire this party but it's gotten so Socialist (like France that when the hell is unleashed the Socialist/Liberal would rather strap a burka on me and tell me to shut up or else I'll offend. I hope so.)
The US has already lost the war in Irag, not because China didn't get there first but because they are bending to the will of the appeasers like England, Germany, and France. I plan my workout to fit into my daily activities why can't this whining little piece of tripe? Because she couldn't garner public attention if she didn't stage yet another event to further the cause of "Islam" for heavens sake it's a religion not a "Special person" she could of prayed in front of her own locker but NO that wouldn't get the bleeding heart Liberals sobbing for her would it. I'm sick of this pandering.
Article:
By Janet Levy
FrontPageMagazine.com | December 7, 2006
A Muslim woman in Dearborn, Mich., lodged a complaint Tuesday against Fitness USA for an alleged civil rights violation involving a fellow gym patron. According to Jodi Berry, executive director of Fitness USA, Wardeh Sultan was praying in front of another member’s locker when the member wanted access to her belongings inside the locker. The inconvenienced patron tried to interrupt Ms. Sultan, but she remained prostrate in front of the locker and an altercation ensued. A manager was called into the locker room to intervene.
Ms. Sultan later complained that the Fitness USA management was unconcerned about the humiliation she suffered when her prayers were interrupted. She stated that the gym personnel were insensitive, rejected her complaints and did not satisfactorily intervene on her behalf. Ms. Sultan further reported that the manager told her, “You have to respect her (the other patron), but she does not have to respect your god.”
The incident is yet another example of special treatment Muslims are increasingly demanding nationwide. Last April, at the Lincoln Park, Mich. Fitness USA location, 200 Muslim women signed a petition demanding separate workout times for men and women, or, at minimum, installation of a divider between the men’s and women’s gym sections. A screen was eventually erected to obstruct the view of the women’s facilities. Another Fitness USA facility recently revised a dress code to allow Muslim women to wear more modest dress while exercising. </SPAN>
Other examples abound. Last week, six imams demonstrated against U.S. Airways for alleged discrimination against Muslims and their religious practices after they were detained and questioned because they had been praying in the Minneapolis airport, loudly invoking Allah’s name and uttering anti-American statements. Recently, Muslim cabdrivers refused to carry passengers possessing alcoholic beverages or accompanied by seeing-eye dogs. Last year, city public swimming pools in Seattle, responding to pressure from Muslims, instituted regularly scheduled hours for exclusive use by Muslims, including a “Muslim Sister Swim.” In June in a Chicago suburb, a Muslim girls basketball team, whose players compete wearing long, blue gowns and hijabs, requested that in competitions with non-Muslims schools, no men or boys be allowed to watch the games.
What is behind this rash of demands for tolerance and accompanying allegations of discrimination by Muslims? Could this be part of an agenda contrived to intimidate non-Muslims into enacting special concessions and privileges for Muslims that subtlety alter American society step by step? Is this the beginning of a militant movement or a cultural jihad toward incremental demands with the ultimate goal of Islamicizing the U.S. and imposing Sharia law?
At the same time, Muslims are alleging with greater frequency and vitriol that a growing intolerance of Islam exists and that the rights of Muslims to speak and worship freely are under attack by Americans. Muslim leaders such as Salam Al-Marayati, executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, insist that Muslims have a right to petition for special accommodation based on their religious beliefs as mandated by the First Amendment. In truth, no requirement exists, either in state or federal statutes, requiring that such petitions be addressed or behavior adjusted accordingly. Further, the locations in question are publicly owned businesses providing services to the general public under behavioral and societal norms accepted by the majority of Americans. These are not private clubs exclusive to Muslim patrons and nothing prevents Muslims from creating their own private clubs to accommodate their needs. If a religion prohibits males and females from swimming together, its practitioners shouldn’t swim in public pools. If devout Muslim girls must play basketball in burkas away from the gaze of boys and men, competitions may be arranged exclusively with Muslims schools.
In the case of gym patrons, how far will the requests go before non-Muslim women are subservient to the whims and demands of Muslims? If a Muslim woman decides to spontaneously pray between the bench press and the treadmill are non-Muslims expected to alter their circuit in order not to disturb her? What if Muslims decide that they are uncomfortable with the immodest attire of non-Muslims exercising around them? Will they eventually demand that all gym participants dress according to a standard that they establish as appropriate? Once a Muslim-approved standard of dress is observed in the gym, would it be extended to cover shopping malls, post offices, other community locations and eventually an entire region?
As for praying in public places, such as fitness centers and airport terminals, to what extent should this be accommodated by American society? Do Muslims really believe that a gym locker room is a desirable and appropriate place for prayer? Can’t they schedule their day to attend the gym between calls to prayer or pray silently or in their cars? Most airports have non-denominational chapels for all religions. Aren’t these spaces more appropriate for vocal and physical attitudes of prayer than a busy terminal filled with passengers? In a post 9-11 world, it is unrealistic to expect that loud proclamations of Islamic faithfulness mixed with condemnations of U.S. policy will not raise suspicion and cause alarm. The tragedy of 9-11 has forever changed the air travel experience and certain behaviors are already constrained in the interest of American security. Is vocal and extreme religious behavior exempt?
Countless others have immigrated to the United States without demanding that we change our society to meet their religious requirements. It’s unfathomable that an orthodox Jewish taxi driver would deny passage to a person eating a ham sandwich or a Jehovah’s Witness would deny service to a passenger carrying a bottle of wine. We have already re-engineered assembly lines (Tyson Foods and Dell Computer) and overturned a city noise ordinance to allow for Muslim calls to prayer. Squiggle graphics on Burger King ice cream cones were discontinued as they allegedly resembled the Arabic spelling of Allah. Under threat of a lawsuit, Nike recalled a sneaker with a heel design that was also similar to the Arabic configuration for Allah and built three playgrounds in U.S. Islamic communities designated by the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
Where will this intimidation and shakedown of Americans and American institutions end? Will racism and bigotry accusations shame us into capitulating and abandoning our vigilance and security precautions? Will we be lured into curtailing our surveillance procedures, weakening the Patriot Act and enacting religious intolerance legislation focusing on Muslims? Muslim charges of victimization and discrimination have already paved the way for a variety of special treatment and dispensations. How many changes must we see on the American landscape and how far must Americans be pushed for concessions before we collectively say, “Enough?”
I'm not an American but I've had enough of this foolishness, don't like our country and our culture don't let the door hit you on the ass while you head back to the Mother Land that they are trying to recreate. I'm sick of this ****.
The US has already lost the war in Irag, not because China didn't get there first but because they are bending to the will of the appeasers like England, Germany, and France. I plan my workout to fit into my daily activities why can't this whining little piece of tripe? Because she couldn't garner public attention if she didn't stage yet another event to further the cause of "Islam" for heavens sake it's a religion not a "Special person" she could of prayed in front of her own locker but NO that wouldn't get the bleeding heart Liberals sobbing for her would it. I'm sick of this pandering.
Article:
By Janet Levy
FrontPageMagazine.com | December 7, 2006
A Muslim woman in Dearborn, Mich., lodged a complaint Tuesday against Fitness USA for an alleged civil rights violation involving a fellow gym patron. According to Jodi Berry, executive director of Fitness USA, Wardeh Sultan was praying in front of another member’s locker when the member wanted access to her belongings inside the locker. The inconvenienced patron tried to interrupt Ms. Sultan, but she remained prostrate in front of the locker and an altercation ensued. A manager was called into the locker room to intervene.
Ms. Sultan later complained that the Fitness USA management was unconcerned about the humiliation she suffered when her prayers were interrupted. She stated that the gym personnel were insensitive, rejected her complaints and did not satisfactorily intervene on her behalf. Ms. Sultan further reported that the manager told her, “You have to respect her (the other patron), but she does not have to respect your god.”
The incident is yet another example of special treatment Muslims are increasingly demanding nationwide. Last April, at the Lincoln Park, Mich. Fitness USA location, 200 Muslim women signed a petition demanding separate workout times for men and women, or, at minimum, installation of a divider between the men’s and women’s gym sections. A screen was eventually erected to obstruct the view of the women’s facilities. Another Fitness USA facility recently revised a dress code to allow Muslim women to wear more modest dress while exercising. </SPAN>
Other examples abound. Last week, six imams demonstrated against U.S. Airways for alleged discrimination against Muslims and their religious practices after they were detained and questioned because they had been praying in the Minneapolis airport, loudly invoking Allah’s name and uttering anti-American statements. Recently, Muslim cabdrivers refused to carry passengers possessing alcoholic beverages or accompanied by seeing-eye dogs. Last year, city public swimming pools in Seattle, responding to pressure from Muslims, instituted regularly scheduled hours for exclusive use by Muslims, including a “Muslim Sister Swim.” In June in a Chicago suburb, a Muslim girls basketball team, whose players compete wearing long, blue gowns and hijabs, requested that in competitions with non-Muslims schools, no men or boys be allowed to watch the games.
What is behind this rash of demands for tolerance and accompanying allegations of discrimination by Muslims? Could this be part of an agenda contrived to intimidate non-Muslims into enacting special concessions and privileges for Muslims that subtlety alter American society step by step? Is this the beginning of a militant movement or a cultural jihad toward incremental demands with the ultimate goal of Islamicizing the U.S. and imposing Sharia law?
At the same time, Muslims are alleging with greater frequency and vitriol that a growing intolerance of Islam exists and that the rights of Muslims to speak and worship freely are under attack by Americans. Muslim leaders such as Salam Al-Marayati, executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, insist that Muslims have a right to petition for special accommodation based on their religious beliefs as mandated by the First Amendment. In truth, no requirement exists, either in state or federal statutes, requiring that such petitions be addressed or behavior adjusted accordingly. Further, the locations in question are publicly owned businesses providing services to the general public under behavioral and societal norms accepted by the majority of Americans. These are not private clubs exclusive to Muslim patrons and nothing prevents Muslims from creating their own private clubs to accommodate their needs. If a religion prohibits males and females from swimming together, its practitioners shouldn’t swim in public pools. If devout Muslim girls must play basketball in burkas away from the gaze of boys and men, competitions may be arranged exclusively with Muslims schools.
In the case of gym patrons, how far will the requests go before non-Muslim women are subservient to the whims and demands of Muslims? If a Muslim woman decides to spontaneously pray between the bench press and the treadmill are non-Muslims expected to alter their circuit in order not to disturb her? What if Muslims decide that they are uncomfortable with the immodest attire of non-Muslims exercising around them? Will they eventually demand that all gym participants dress according to a standard that they establish as appropriate? Once a Muslim-approved standard of dress is observed in the gym, would it be extended to cover shopping malls, post offices, other community locations and eventually an entire region?
As for praying in public places, such as fitness centers and airport terminals, to what extent should this be accommodated by American society? Do Muslims really believe that a gym locker room is a desirable and appropriate place for prayer? Can’t they schedule their day to attend the gym between calls to prayer or pray silently or in their cars? Most airports have non-denominational chapels for all religions. Aren’t these spaces more appropriate for vocal and physical attitudes of prayer than a busy terminal filled with passengers? In a post 9-11 world, it is unrealistic to expect that loud proclamations of Islamic faithfulness mixed with condemnations of U.S. policy will not raise suspicion and cause alarm. The tragedy of 9-11 has forever changed the air travel experience and certain behaviors are already constrained in the interest of American security. Is vocal and extreme religious behavior exempt?
Countless others have immigrated to the United States without demanding that we change our society to meet their religious requirements. It’s unfathomable that an orthodox Jewish taxi driver would deny passage to a person eating a ham sandwich or a Jehovah’s Witness would deny service to a passenger carrying a bottle of wine. We have already re-engineered assembly lines (Tyson Foods and Dell Computer) and overturned a city noise ordinance to allow for Muslim calls to prayer. Squiggle graphics on Burger King ice cream cones were discontinued as they allegedly resembled the Arabic spelling of Allah. Under threat of a lawsuit, Nike recalled a sneaker with a heel design that was also similar to the Arabic configuration for Allah and built three playgrounds in U.S. Islamic communities designated by the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
Where will this intimidation and shakedown of Americans and American institutions end? Will racism and bigotry accusations shame us into capitulating and abandoning our vigilance and security precautions? Will we be lured into curtailing our surveillance procedures, weakening the Patriot Act and enacting religious intolerance legislation focusing on Muslims? Muslim charges of victimization and discrimination have already paved the way for a variety of special treatment and dispensations. How many changes must we see on the American landscape and how far must Americans be pushed for concessions before we collectively say, “Enough?”
I'm not an American but I've had enough of this foolishness, don't like our country and our culture don't let the door hit you on the ass while you head back to the Mother Land that they are trying to recreate. I'm sick of this ****.
I didn't say you were wrong. I responded to northstar's post. Pressuring Google for info? Hell Bush just wire taps and monitors anything he wants. What's the difference? And if you look like an enemy to the state they'll ship you off to Gitmo or some other prison indefinitely and make no accounting of what they do to you.
The US isn't losing or winning the war in Iraq because of anyone. The objective was unwinnable.
The US isn't losing or winning the war in Iraq because of anyone. The objective was unwinnable.
You got it Sassy! HA!
I'm just not engaging in your comments until they get nice, Kreskin, at least l am contributing.
So, China and their threat both in becoming a military force to be reckoned with but also a a true communist, let's stop anyone who protests while we plan to rule the world kind of threat.
What’s the current strength of China’s military?
I think that as the world is distracted they are quietly building a military strength with a zealous focus...and l state this because the way in which they took all those young students that dared to protest shocked the world...where are those students now?
If they are alive they probably have been tortured since no UN watchdogs are allowed into china, maybe in work camps, maybe dead, but you can bet your prayer rug that they are not allowed out to play.
So, since we are basically considered the north arm of the US, l think we need to be aware....
I'm just not engaging in your comments until they get nice, Kreskin, at least l am contributing.
So, China and their threat both in becoming a military force to be reckoned with but also a a true communist, let's stop anyone who protests while we plan to rule the world kind of threat.
What’s the current strength of China’s military?
I think that as the world is distracted they are quietly building a military strength with a zealous focus...and l state this because the way in which they took all those young students that dared to protest shocked the world...where are those students now?
If they are alive they probably have been tortured since no UN watchdogs are allowed into china, maybe in work camps, maybe dead, but you can bet your prayer rug that they are not allowed out to play.
source- http://www.cfr.org/publication/9052/is_china_a_regional_military_threat.html#3
So, since we are basically considered the north arm of the US, l think we need to be aware....
The Iraqi leaders were all over the BBC 2 years ago stating that their country had been reduced to civil war. The US said ... no, they're wrong, they don't know what they're talking about, we have it all under control, we have a plan ... and now years later, the US is almost ready to spit out the truth: they took a country with a different culture, religion, history and leadership and reduced it to rubble and civil war, all in the name of a lie.
Hussein may have been a bad guy from a democratic western viewpoint, but he was a bad guy that knew how to run his country, his people, his three religions, preserve the culture and deal with the rest of the world. What Iraq has now is a very big mess and little hope of any restoration of artifacts, museums or culture. Maybe in the future we can hear about how the Iraqis are trying to regain ownership of their valuables from the Americans much like the Jews try to regain the possessions stolen by the Nazis and Swiss.
Hussein may have been a bad guy from a democratic western viewpoint, but he was a bad guy that knew how to run his country, his people, his three religions, preserve the culture and deal with the rest of the world. What Iraq has now is a very big mess and little hope of any restoration of artifacts, museums or culture. Maybe in the future we can hear about how the Iraqis are trying to regain ownership of their valuables from the Americans much like the Jews try to regain the possessions stolen by the Nazis and Swiss.
