U.N. Employees Beheaded Over Quran Burning

[Cannuck]

Of course were living 'their way of life' without being invaded, what way of life would they have been living?

The point is that the international community, despite concerns about human rights, allowed them to do as they chose. Nobody was eager to invade then and convert them to our way of life. The catalyst for the invasion was their support/export of terrorism, not some desire to change their "way of life"

you might be surprised at how flexible these people are.

You might be surprised at how diverse they are.

 

[PoliticalNick]

We are in Afghanistan to prevent it from being used as a safe haven and training base for Islamic groups that have, and will attack us. Everything else we do for the benefit of the people there, in an attempt to bring them into the 21st century...on our side. Because that would be to our benefit.....and theirs.....

To their benefit how...oh yeah, they benefit by not getting bombed and killed.

And yes, because we are the good guys.

In whose opinion besides those that use it to justify an invasion, I don't get how the west is the good guy when they are the invading force.

The alternative is to abandon them to medieval maniacs, and bomb the hell out of them, without regard for loss of life, if they even pretend to harbour our enemies.........

Well I don't have any enemies, maybe if you adjusted your view of the world and the people in it you wouldn't either.

Political Nick would have the politics and foreign relations of western nations determined by the nuttiest imam you could find.

No, I would have our politics controlled by the will of our people and foriegn relations restricted to strictly business deals.

 

[PoliticalNick]

The point is that the international community, despite concerns about human rights, allowed them to do as they chose. Nobody was eager to invade then and convert them to our way of life. The catalyst for the invasion was their support/export of terrorism, not some desire to change their "way of life"

I just spent 15 minutes doing research and cannot find terrorism listed as an export of Afghanistan anywhere. Heroin yes, but not terrorism.

 

[Colpy]

To their benefit how...oh yeah, they benefit by not getting bombed and killed.


In whose opinion besides those that use it to justify an invasion, I don't get how the west is the good guy when they are the invading force.


Well I don't have any enemies, maybe if you adjusted your view of the world and the people in it you wouldn't either.


No, I would have our politics controlled by the will of our people and foriegn relations restricted to strictly business deals.

First of all, the majority of civilians killed in Afghanistan are killed by the Taliban. Just like they happily murdered away before we got there.......

Secondly, international law (which I don't give a crap about), ancient tradition, and common sense says when you are attacked.....and that attack was planned and executed from a specific country, war with that country is only good sense. Why do you think the UN and NATO are on board??? Oh, so the answer is, it is the WORLD that has justified this invasion.

You've missed, perhaps, the Toronto 18, 9-11, numerous terrorist arrests, and attacks on our allies??? Oh, You think you have no enemies. Good for you, I'm glad..........now just relax in that knowledge and let the adults take care of you.....

Oh, our politics are decided by the will of the people (we are a democracy, remember?), and isolationism is impossible in the 21st century. Don't be ridiculous.

 

[CDNBear]

Gotcha. Maybe he just can't tell one from the other as you all look the same.:lol:

Maybe, some people are that myopic. And anyone that can't grasp the fact that not all Nations are subject to the same treaty, would definitely be myopic.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Why am I not surprised?

Not surprised about what? That your claim terrorism is an export of afghanistan is incorrect.

 

[CDNBear]

First of all, the majority of civilians killed in Afghanistan are killed by the Taliban. Just like they happily murdered away before we got there.......

Secondly, international law (which I don't give a crap about), ancient tradition, and common sense says when you are attacked.....and that attack was planned and executed from a specific country, war with that country is only good sense. Why do you think the UN and NATO are on board??? Oh, so the answer is, it is the WORLD that has justified this invasion.

Colpy, I'm with you right up to installing puppets and western democracy.

 

[Cannuck]

Not surprised about what? That your claim terrorism is an export of afghanistan is incorrect.

It's not my claim.

 

[Cannuck]

Looks like these guys are pissed about the elections

Afghanistan Kuchis Celebrate Election In Kabul

 

[PoliticalNick]

First of all, the majority of civilians killed in Afghanistan are killed by the Taliban. Just like they happily murdered away before we got there........

We have already been through this....a few hundred Taliban with ak's killed more people than 150 million pounds of smart bombs, sure they did. Just a case of the Taliban having better aim.

Secondly, international law (which I don't give a crap about), ancient tradition, and common sense says when you are attacked.....and that attack was planned and executed from a specific country, war with that country is only good sense. Why do you think the UN and NATO are on board??? Oh, so the answer is, it is the WORLD that has justified this invasion.

Most of the hijackers had been in the US for months or even years ( 2 lived with an FBI guy in SanDiego for 3 months) prior to 9/11 and they were Saudi's not Afghani's. If anything the $100,000 Atta recieved from the Pakistani ISI a week before should maybe point to an attack from Pakistan.

You've missed, perhaps, the Toronto 18, 9-11, numerous terrorist arrests, and attacks on our allies??? Oh, You think you have no enemies. Good for you, I'm glad..........now just relax in that knowledge and let the adults take care of you.....

The jury is still out on 9/11 as there is too much conflicting stories and lack of evidence from the government. But don't let yourself be influenced by that, just keep drinking the kool-aid like a good little boy...the govt likes that.

Oh, our politics are decided by the will of the people (we are a democracy, remember?), and isolationism is impossible in the 21st century. Don't be ridiculous

Hate to burst your bubble but our politics are decided by a few idiots in Ottawa who want to be quasi-Americans, not you or me, or do they come and ask your permission before doing anything?

 

[Colpy]

Not surprised about what? That your claim terrorism is an export of afghanistan is incorrect.

Why, and how is it incorrect???

 

[PoliticalNick]

Aren't you the guy that's always prattling on about context? If you bothered to read the entire thread, you would see that I've posted UN resolutions. Simply put (it appears I have to dumb it down for you), it is a claim put forth by the UN. I happen to agree with it.

ODS HOME PAGE

4th paragraph

Condemning the Taliban for allowing Afghanistan to be used as a base for the
export of terrorism by the Al-Qaida network and other terrorist groups and for
providing safe haven to Usama Bin Laden, Al-Qaida and others associated with
them, and in this​

So because the UN says it must be true, just like the European Jews claim to the state of Israel. Keep drinking the kool-aid....
​

No it isn't.

Technically correct...there never was a jury or any other open investigation.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Why, and how is it incorrect???

I fail to see how terrorism can be an export. It is not a tradeable good or commodity.

Definition of export -
Any good or commodity, transported from one country to another country in a legitimate fashion, typically for use in trade. Export goods or services are provided to foreign consumers by domestic producers.[2]

 

[Cannuck]

So because the UN says it must be true.

Nope. If somebody can come up with something better, I'm all ears. Just like the 9/11 conspiracy nutters, if they can come up with something credible to suggest it didn't go down like it was reported, I can accept thatt. After almost ten years, I have yet to hear anything yet. Do you have a version of events that isn't laughable?

 

[CDNBear]

I fail to see how terrorism can be an export. It is not a tradeable good or commodity.

Definition of export -
Any good or commodity, transported from one country to another country in a legitimate fashion, typically for use in trade. Export goods or services are provided to foreign consumers by domestic producers.[2]

To be honest PN, services are oft referred to as a commodity.

Then you'd have to make a case for terrorism as a service.

 

[Cannuck]

So Canada should be in Afghanistan, because the UN says we should?

No, I'm not a supporter of the UN and don't really care what they think. That said, it is telling when they come together on Afghanistan like they did. It's one of the few times when there was practically unanimity. I think Canada's decision to enter Afghanistan should have been based alone on NATO's decision to go. There was sufficient evidence (9/11 truthers notwithstanding) that Osama was the problem and if one NATO member is attacked, we are all attacked. Personally, I think we should have gone regardless of our NATO obligations. If Botswana was attacked like NYC, we should have had troops on the ground there.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Nope. If somebody can come up with something better, I'm all ears. Just like the 9/11 conspiracy nutters, if they can come up with something credible to suggest it didn't go down like it was reported, I can accept thatt. After almost ten years, I have yet to hear anything yet. Do you have a version of events that isn't laughable?

How about starting with this.

FAA had military aircraft scrambled for various reasons 61 times from Jan 1,2001 to Sept 10, 2001 and had average 4 minute response time with 100% accuracy 61 times. Sept 11,2001 the response time was 42 minutes with 0% accuraccy. Just a small glitch I suppose or would you maybe want to ask a few questions?

 

[CDNBear]

I think Canada's decision to enter Afghanistan should have been based alone on NATO's decision to go.

So you agree on Canada's obligations to NATO?

 

[PoliticalNick]

To be honest PN, services are oft referred to as a commodity.

Then you'd have to make a case for terrorism as a service.

But who is going to trade for terrorism...did the US ship them some corn or something in return.

 

[CDNBear]

But who is going to trade for terrorism...did the US ship them some corn or something in return.

Nope, just a load of high ordinance.