I'm not following you Darkbunger but,,,who the hell is?
.Like my old dad use to say when he was alive,,,,you're crazier than a bedbug sir".
Two Witnesses
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.Like my old dad use to say when he was alive,,,,you're crazier than a bedbug sir".
No one can follow you Darkbunger. Because in order for them to do so you'd have to make some fvckin sense.
.I might ask one question though,,,,you don't eat your ice cream too fast do ye?
No, perfection is one level, imperfect has two levels, one for flesh and the other for immortal beings (angelic)
Some??
Da:7:19-27:
Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast,
which was diverse from all the others,
exceeding dreadful,
whose teeth were of iron,
and his nails of brass;
which devoured,
brake in pieces,
and stamped the residue with his feet;
And of the ten horns that were in his head,
and of the other which came up,
and before whom three fell;
even of that horn that had eyes,
and a mouth that spake very great things,
whose look was more stout than his fellows.
I beheld,
and the same horn made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Thus he said,
The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,
which shall be diverse from all kingdoms,
and shall devour the whole earth,
and shall tread it down,
and break it in pieces.
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise:
and another shall rise after them;
and he shall be diverse from the first,
and he shall subdue three kings.
And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and think to change times and laws:
and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
But the judgment shall sit,
and they shall take away his dominion,
to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
And the kingdom and dominion,
and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,
shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High,
whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
If the explanation supports liberalism then the 'vision' verses also have to support that.
Da:7:7:
After this I saw in the night visions,
and behold a fourth beast,
dreadful and terrible,
and strong exceedingly;
and it had great iron teeth:
it devoured and brake in pieces,
and stamped the residue with the feet of it:
and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it;
and it had ten horns.
I considered the horns,
and,
behold,
there came up among them another little horn,
before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots:
and,
behold,
in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man,
and a mouth speaking great things.
I beheld till the thrones were cast down,
and the Ancient of days did sit,
whose garment was white as snow,
and the hair of his head like the pure wool:
his throne was like the fiery flame,
and his wheels as burning fire.
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him:
thousand thousands ministered unto him,
and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him:
the judgment was set,
and the books were opened.
Don't worry about DS, God will gather him at the right time. Somebody has to sit in darkness, it might as well be him.
There are some lengthy historical passages as well, MHz:
This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham: Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram, Ram the father of Amminadab, Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon, Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was and Jesse the father of King David, David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife, Solomon the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asa, Asa the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram, Jehoram the father of Uzziah, Uzziah the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah, Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amon, Amon the father of Josiah, and Josiah the father of Jeconiah and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon. After the exile to Babylon: Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel, Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel, Zerubbabel the father of Abihud, Abihud the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor, Azor the father of Zadok, Zadok the father of Akim, Akim the father of Elihud, Elihud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah. Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah." (Matthew 1:1-17 NIV)
And they should be taken literally.
Mary and Joseph were married before the birth, Matthew show that Jesus is from the House of David so He is entitled to inherit that same throne. The generations in Luke are of Mary's fathers and that shows He is a high priest to all of mankind rather than just to the 12 tribes if He had been from just the House of Levi.
This genealogy identifies Joseph as Jesus' legal father and a son of Israeli royalty through Abraham and David's son Solomon, LL. The genealogy in Luke 3 identifies Mary as Jesus' mother and a daughter of humanity through Adam and David's son Nathan. Both genealogies fulfill numerous OT prophecies concerning the human and royal origins and identity of the Messiah.
Hermeneutics is not a light matter it requires rigorous study to show ourselves approved and rightly divide it. But in the context of Revelation after studying all you can still there's an utmost requirement upon waiting for Holy Spirit to reveal it.
2 Peter 1:21 New King James Version (NKJV)
21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God[a] spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
So it requires for us to not draw forth of ourselves but of the things of the Spirit. And to remember that the secrets of the Lord belong to those who fear Him.
Having said that I personally believe of the possibility its Moses and Elijah as per the Mount of Transfiguration.
2 Peter 1:21 New King James Version (NKJV)
21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God[a] spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
So it requires for us to not draw forth of ourselves but of the things of the Spirit. And to remember that the secrets of the Lord belong to those who fear Him.
Having said that I personally believe of the possibility its Moses and Elijah as per the Mount of Transfiguration.
I guess if you're Christian you would try to "rightly divide the word of truth as he called it. I think I'll stick to what Jesus said and you can divide what you want.
No resurrections can happen before the 7th trump sounds and the witnesses must be 'anointed' like Moses was before any trump can sound.
Re:7:1-3:
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth,
holding the four winds of the earth,
that the wind should not blow on the earth,
nor on the sea,
nor on any tree.
And I saw another angel ascending from the east,
having the seal of the living God:
and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels,
to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Saying,
Hurt not the earth,
neither the sea,
nor the trees,
till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
The 144,000 from the 12 Tribes are then sealed and later in that same chapter some Gentiles are mentioned. It is Gentiles who are counted at the start of Re:11 and the two witnesses would seem to belong to that group. The 12 Tribes only have the 144,000 survive the first 6 trumps and on the day the 7th trump sounds all Gentiles that have not repented are sent to the grave and that is followed by the resurrection of the whole of the 12 tribes going back to Abraham's son Joseph.
Eze:39:23:
And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity:
because they trespassed against me,
therefore hid I my face from them,
and gave them into the hand of their enemies:
so fell they all by the sword.
Eze:39:24:
According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them,
and hid my face from them.
Eze:37:12-14:
Therefore prophesy and say unto them,
Thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold,
O my people,
I will open your graves,
and cause you to come up out of your graves,
and bring you into the land of Israel.
And ye shall know that I am the LORD,
when I have opened your graves,
O my people,
and brought you up out of your graves,
And shall put my spirit in you,
and ye shall live,
and I shall place you in your own land:
then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it,
and performed it,
saith the LORD.
I'm not much for those particular epistles or "letters" ma'am. If you like them that's okay.
Thank you, LL. I appreciate the particular perspective Paul brings to the gospel of Christ.
Thank you, LL. I appreciate the particular perspective the apostle Paul brings to the revelation of Christ.
Pointless to have discussions concerning this subject on this forum hell you have no idea who is sincere and who is not.
I'm not a fan of Saul and I'll leave it at that.
Stephen drew the short straw. Saul shows just how easy it is for God to convert even the worst ones.