The most idiotic suggestion regarding the internet that I have heard came from the EU, they now want to create their own version of the internet :roll: I wonder what's keeping them.
U.N. Control of Internet
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The Chinese are doing that ITN, as are, I believe, the Saudis. The new .cn suffix will be for China's internet. This is at least partly in response to the US controlling the internet.
Why does that corrupt organization continue to exist?
Money, UN and Saddam’s Oil for Food
By
James Bredin
So UN sanctions meant nothing to Saddam and his gang,
In fact it played straight into their hands with a bang,
They got so rich they couldn’t even count their money,
Under normal circumstances this could be funny.
Representatives of famine, hunger, fear and droughts
Did their fifty two UN members know what this was about?
Amid Saddam’s oil-for-food carefully shredded books,
Is the UN a politically correct cartel of crooks?
Should I apologize or even mention this stuff?
Did most of the media avoid this, curiously enough?
Why was nothing done about this oil-for-food scam?
Is it because nobody really gives a damn?
The greatest rip-off in the history of mankind,
Now all water under the bridge and nothing left behind,
Because they spend years shredding every crooked book,
It doesn’t matter now where the investigators look.
Has the UN gone completely off the tracks?
Where representatives from hell make noise and relax,
Now they’ve got Kyoto which the Americans wont buy,
Nor Australia nor India nor China and no hue and cry.
No country has resigned from the UN in protest,
No one has been charged or even put under arrest,
We’re not allowed to notice, the UN might be rotten,
That smell in the air will just have to be forgotten.
Sunday, January 29, 2006
Yeah, yeah.
What about Canadian corruption, or American corruption and American war crimes there shamus.
You put the U.N in a whole different field when it can't comply.
Countries resigning from the U.N, not going to happen.
What about the 100 million dollars that was lost to Americans after they invaded Iraq and started killing people.
What about the 500,000 people who died because of the sanctions placed on Iraq by nutballs, and the oil-for-food system was set up to allieivate the suffering of these Iraqi people.
More conservative crap.
What about Canadian corruption, or American corruption and American war crimes there shamus.
You put the U.N in a whole different field when it can't comply.
Countries resigning from the U.N, not going to happen.
What about the 100 million dollars that was lost to Americans after they invaded Iraq and started killing people.
What about the 500,000 people who died because of the sanctions placed on Iraq by nutballs, and the oil-for-food system was set up to allieivate the suffering of these Iraqi people.
More conservative crap.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/01/30/googlechina/index.php
Google's Explanation
The bell has rung and Money is the root of all evil.
Google's Explanation
The bell has rung and Money is the root of all evil.
From China with love!
Thanks, Google!
After having read this thread, I decided to check out what I can access in Google, in Chinese, English, French and Esperanto. Interesting stuff!
In Chinese (keep in mind, however, that my chinese, especially on a keyboard, is still limited), I could access pornography. As for the F@l0n G0ng and more sensitive issues related to Tibet, Xinjiang, Uighurs and other minority groups, I'm not sure due to my limited ability in the language overall. I have heard from Chinese friends, however, that the websites are more censored in Chinese than they are in English.
In English, I was able to access pornography and, surprise surprise, the Hizbollah! So I must conclude that the Chinese governmnet takes neither pornography nor the Hizbollah as a threat to their authority here in China. I could also access negative info about the F@l0n G0ng and the D@l@l L@m@(many webpages just wouldn't open when I should klick on them, funny that), and I couldn't access info about '3@st3rn T0rk3st@n" either. Usually I can access Wikipedia, but not lately (that goes for any language option). but I can access religious sites, be they Christian, Baha'i, Shi'a, Jewish, etc. as well as political party sites from the US, Canada, Britain and other countirers. I can usually access the BBC and CNN, though parts of VOA are often inaccessible. I couldn't access the official Taiwan government webpage either, although I seem to remember accessing some Taiwan government page before (temporary computer glich, or selective sencorship perhaps?) but I could access various other government websites from the Canadian federal, provincial and local governments, as well as other national government websites from around the world along with the EU and UN websites. Although I couldn't access certain US government webpages relating to "religious p3rs3c0tl0n in China". I could also access some extreme religious fundamentalist websites such as Christian dominionist and reconstructionist, radical zionist, and, as mentionned before, the Hizbullah. I can still access forums which are highly critical of China but lack substance.
And, obviously, I can access canadiancontent.net/ As for other sites, well, obviously I won't spend all night testing every site of which I can think.
As for French, I still can't access the F@l0n G0ng or the D@l@l L@m@, but (surprise surprise) I can access many more sites re '3@st3rn T0rk3st@n" than I could in English, including some which could be quite, humm... politically sensitive. I could likewise access various religious websites, again from a wide range of religions. Still couldn't access the taiwan government website. "P3rs3c0tl0n in China" is still inaccessible. Very vritical and accusatory forums are easily accessible, but of course lack substance (i.e. they may throw a bunch of insults and name calling at the Chinese government, but aren't providing detailed info about any particular event).
And in Esperanto, I still can't access F@l0n G0ng (mind you, it is spelt the same way in French, English and Esperanto), but I can access positive information about the lamaman no problem. I can still access any religious website. Politically sensitive information about 3@st3rn T0rk3st@n is easy to access as well. Other politically sensitive info against China isn't so much sensored as limited in existance, however, beyond basic news reports which are accessible, just as they are in the other languages. Although i had come across critical websites located in China agains Chinese government policy (still moderate, but more critical than I've ever been able to see in English or French, especially from mainland-based websites) and can sometimes provide substantial information. While Chinese government websites are available in Esperanto, foreign ones aren't so much sencored as they are non-existent, except for basic information websites form the Cuban government, and Italian and Polish owned internet radio stations. The PRC's is by far the most extensive, but needless to say it isn't particularly critical sinse it is owned by the central government!
Interesting thing is, though, that I can know that a webpage exists. It shows up in the google search, but just won't open when I click on it.
Anyway, it was interesting to know that I can access porno and a Hizbullah (I actually wasn't surprised about the porno though; I'd seen it popping up before at public computers, so obviously someone was looking at it) website yet can't access info about fillingong, which seems innocent enough to me, at least compared to porno and the Hizbullah (no offence to the Hizbullah there that I should throw on the same list as porno; sorry hizbullah).
Anyway, those are my observations for tonight. almost 11:00pm. Good night y'all, from anotehr forum addict.
Thanks, Google!
After having read this thread, I decided to check out what I can access in Google, in Chinese, English, French and Esperanto. Interesting stuff!
In Chinese (keep in mind, however, that my chinese, especially on a keyboard, is still limited), I could access pornography. As for the F@l0n G0ng and more sensitive issues related to Tibet, Xinjiang, Uighurs and other minority groups, I'm not sure due to my limited ability in the language overall. I have heard from Chinese friends, however, that the websites are more censored in Chinese than they are in English.
In English, I was able to access pornography and, surprise surprise, the Hizbollah! So I must conclude that the Chinese governmnet takes neither pornography nor the Hizbollah as a threat to their authority here in China. I could also access negative info about the F@l0n G0ng and the D@l@l L@m@(many webpages just wouldn't open when I should klick on them, funny that), and I couldn't access info about '3@st3rn T0rk3st@n" either. Usually I can access Wikipedia, but not lately (that goes for any language option). but I can access religious sites, be they Christian, Baha'i, Shi'a, Jewish, etc. as well as political party sites from the US, Canada, Britain and other countirers. I can usually access the BBC and CNN, though parts of VOA are often inaccessible. I couldn't access the official Taiwan government webpage either, although I seem to remember accessing some Taiwan government page before (temporary computer glich, or selective sencorship perhaps?) but I could access various other government websites from the Canadian federal, provincial and local governments, as well as other national government websites from around the world along with the EU and UN websites. Although I couldn't access certain US government webpages relating to "religious p3rs3c0tl0n in China". I could also access some extreme religious fundamentalist websites such as Christian dominionist and reconstructionist, radical zionist, and, as mentionned before, the Hizbullah. I can still access forums which are highly critical of China but lack substance.
And, obviously, I can access canadiancontent.net/ As for other sites, well, obviously I won't spend all night testing every site of which I can think.
As for French, I still can't access the F@l0n G0ng or the D@l@l L@m@, but (surprise surprise) I can access many more sites re '3@st3rn T0rk3st@n" than I could in English, including some which could be quite, humm... politically sensitive. I could likewise access various religious websites, again from a wide range of religions. Still couldn't access the taiwan government website. "P3rs3c0tl0n in China" is still inaccessible. Very vritical and accusatory forums are easily accessible, but of course lack substance (i.e. they may throw a bunch of insults and name calling at the Chinese government, but aren't providing detailed info about any particular event).
And in Esperanto, I still can't access F@l0n G0ng (mind you, it is spelt the same way in French, English and Esperanto), but I can access positive information about the lamaman no problem. I can still access any religious website. Politically sensitive information about 3@st3rn T0rk3st@n is easy to access as well. Other politically sensitive info against China isn't so much sensored as limited in existance, however, beyond basic news reports which are accessible, just as they are in the other languages. Although i had come across critical websites located in China agains Chinese government policy (still moderate, but more critical than I've ever been able to see in English or French, especially from mainland-based websites) and can sometimes provide substantial information. While Chinese government websites are available in Esperanto, foreign ones aren't so much sencored as they are non-existent, except for basic information websites form the Cuban government, and Italian and Polish owned internet radio stations. The PRC's is by far the most extensive, but needless to say it isn't particularly critical sinse it is owned by the central government!
Interesting thing is, though, that I can know that a webpage exists. It shows up in the google search, but just won't open when I click on it.
Anyway, it was interesting to know that I can access porno and a Hizbullah (I actually wasn't surprised about the porno though; I'd seen it popping up before at public computers, so obviously someone was looking at it) website yet can't access info about fillingong, which seems innocent enough to me, at least compared to porno and the Hizbullah (no offence to the Hizbullah there that I should throw on the same list as porno; sorry hizbullah).
Anyway, those are my observations for tonight. almost 11:00pm. Good night y'all, from anotehr forum addict.
Re: RE: U.N. Control of Internet
I hope you mean the former rather than the latter.
Jay said:"Anyway, it was interesting to know that I can access porno and a Hizbullah "
Well, that should keep you busy for awhile...
I hope you mean the former rather than the latter.
Well, porno doesn't interest me much other than just to prove that I can access it. And the Hizbullah website (at least the English one) was pretty basic (a few pages at most just giving a basic intro and, of course, trying to give themselves a little PR). So no, neither would keep me busy for along time.
Actually, I would be in favour of an internaitonal body controlling the internet wisely.
By wisely, I mean that it sensors things in accordance to the interests of the world community, not their own personal interests. Examples could include sensoring the official webpages of illegal organizations (those made illegal for goodd reason, I mean, such as criminal or terrorist organisations, so as to keep them from carrying out their activities on the internet such as fraud, internet terrorism such as creating visuses, etc.). this could also include pronography (child porn especially), and other such sites. But this doesn't mean that they ought to be allowed to sensor a site just because they don't agree with its philoso[hy of course.
By wisely, I mean that it sensors things in accordance to the interests of the world community, not their own personal interests. Examples could include sensoring the official webpages of illegal organizations (those made illegal for goodd reason, I mean, such as criminal or terrorist organisations, so as to keep them from carrying out their activities on the internet such as fraud, internet terrorism such as creating visuses, etc.). this could also include pronography (child porn especially), and other such sites. But this doesn't mean that they ought to be allowed to sensor a site just because they don't agree with its philoso[hy of course.
Wednesday's Child said:
I'm impressed, Wednesday, or were you quoting?
I'm with you and Gwynne Dyer.
The United Nations and the Internet
I would favour a body such as the United Nations governing the use of the Internet for the world as a whole; however, we must ensure that any action taken on the part of the U.N. would be taken in the interest of Earth, rather than the interest of one or two countries in the Security Council — but that would be another topic entirely (i.e., reforming representation in the United Nations).
I would assert that the United Nations should censor the Internet where:
(a) a Web site promotes hatred in violation of hate propaganda laws;
(b) a Web site promotes action based on such hatred as in Section (a).
However, some content on the Internet could be unlawful in one country, and lawful in another; therefore, I would assert that "Sub-committees on Internet Control," comprised of Member Nations with like laws in respect of Internet access, should be formed and should govern over Internet access in such nations on a more particular level than would the United Nations as a whole.
By way of example, if from Canada I attempted to access a Web site that had been banned by the "Western Sub-committee on Internet Control," comprised of perhaps Canada, the United States, the United Kingdom and France, then I would have an error returned such as
903: Connection was denied by United Nations
Obviously, this would require some reconsideration and reinvention of certain devices and conventions used on the Internet, on a policy-oriented connection basis, but I believe it could be done, and I believe it could benefit each and every player on the world stage.
I would favour a body such as the United Nations governing the use of the Internet for the world as a whole; however, we must ensure that any action taken on the part of the U.N. would be taken in the interest of Earth, rather than the interest of one or two countries in the Security Council — but that would be another topic entirely (i.e., reforming representation in the United Nations).
I would assert that the United Nations should censor the Internet where:
(a) a Web site promotes hatred in violation of hate propaganda laws;
(b) a Web site promotes action based on such hatred as in Section (a).
However, some content on the Internet could be unlawful in one country, and lawful in another; therefore, I would assert that "Sub-committees on Internet Control," comprised of Member Nations with like laws in respect of Internet access, should be formed and should govern over Internet access in such nations on a more particular level than would the United Nations as a whole.
By way of example, if from Canada I attempted to access a Web site that had been banned by the "Western Sub-committee on Internet Control," comprised of perhaps Canada, the United States, the United Kingdom and France, then I would have an error returned such as
903: Connection was denied by United Nations
Obviously, this would require some reconsideration and reinvention of certain devices and conventions used on the Internet, on a policy-oriented connection basis, but I believe it could be done, and I believe it could benefit each and every player on the world stage.