Tricking Americans into supporting war - Zinn interview

[Northboy]

Hooterville guy, l am glad l am able to help educate you, while you are not my intended audience, l haven't mentioned anything about Canada, l am merely explaining the situation in regard to the legal aspects of the Iraqi war.

This is about the war, okay, pick another thread if you wish to discuss something that makes sense cuz currently l see no contribution from you...

This is a Canadian Forum..

No education in what you're posting, but I'm too busy with important stuff to explain it to you...

I'll leave you to your own swill......

 

[northstar]

hooterville boy, "swill" ??? hMMMMM...now where is a moderator when you need one, obviously you are just into childish insults which is against the forum rules, and l know because l have been given a resounding punishment LOL in the past and learnt my lesson, so l hope the moderators act on what you have done to insult me without contributing anything.

As well, you are incorrect in your insults, the least you can do when trying to appear intelligent is to keep focused on the thread...the thread is about the American side of things, thus l was contributing to the thread correctly with information to do with issues brought up by other contributors who l happen to disagree with.

If you are going to be childish with your insults at least keep your focus...

Moderators please note the number of times this Hooterville boy has continued to harrass and try to insult me.:evil3: :wave: :smilebox:

 

[Toro]

Canada has enough oil for herself, Europe has plenty in the North Sea and probably Russia, don't know about Australia, South America is fine ... seems to me the only Western country that is desperately in need of oil is the good old US of A and so far Canada is even able to meet their exhorbintant needs. The US also seem to be pretty good at deceiving the Western World into fighting their oil battles for them, most notably the terrific idea about putting Canadians in Afghanistan on the front lines and Americans in the brothels ... er ... I mean behind the front lines (maybe I mean the imaginery WMD in Iraq). The West has indeed paid enough to assist the US with their oil shortage so maybe the US should go without, or even better, use their superiority to develop a replacement for oil - like solar energy, hydrogen, whatever. Alternatively, they can just buy their oil from some other country at the risk of losing their status as the rich, self-sufficient, superior nation.

Most countries are net importers of oil.

"Europe" does not have plenty in the North Sea as the beds are in decline. North Sea reserves are British and Norwegian. Norway is not part of the EU and I think you'd have an argument with Blackleaf that the UK and France are the same. Much of European heating is done with natural gas, of which Europe is becoming more reliant upon Russia. If Russia turned off gas exports, much of Europe would freeze. Simple as that.

Japan imports pretty much all its oil. The emerging powers of China and India are net importers of energy.

In South America, Ecuador, Bolivia and Venezuela are net exporters. Every one else is a net importer.

 

[northstar]

Most countries are net importers of oil.

"Europe" does not have plenty in the North Sea as the beds are in decline. North Sea reserves are British and Norwegian. Norway is not part of the EU and I think you'd have an argument with Blackleaf that the UK and France are the same. Much of European heating is done with natural gas, of which Europe is becoming more reliant upon Russia. If Russia turned off gas exports, much of Europe would freeze. Simple as that.

Japan imports pretty much all its oil. The emerging powers of China and India are net importers of energy.

In South America, Ecuador, Bolivia and Venezuela are net exporters. Every one else is a net importer.

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Rex Murphy

--toro

Thanks for that information Toro. The situation in the Middle-East has only been escalating because of the Bumper opium harvest, and also the historical and current funding by the Oil, much of which is from the Saudis'. As long as the Middle-East has money to fund the education of children that is all wrapped up in the hatred and terrorism of Islam, and money is funding terrorism training camps, and money is funding these weapons, the terror of Isam will never end since the relgion that lights the fire in their belly is hatred and violence.

The ONLY way l can see this turning around is if we learn from our mistakes. It is like in life, when you make a mistake and get hurt, yu can continue doing it over and over to yourself, or you can pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and think over the situation without all the emotion attached.

The money that these people need is from the Western World, and we are sitting on the edge of our seats waiting with baited breath whether every event might effect the gas prices, or our heating or air conditioning bills. We are so wrapped up in the oil it is no wonder that the terrorists are thriving...

The financal support of the Middle-East HAS to end...it is vital.

Now they have nuclear.

We have to support our own countries to put our economy in a position where solar and wind and alternative sources of power are a priority. The middle-east has such a current abundance of wealth they do not need any aid at all. NOT AT ALL.

Our charity is the biggest joke. It is being abused. While the Saudis and the other sources of income are being put into weaponry and terrorist training, we have in fact freed up their own responsibility.

It is time this war on terrorism stops being funded by the WEST, the relgious core of hatred should not be helped in any way by us. They in fact have such an abundance of wealth they are more than able to fight within themselves to get their world straight. The Israeli's are the only group of people who have consistantly kept their world and been honorable in discussions, even giving up land for peace. But to the hate filled Muhammad followers they will never stop until they WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP.

The pipeline of wealth has to stop, it is the only way l can see this reign of ISLAMIC TERROR can be dried up.
OUR WORLD IS AT STAKE.

 

[northstar]

this is one of the on line surveys that acknowledges that these countries are terroist supporter and their oil should not be purchased

http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/

even while canada produces oil we are still importing and so this is our problem as well.

 

[Karlin]

cut off pipeline

northstar quoted:
"It is time for the US and Canada to cut off money to the middle -east . Our vehicles and use of oil is in fact funding terrorism, to the tune of half a billion a week. Opium, cocaine, heroine, is a huge epidemic problem that again funds terrorist activities."

So ya, lets do without the middle eastern oil, that would help global warming as well as reduce funding for terrorists.
There is no doubt that oil money has funded the rise of terrorism.

Opium too - lots of money from that for terrorists. I say we bring that poppy crop home to Canada and pay the poppy farmers directly so that the drug lords will not get the funds [Afghan growers must sell their poppy crops to drug lord.
This would also kill two birds with one stone - heroin addicts would not be committing crimes in Canadian cities if they had a supply of their drug, and terrorists would have less money to blow things up with.

In these examples there is certainly some hard truths being faced up to,like where terrorists get money from and why addicts commit crimes - now only if we had the guts to do the right thing.

Ya, me again

 

[northstar]

The opium is needed for pharmacuiticals. We have the Oil Sands, which have actually cut the oil money of the U.S funds going to the middle-east and re-directed some of that nice US change into Canada.
Solar and wind energy needs to be developed. All of these things will help but they are not the solution and l haven't a clue what is.

 

[Northboy]

The opium is needed for pharmacuiticals. We have the Oil Sands, which have actually cut the oil money of the U.S funds going to the middle-east and re-directed some of that nice US change into Canada.
Solar and wind energy needs to be developed. All of these things will help but they are not the solution and l haven't a clue what is.

Another part of the solution may be the development of carbon based fuel sources from organics, such as charcoal. Charcoal is a clean, high performance fuel which with the right appliances ( boilers, ammonium based coolers, etc ) could provide long term solutions for energy needs on a localized basis.

Short term, North american oil reserves can buy us time, but mid to long term, we are forced with converting to a carbon - based energy foundation... Not all the answers either, just my 2 bits...

Merry Christmas, northstar...

 

[jimmoyer]

So ya, lets do without the middle eastern oil, that would help global warming as well as reduce funding for terrorists.
There is no doubt that oil money has funded the rise of terrorism.

Opium too - lots of money from that for terrorists. I say we bring that poppy crop home to Canada and pay the poppy farmers directly so that the drug lords will not get the funds [Afghan growers must sell their poppy crops to drug lord.
This would also kill two birds with one stone - heroin addicts would not be committing crimes in Canadian cities if they had a supply of their drug, and terrorists would have less money to blow things up with.

In these examples there is certainly some hard truths being faced up to,like where terrorists get money from and why addicts commit crimes - now only if we had the guts to do the right thing.
-----------------------------------------KARLIN----------------------------------------------------------------------

Agreed Karlin. I think most people agree on that point. Of all political persuasions.

Good posts, Toro and Northstar.