Trump- THE ART OF WINNING !

NZDoug

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How to win friends and influence people. NOT !!! (Borat voice)
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Trump’s Lose-Lose Proposition in Korea
His exorbitant demands on the South alienate yet another ally in a dangerous region.
President Trump’s conviction that allies are getting American military protection at a bargain-basement price is well known. It is also dangerous, as his current tiff with South Korea demonstrates.
Mr. Trump has groused about the cost of keeping 28,000 American troops on the Korean Peninsula and has reportedly questioned whether they should be there at all. On Tuesday, his outlandish demand that the South Koreans roughly quintuple what they pay the United States led to an abrupt breakdown of negotiations on how to divide the cost.
In a troubling coincidence, the impasse came a day after North Korea — the main reason American troops are there — slapped down Mr. Trump’s tweet urging Kim Jong-un to revive talks on ending the North’s nuclear weapons program, which the president concluded with a playful, “See you soon!” Mr. Trump even postponed a scheduled joint Air Force exercise with South Korea to entice Mr. Kim to meet with him again. North Korea responded dismissively that it had “no intention to sit at the table with the tricky U.S.”
Talks with North Korea may yet resume, and the American troops in South Korea will not be leaving anytime soon, thanks in part to bipartisan congressional resistance to Mr. Trump’s dumping on allies while hobnobbing with dictators.
he Asia Reassurance Initiative Act, whose name boldly proclaims its intent, includes a requirement that the president justify any sanctions relief to North Korea before Congress. And the National Defense Authorization Act for 2019 bars using any military funding to reduce American forces in South Korea below 22,000, unless the secretary of defense can certify that allies have been consulted and that the reduction won’t harm their, or America’s, security.
Still, Mr. Trump’s mercantile approach to stationing American troops abroad is highly detrimental to America’s role in the world, and to its own security and prosperity. In effect, he reduces the Americans abroad to a for-profit mercenary force, willfully ignoring the fact that they have been stationed in South Korea since the end of the Korean War not only to protect the South Koreans, but as the front line of the free world. Their presence affirms America’s position as a bulwark against the ambitions of suspect actors, including China, a role that pays concrete dividends in peaceful trade. How the waning of American influence could play out was demonstrated by an announcement Sunday that the defense ministers of South Korea and China had signed an agreement on improving their security ties.
And South Korea is not getting a free ride, even by Mr. Trump’s abacus. Seoul pays almost half the cost of maintaining American troops in South Korea and spends much of its arms budget in the United States. Those same troops would cost far more to maintain on bases in the United States, and their duties in South Korea provide real-world training that exercises at home could never duplicate.
Perhaps most damaging, Mr. Trump’s unreasonable compensation demand undermines yet another alliance. South Koreans have consistently shown overwhelming support for their alliance with the United States, whether under dovish or hawkish presidents. Mr. Trump’s demands, however, have provoked outrage.
There is never a good time to squander political capital or weaken alliances, but this is an especially bad one in Asia. For all the hype about Mr. Trump’s meetings with North Korea’s dictator, the North is continuing to test missiles, while China is rapidly growing as a powerful and ambitious rival in Asia. And South Korea is entangled in a nasty feud with America’s other major Asian ally, Japan. Not surprisingly, Mr. Trump is also demanding that Japan fork out four times more than it has for American troops, though those negotiations are still some time off.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/21/opinion/trump-korea.html
Congrats, China.
 

Danbones

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In effect, he reduces the Americans abroad to a for-profit mercenary force

lol blaming that on trump is feakin retarded doood. seriously.

Major General - United States Marine Corps
Retired Oct. 1, 1931
( The bushes tried to get him to run a coup on the American Government way back then too)

War Is A Racket
By Major General Smedley Butler

Contents
Chapter 1: War Is A Racket
Chapter 2: Who Makes The Profits?
Chapter 3: Who Pays The Bills?
Chapter 4: How To Smash This Racket!
Chapter 5: To Hell With War!
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

I have NEVER seen people so distant from reality as trumphaters.

SERIOUSLY. Picture yourself as any trumphater such as cliffy, OB, or hoid for a moment.

See what I mean? I'll bet when you look out those eyes, you don't even recognize the planet you are on at all.

Major General Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed "Old Gimlet Eye",[1] was a senior United States Marine Corps officer who fought in both the Mexican Revolution and the World War I. Butler was, at the time of his death, the most decorated Marine in U.S. history.

During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean during the Banana Wars, and France in World War I. Butler later became an outspoken critic of American wars and their consequences. Butler also exposed an alleged plan to overthrow the United States government.

By the end of his career, Butler had received 16 medals, five for heroism. He is one of 19 men to receive the Medal of Honor twice, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal (along with Wendell Neville and David Porter) and the Medal of Honor, and the only Marine to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

Now I would take apart that whole article ( which is only a more complex meme than cliffy would use, but contains about the same amount of insanity), but I have noticed that that is a waste of time with you trumphaters. Facts being foreigners you would never let illegally migrate into your protectionist little heads.
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Walter

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Trump’s Lose-Lose Proposition in Korea
His exorbitant demands on the South alienate yet another ally in a dangerous region.
President Trump’s conviction that allies are getting American military protection at a bargain-basement price is well known. It is also dangerous, as his current tiff with South Korea demonstrates.
Mr. Trump has groused about the cost of keeping 28,000 American troops on the Korean Peninsula and has reportedly questioned whether they should be there at all. On Tuesday, his outlandish demand that the South Koreans roughly quintuple what they pay the United States led to an abrupt breakdown of negotiations on how to divide the cost.
In a troubling coincidence, the impasse came a day after North Korea — the main reason American troops are there — slapped down Mr. Trump’s tweet urging Kim Jong-un to revive talks on ending the North’s nuclear weapons program, which the president concluded with a playful, “See you soon!” Mr. Trump even postponed a scheduled joint Air Force exercise with South Korea to entice Mr. Kim to meet with him again. North Korea responded dismissively that it had “no intention to sit at the table with the tricky U.S.”
Talks with North Korea may yet resume, and the American troops in South Korea will not be leaving anytime soon, thanks in part to bipartisan congressional resistance to Mr. Trump’s dumping on allies while hobnobbing with dictators.
he Asia Reassurance Initiative Act, whose name boldly proclaims its intent, includes a requirement that the president justify any sanctions relief to North Korea before Congress. And the National Defense Authorization Act for 2019 bars using any military funding to reduce American forces in South Korea below 22,000, unless the secretary of defense can certify that allies have been consulted and that the reduction won’t harm their, or America’s, security.
Still, Mr. Trump’s mercantile approach to stationing American troops abroad is highly detrimental to America’s role in the world, and to its own security and prosperity. In effect, he reduces the Americans abroad to a for-profit mercenary force, willfully ignoring the fact that they have been stationed in South Korea since the end of the Korean War not only to protect the South Koreans, but as the front line of the free world. Their presence affirms America’s position as a bulwark against the ambitions of suspect actors, including China, a role that pays concrete dividends in peaceful trade. How the waning of American influence could play out was demonstrated by an announcement Sunday that the defense ministers of South Korea and China had signed an agreement on improving their security ties.
And South Korea is not getting a free ride, even by Mr. Trump’s abacus. Seoul pays almost half the cost of maintaining American troops in South Korea and spends much of its arms budget in the United States. Those same troops would cost far more to maintain on bases in the United States, and their duties in South Korea provide real-world training that exercises at home could never duplicate.
Perhaps most damaging, Mr. Trump’s unreasonable compensation demand undermines yet another alliance. South Koreans have consistently shown overwhelming support for their alliance with the United States, whether under dovish or hawkish presidents. Mr. Trump’s demands, however, have provoked outrage.
There is never a good time to squander political capital or weaken alliances, but this is an especially bad one in Asia. For all the hype about Mr. Trump’s meetings with North Korea’s dictator, the North is continuing to test missiles, while China is rapidly growing as a powerful and ambitious rival in Asia. And South Korea is entangled in a nasty feud with America’s other major Asian ally, Japan. Not surprisingly, Mr. Trump is also demanding that Japan fork out four times more than it has for American troops, though those negotiations are still some time off.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/21/opinion/trump-korea.html
Congrats, China.
NYT=prog shit.
 

Danbones

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"Facts being foreigners you would never let illegally migrate into your protectionist little heads."

Damn!
:)
I just quote myself.
 

NZDoug

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More treasonous stuff due to lack of common ideologies due to pardoning of war criminals.
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"Dear Mr. President:
It has been the extreme honor of a lifetime to stand alongside the men and women of the Navy and Marine Corps team in the protection of the American people and the values we all hold dear.
Together we have made great strides over the past two years. strengthening the foundation of our readiness, and bolstering our constellation of allies and partners, to respond wherever needed with the honor and professionalism that have marked our force for the past 244 years.
Now more than ever. the United States Navy and Marine Corps stands ready and firm in every part of the globe, fueled at all times by our greatest resource — the men and women who wear the uniform. Many of them will soon miss their Thanksgiving dinners at home so that they can continue the watch beyond the curve of the horizon. They and their families are, and will forever be my personal heroes.
As Secretary of the Navy. one the most important responsibilities 1 have to our people is to maintain good order and discipline throughout the ranks. I regard this as deadly serious business. The lives of our Sailors, Marines and civilian teammates quite literally depend on the professional execution of our many missions, and they also depend on the ongoing faith and support of the people we serve and the allies we serve alongside.
The rule of law is what sets us apart from our adversaries. Good order and discipline is what has enabled our victory against foreign tyranny time and again, from Captain Lawrence’s famous order ‘Don’t Give up the Ship,’ to the discipline and determination that propelled our flag to the highest point on Iwo Jima. The Constitution, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, are the shields that set us apart and the beacons that protect us all. Through my Title Ten Authority, I have strived to ensure our proceedings are fair, transparent and consistent, from the newest recruit to the Flag and General Officer level.
Unfortunately it has become apparent that in this respect. I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline. I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my flag and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.
The President deserves and should expect a Secretary of the Navy who is aligned with his vision for the future of our force generation and sustainment. Therefore. with pride in the achievements we’ve shared and everlasting faith in the continued service and fidelity of the finest Sailors Marines and civilian teammates on earth. I hereby acknowledge my termination as United States Secretary of the Navy to be effective immediately.
I will forever be grateful for every opportunity to have served, from my days as a Marine, to the extreme honor of serving as the 76th Secretary of the Navy. My wife Polly and I stand in appreciation and admiration of the patriots who today forge the next link in the unbroken chain of our Navy and Marine Corps and we urge all Americans to keep them, and their families, in their hearts and prayers through this holiday season and beyond.
Thank you once again for the opportunity to serve.
Respectfully yours,
Richard V. Spencer
President Trump confirmed the firing of Spencer on Sunday, a move ordered by Esper, who cited a loss of confidence in Spencer over his approach to the SEAL Eddie Gallagher case after he allegedly threatened to intervene in Gallagher’s case if the White House failed to."
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https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...-letter-to-trump-resigning-as-navy-secretary/
SAD.