Turns out pipelines don't do much for the economy

[Hoid]

“There is no question this is not something Mr. Trudeau would have ever tried with Quebec. This is indeed a federation, environment is a classic shared jurisdiction between the federal and the provincial government. What Mr. Trudeau is trying to do now is unilaterally impose financial and other sanctions on British Columbia which I am convinced he never would have tried to do with Quebec.” - Tom Mulclair

Or never have succeeded anyway.

And with Vancouver gasoline prices the highest of any major city in North America let me just say how very uninterested I am in pumping more bitumen through the Burrard Inlet.

Hows about some gasoline maybe? You know that we could keep here and use for ourselves?

Because we're all Canadians and we're all in this together and all that other good bullshit that gets tossed around when its time to sell some bitumen to China.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Why doesn't Alberta start a trade war with Quebec?

Why no emergency meetings in Ottawa To settle the constitutional emergency over Quebec telling Alberta to **** off?

These are all rhetorical questions, as you clearly unable to answer anything at all.

If it's apart of your argument maybe you should tell me why?

 

[Hoid]

If it's apart of your argument maybe you should tell me why?

Because Quebec cannot be bullied into accepting something they don't want or need.

That's what BC is for.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Because Quebec cannot be bullied into accepting something they don't want or need.

That's what BC is for.

It wasn't because Line 9 was put into full production supplying Montreal with oil from Ft. Mac. and Suncor pulled their support from TCPL because of it.

 

[petros]

He doesn't know.

 

[mentalfloss]

Pipelines Are Bad For The Environment And The Economy

Contradictory statements aside, the case for job creation continues to be one of the biggest and repetitive claims made in support of building pipelines. During a press conference held in Calgary last Tuesday after a federal cabinet retreat, Trudeau pressed on the importance of pipelines for job creation. So too did Jim Carr, the minister of natural resources, who expressed his optimistic reaction in regards to Keystone XL, claiming this pipeline project will create up to 4,500 jobs for Canadians.

The more this is repeated, the more it rings true to our ears. However, the case for job creation in support of pipeline building is false.

In fact, a state department report issued under the previous Obama administration discovered that only 3,900 construction jobs will be created if Keystone XL takes a year to build. And if the construction phase stretches out for two years, only 1,950 construction jobs will be created.

These jobs are also temporary – as in, they will no longer exist once the pipeline is built. After its construction phase, the Keystone XL pipeline will create only 35 full-time permanent jobs and 15 full-time temporary positions. This is because in addition to not creating long-lasting jobs, pipelines don’t require much labour to operate long-term.

It is not plausible to continuously claim that Keystone XL, among other pipelines, is an effective and sustainable way of creating jobs for Canadians. All we are doing is trying to numb and momentarily stabilize the issue of unemployment instead of successfully attempting to prevent it in the first place. Opting for pipelines is not only environmentally destructive, but is also economically shortsighted.

Oil-mongers be gone: Pipelines are bad for the environment and the economy | The Manitoban

 

[Twin_Moose]

Over 2 thousand construction jobs just for Canada, a major project like this are broken up sections, nicknamed spreads in the pipeline world, and each spread will employ approx. 500 men. The Canadian portion from Ft. Sask. to South of Winkler will take approx. 6 spreads. The Southern leg in the states is completed so from the border South of Winkler to Cushing Okla. will take between 6 -8 spreads so I would say the original estimate is low and about bang on for the U.S. portion.

What say you MF

 

[petros]

I say he's never heard of line 3 let alone KXL facts.

Hey MonkeyFloss why does DAPL end right at the border?

To connect to Canada?

Enbridge Announces $7B Line 3 Rebuild, Largest Project in Company History

 

[Twin_Moose]

I say he's never heard of line 3 let alone KXL.

Hey MonkeyFloss what does DAPL end right at the border?

To connect to Canada?

I'm wondering if he even heard of Line 9 in Ont. with all the commotion it raised when they were reversing it. The protestors should be championing the Line 3 replacement project, there is a reason they are replacing it

 

[petros]

Line 3 is ancient and it needs more capicity for some weird reason.

 

[mentalfloss]

Over 2 thousand construction jobs just for Canada, a major project like this are broken up sections, nicknamed spreads in the pipeline world, and each spread will employ approx. 500 men. The Canadian portion from Ft. Sask. to South of Winkler will take approx. 6 spreads. The Southern leg in the states is completed so from the border South of Winkler to Cushing Okla. will take between 6 -8 spreads so I would say the original estimate is low and about bang on for the U.S. portion.

What say you MF

Those projects are splintered and take decades to put into place.

The cost benefit analysis shows it just doesn't warrant the effort.


Just ask Kinder Morgan.

 

[Hoid]

It wasn't because Line 9 was put into full production supplying Montreal with oil from Ft. Mac. and Suncor pulled their support from TCPL because of it.

In their own words

"The recent assertions of federal representatives regarding the Trans Mountain pipeline, which refer to an exclusive application of federal rules, are detrimental to a proper resolution of this issue and raise concerns for the future,"

 

[Twin_Moose]

Line 3 is ancient and it needs more capicity for some weird reason.

Too long at max pressure stressed it too much, they are only increasing size by 2" 34"-36"

In their own words

"The recent assertions of federal representatives regarding the Trans Mountain pipeline, which refer to an exclusive application of federal rules, are detrimental to a proper resolution of this issue and raise concerns for the future,"

Yeah same words that B.C. is trying to use, if Ottawa would have supported the project and TCPL wouldn't have shelved the project that's all they would have been is words. I bet it will be dusted off in 2020 if JT looses in 2019

Those projects are splintered and take decades to put into place.

The cost benefit analysis shows it just doesn't warrant the effort.


Just ask Kinder Morgan.

Bahahaha once they clear the Nebraska hiccup it will be in the ground in 2 seasons and in production by the second year.

 

[mentalfloss]

Considering they've already said they need a decision by May 31st, that's going to be a rough ride.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Considering they've already said they need a decision by May 31st, that's going to be a rough ride.

I thought we were talking about XL now we are back to KM June 1st they will be laying pipe

 

[petros]

Those projects are splintered and take decades to put into place.

The cost benefit analysis shows it just doesn't warrant the effort.


Just ask Kinder Morgan.

Ask Enbridge about how easy Line 3 got approved.

June 1st they will be laying pipe

Of course. Avalanche season is over.

Too long at max pressure stressed it too much, they are only increasing size by 2" 34"-36"



Yeah same words that B.C. is trying to use, if Ottawa would have supported the project and TCPL wouldn't have shelved the project that's all they would have been is words. I bet it will be dusted off in 2020 if JT looses in 2019



Bahahaha once they clear the Nebraska hiccup it will be in the ground in 2 seasons and in production by the second year.

2" is substantial. 36.6 more cubic feet per inch of pipe.

Which work out to 4.9133333333 gallons per inch.

 

[Hoid]

I thought we were talking about XL now we are back to KM June 1st they will be laying pipe

But not in Quebec.

IN Quebec they have co-operative federalism.

In BC they have no rights.

 

[mentalfloss]

In Kinder Morgan they have no profits.

 

[Hoid]

Kinder Morgan wants out of this project.

Obviously.

 

[pgs]

You are not from BC and you do not understand anything that is happening here.

Like every other ignore lister you simply invent your own reality where you can hide from the truth.

The Kinder Morgan Expansion has never been approved by many of the people that are supposed to have been consulted about it.

The only way BC can approve it is if there are ways to clean it up.

There are not.

I am from B.C. and fully understand that you sir are completely out to lunch.

“There is no question this is not something Mr. Trudeau would have ever tried with Quebec. This is indeed a federation, environment is a classic shared jurisdiction between the federal and the provincial government. What Mr. Trudeau is trying to do now is unilaterally impose financial and other sanctions on British Columbia which I am convinced he never would have tried to do with Quebec.” - Tom Mulclair

Or never have succeeded anyway.

And with Vancouver gasoline prices the highest of any major city in North America let me just say how very uninterested I am in pumping more bitumen through the Burrard Inlet.

Hows about some gasoline maybe? You know that we could keep here and use for ourselves?

Because we're all Canadians and we're all in this together and all that other good bullshit that gets tossed around when its time to sell some bitumen to China.

But you are but one of the minority of British Columbian’s who oppose the pipeline , despite the fact some idiot hired you to spout sh-t over the internet you are still outnumbered .