Trump (not America) threatens NATO again…

Ron in Regina

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No, I’m not talking about Greenland or Ukraine or tariffs or other forms of economic coercion or nationalized bullying.
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U.S. President Donald Trump had a ‘warning’ for his NATO allies over the weekend – help the U.S. secure the Strait of Hormuz or suffer a “very bad future” as a consequence of the Iran war and the oil shock.
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“It’s only appropriate that people who are the beneficiaries of the Strait will help to make sure that nothing bad happens there,” Trump told the Financial Times.
1773808802865.jpeg“If there’s no response or if it’s a negative response I think it will be very bad for the future of NATO.”
1773808655180.jpeg(In 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress🤫)
1773808719518.jpegOn Monday, Trump said “numerous countries” had told him they were “on the way” to help the U.S. with the Strait of Hormuz?🤔

But Trump’s demands (not requests) have been met with a mixed response from countries around the world, including from U.S. allies.

Article Five of the NATO charter says an attack against (but does that mean “by”?) any NATO member will be treated like an attack on the whole alliance, but some experts say NATO allies are unclear on whether this is a NATO war.

“The U.S. administration has demonstrated over the past two weeks that it does not have a clear coherent strategy when it comes to this current conflict,” said Kevin Budning, director of scientific research at the CDA Institute.

“I don’t think Donald Trump gives his NATO allies any assurances that he has a clear policy,” Budning said, pointing to the changing rationale for why the U.S. launched the military operation, like the Trump administration officials have offered various and conflicting explanations for the war, such as to ward off an imminent Iranian threat, to pre-empt Iranian retaliation against US assets after an expected Israeli attack on Iran, to destroy Iran's missileand military capabilities, to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, to secure Iran's natural resources, and to achieve regime change by bringing the Iranian opposition to power, etc…

Iran effectively shut the Strait of Hormuz after the United States and Israel launched attacks against Iran more than two weeks ago, which kicked off an ongoing wave of repeated Iranian strikes across the Middle East and into neighbouring Gulf states.

Several U.S. allies said on Monday they had no immediate plans to send ships to unblock the Strait of Hormuz.

Germany, Spain and Italy were among allies that ruled out participating in any mission in the Gulf, at least for now.

Other countries were more circumspect, with Britain and Denmark saying they would consider ways they might help, but emphasizing a need to de-escalate and avoid getting dragged into the war.

China is noncommittal. France said they help when “circumstances permit.”

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said Monday that Britain is working with allies on a plan to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, but “will not be drawn into the wider war.”

Australia’s Transport Minister Catherine King told Australian Broadcasting Corp. on Monday that “we won’t be sending a ship to the Strait of Hormuz,” although she wasn’t aware of such a request from the U.S.

NATO members states may be walking a fine line, Budning said, trying to not upset Trump.“You might see some carrots and sticks,” he said.

“I think this is demonstrated in Canada’s policy where it supported the war, but it doesn’t want to intervene in the war. Canada is also considering its (bilateral) relationship with the United States,” he said, pointing to the upcoming trade negotiations between Canada and the U.S.

“Canada was not consulted, did not participate, and has no plans to participate in the offensive actions against Iran that are being undertaken by the U.S. and Israel,” a PMO readout stated last week.

Iranian strikes on NATO targets in the region might draw the alliance into the conflict, said Joseph Varner, a senior fellow with the McDonald-Laurier Institute, as opposed to Trumps threats and demands.

“They (Iranian IRGC) fired three ballistic missiles at Turkey, they’ve (the IRGC) hit the French naval facilities in the UAE, they (Guess who?) struck the camp that had Canadians in Kuwait, they’ve (IRGC) gone after the military bases in Iraq that have both Spanish and Italian forces at them,” he said.

“Whether or not NATO likes this, and whether or not they feel that they were properly consulted, the fact of the matter is that this has been dragged to the doorstep of NATO.”
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1773809161863.jpegIn the end, tough call, as the argument could be made that this war started long before 02/28/26.
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But tougher is justifying that this was due to an imminent threat of attack from Iran upon a NATO member…
 

Ron in Regina

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Article Five of the NATO charter says an attack against (but does that mean “by”?) any NATO member will be treated like an attack on the whole alliance, but some experts say NATO allies are unclear on whether this is a NATO war.1773812954151.jpeg
So yeah, NATO is a one way street where America protects NATO but NATO doesn’t protect America, etc…🤔
 

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No, I’m not talking about Greenland or Ukraine or tariffs or other forms of economic coercion or nationalized bullying.
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U.S. President Donald Trump had a ‘warning’ for his NATO allies over the weekend – help the U.S. secure the Strait of Hormuz or suffer a “very bad future” as a consequence of the Iran war and the oil shock.
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“It’s only appropriate that people who are the beneficiaries of the Strait will help to make sure that nothing bad happens there,” Trump told the Financial Times.
View attachment 33702“If there’s no response or if it’s a negative response I think it will be very bad for the future of NATO.”
View attachment 33699(In 2023, Congress enacted a law that prohibits the President from "suspend[ing], terminat[ing], denounc[ing], or withdraw[ing] the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty"—which established the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)—without the advice and consent of the Senate or an act of Congress🤫)
View attachment 33700On Monday, Trump said “numerous countries” had told him they were “on the way” to help the U.S. with the Strait of Hormuz?🤔

But Trump’s demands (not requests) have been met with a mixed response from countries around the world, including from U.S. allies.

Article Five of the NATO charter says an attack against (but does that mean “by”?) any NATO member will be treated like an attack on the whole alliance, but some experts say NATO allies are unclear on whether this is a NATO war.

“The U.S. administration has demonstrated over the past two weeks that it does not have a clear coherent strategy when it comes to this current conflict,” said Kevin Budning, director of scientific research at the CDA Institute.

“I don’t think Donald Trump gives his NATO allies any assurances that he has a clear policy,” Budning said, pointing to the changing rationale for why the U.S. launched the military operation, like the Trump administration officials have offered various and conflicting explanations for the war, such as to ward off an imminent Iranian threat, to pre-empt Iranian retaliation against US assets after an expected Israeli attack on Iran, to destroy Iran's missileand military capabilities, to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, to secure Iran's natural resources, and to achieve regime change by bringing the Iranian opposition to power, etc…

Iran effectively shut the Strait of Hormuz after the United States and Israel launched attacks against Iran more than two weeks ago, which kicked off an ongoing wave of repeated Iranian strikes across the Middle East and into neighbouring Gulf states.

Several U.S. allies said on Monday they had no immediate plans to send ships to unblock the Strait of Hormuz.

Germany, Spain and Italy were among allies that ruled out participating in any mission in the Gulf, at least for now.

Other countries were more circumspect, with Britain and Denmark saying they would consider ways they might help, but emphasizing a need to de-escalate and avoid getting dragged into the war.

China is noncommittal. France said they help when “circumstances permit.”

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said Monday that Britain is working with allies on a plan to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, but “will not be drawn into the wider war.”

Australia’s Transport Minister Catherine King told Australian Broadcasting Corp. on Monday that “we won’t be sending a ship to the Strait of Hormuz,” although she wasn’t aware of such a request from the U.S.

NATO members states may be walking a fine line, Budning said, trying to not upset Trump.“You might see some carrots and sticks,” he said.

“I think this is demonstrated in Canada’s policy where it supported the war, but it doesn’t want to intervene in the war. Canada is also considering its (bilateral) relationship with the United States,” he said, pointing to the upcoming trade negotiations between Canada and the U.S.

“Canada was not consulted, did not participate, and has no plans to participate in the offensive actions against Iran that are being undertaken by the U.S. and Israel,” a PMO readout stated last week.

Iranian strikes on NATO targets in the region might draw the alliance into the conflict, said Joseph Varner, a senior fellow with the McDonald-Laurier Institute, as opposed to Trumps threats and demands.

“They (Iranian IRGC) fired three ballistic missiles at Turkey, they’ve (the IRGC) hit the French naval facilities in the UAE, they (Guess who?) struck the camp that had Canadians in Kuwait, they’ve (IRGC) gone after the military bases in Iraq that have both Spanish and Italian forces at them,” he said.

“Whether or not NATO likes this, and whether or not they feel that they were properly consulted, the fact of the matter is that this has been dragged to the doorstep of NATO.”
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View attachment 33707In the end, tough call, as the argument could be made that this war started long before 02/28/26.
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But tougher is justifying that this was due to an imminent threat of attack from Iran upon a NATO member…
President Trump makes a good point considering China and India are the 2 largest customers of Iranian oil. Where are they?

I take his comments to infer that if the terrorist regime is allowed to resurface, the future will not be as good as if they did not. The goal is world peace.

Imagine the show of force China could do. Does India not have a navy?

Canada can't risk the 1 boat they have so good to refuse on moral grounds.

Of course back in the good old days of the Democrats everyone just did whatever they wanted to do. Add a little mainstream media to keep the fire stoked and they'll be back in power before you know it.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Anywho, in a post on his Truth Social network on Wednesday, the US president appeared to be suggesting that the US could “finish off” (?) Iran and then leave (?) responsibility for securing the strait of Hormuz to allied countries (?) that depend on it, a familiar nod to his longstanding complaints about burden-sharing

“I wonder what would happen if we ‘finished off’ what’s left of the Iranian Terror State, and let the Countries that use it, we don’t, be responsible for the so called ‘Straight?’,” Trump said. “That would get some of our non-responsive ‘Allies’ in gear, and fast!!!”

(In pornographic or explicit slang, "finish off" refers to the final act of ejaculation or achieving orgasm, often in the context of a specific, last action performed to bring someone to that point)

“Clean up in aisle four! Clean up in aisle four.”
 

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“I wonder what would happen if we ‘finished off’ what’s left of the Iranian Terror State, and let the Countries that use it, we don’t, be responsible for the so called ‘Straight?’,” Trump said. “That would get some of our non-responsive ‘Allies’ in gear, and fast!!!”
You'd still be functionally illiterate, moron.
 

Ron in Regina

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Gulf Arab states did not ask the U.S. to go to war with Iran, but many are now urging it not to stop short by leaving the Islamic Republic still able to threaten the Gulf’s oil lifeline and the economies that depend on it, three Gulf sources told Reuters.

At the same time, these sources and five Western and Arab diplomats said Washington ‌was pressing Gulf states to join the U.S.-Israeli war. According to three of them, President Donald Trump wants to show regional backing for the campaign, to bolster its international legitimacy as well as support at home.

Tehran has already demonstrated its reach, attacking airports, ports, oil facilities and commercial hubs in the six Gulf states with missiles and drones while disrupting shipping through the Strait of Hormuz - the artery carrying about a fifth of global oil and underpinning Gulf economies.

The attacks have reinforced Gulf fears that leaving Iran with any significant offensive weaponry or arms manufacturing capacity could embolden it to hold the ⁠region’s energy lifeline hostage whenever tensions rise.

As the war entered its third week, with U.S. and Israeli airstrikes intensifying and Iran firing at U.S. bases and civilian targets across the Gulf, a Gulf source said the prevailing mood among leaders was unmistakable: that Trump should comprehensively degrade Iran's military capacity.
Anywho, in a post on his Truth Social network on Wednesday, the US president appeared to be suggesting that the US could “finish off” (?) Iran and then leave (?) responsibility for securing the strait of Hormuz to allied countries (?) that depend on it, a familiar nod to his longstanding complaints about burden-sharing
"If the Americans pull out before the task is complete, we’ll be left to confront Iran on our own,” Sager said.
“I wonder what would happen if we ‘finished off’ what’s left of the Iranian Terror State, and let the Countries that use it, we don’t, be responsible for the so called ‘Straight?’,” Trump said. “That would get some of our non-responsive ‘Allies’ in gear, and fast!!!”
At heart, the Arab Gulf states face a strategic dilemma, said Fawaz Gerges of the ⁠London School of Economics: balancing the immediate threat of Iranian attacks against the far greater risk of being drawn into a war led by the U.S. and Israel.

Joining that campaign, he said, would add little to Washington’s military superiority while sharply increasing exposure to Iranian reprisals. The result is calculated restraint: defending sovereignty and signalling red lines without entering a war the Gulf countries neither started nor control.