Tricking Americans into supporting war - Zinn interview
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Patriotic tricks
Well this thread certainly got off on some hatefull tangents. "Waste of Skin" harkens back to some evil Nazi crimes, and even tho it was in support of my original post, it doesn't feel too good.
I hope I didn't inspire hate with my post. I think there has been a concerted effort to inspire hate between us all, and we just fall into that trap by spreading it.
"Tell them they are being attacked and denounce opponents as being un-patriotic" rings so clearly as propaganda, and we have heard it verbatim from Bush.
Trouble is, people are STILL believing it.
Well this thread certainly got off on some hatefull tangents. "Waste of Skin" harkens back to some evil Nazi crimes, and even tho it was in support of my original post, it doesn't feel too good.
I hope I didn't inspire hate with my post. I think there has been a concerted effort to inspire hate between us all, and we just fall into that trap by spreading it.
"Tell them they are being attacked and denounce opponents as being un-patriotic" rings so clearly as propaganda, and we have heard it verbatim from Bush.
Trouble is, people are STILL believing it.
As long as people are prepared to fool themselves and buy the sizzle instead of looking for the steak…we will continue to live with the outrage of injustice. Some injustice will occur as a natural outgrowth of the democratic system, it can’t be any other way. Despite the notion that the “will of the majority” underwrites this system of government, there are few (and damn few if Canadian Content is any indication) people prepared to acknowledge the facts.
FACT: It has been the responsibility of successive Canadian governments to address the plight of Canada’s indigenous peoples. This effort (or lack thereof) has been witnessed by Canadians for decades. From inadequate funding to ineptitude of gross proportions, the “problem” of native Canadians remains just as serious today as it did fifty years ago.
FACT: Every Canadian hears volumes about welfare fraud, waste in social services and a constant stream of tales of abuse of the system by people who are ineligible to receive benefits…receiving benefits. The way this situation has been “dealt-with” is to pin the responsibility for the problem on the poor and disabled. While there are people more than prepared to abuse the system, a system of checks and balances adequate to the task of protecting taxpayer dollars has never been implemented. The dehumanizing pogrom of the Harris government in Ontario is the child of Arthur Anderson, the same accounting firm behind the Enron scandal, given a mandate by the Harris government to tighten the system so that fraud would be much more difficult. What happened is the system was so focused on the relatively minor amounts siphoned off by phonies that the entire process became abusive to those who were legitimately in need.
FACT: Governments and big business have squandered millions upon millions of dollars of both taxpayer and investor’s money yet the fraudulent welfare recipient is branded as the larger evil….
FACT: Canadian governments have in the name of supporting economic interrelationships with our largest trading partner surrendered Canada’s ability to stand alone as an independent nation among nations. When the U.S. coughs, Canada gets a cold….
Canada has no national defense capability PERIOD. We paid someone to design and build an emergency prepared-ness facility called the Disaster Assistance Response Team…and it was designed so that only if you had heavy lift capability to get it where it’s needed…could it be used and yet does Canada have any heavy-lift capability up to the task? NO! And this makes sense to you?
We’ve known (Canada) that the Devils Lake problem would eventually in all likelihood involve Canadian watersheds…what did several governments do to address this potential…NOTHING!
NAFTA was (arguable) a good idea that was then… as characterized by Brian Mulroney “stuffed-down-their-throats” gone bad, because honesty is a rare commodity amid the lofty spires of big-money. Principles values and ethics become expendable in the face of lower than expected returns and sagging bottom lines….
Canada despite having at best a token military…enough to allow politicians to pretend Canada able to meet our commitments to NATO and United Nations peacekeeping missions…and failed to do even this adequately. And yet our government went out and purchased antique submarines that have cost taxpayers millions to say nothing of future debt and the life of a Canadian seaman.
Canada has watched helicopter purchase plans bungled after bungling…at the cost of millions to Canadian taxpayers with no one held accountable and no recovery of those millions ever mentioned or sought for…. And yet depending on which chorus of horsepucky fed to the people you listen to, we have a “surplus” and we also have an enormous debt that has to be “serviced”…
I think we ought to apply the lessons of our America friends and simply implement strategies and policies to take money owed to us by industry and other governments directly at the border and through commerce tariffs and the like….
Canadians watched as millions/billions (extremely more than was initially cited as the cost) were spent to address crime through “gun control” and “gun registry”….with an outcome of highly dubious quality and moot effectiveness…
The reality is that measures in place in Canada for decades vis-à-vis firearms and gun-control have been plea-bargained away during trial with the resultant backlash that the law itself is held responsible whereas the actual problem is in enforcement and application of existing legislation. Violence committed against any person (unless its in a hockey rink of course…) ought not be tolerated by any society that seeks to establish peaceful co-existence among individuals PERIOD. A firearm used in the commission of a particular crime became the easy focus of a band-aid mentality to a perceptual “issue” while domestic crime continues to decline to the lowest levels ever.
So is there really a danger posed by these horrific events, as witnessed in Montreal and Taber to the larger population that demands focus and attention be redirected away from issues that effect everyone personally on a daily basis….
No in fact there isn’t and much like the hysteria and sub-tone of anxiety that throbs behind the American psyche, it’s fed by a media engine that directs our attention and frequently influences our decision-making without our being consciously aware of that influence…
George Bush et al. used a criminal act to take America to war. A war conceived on a faulty premise supported by highly dubious intelligence and fraught with potentially terminal political consequences. Wars cost money.
Canada has been and with all apologies and genuflections to my friend Curiosity, become the idiot cousin to the mill owner’s son…America.
It’s reasonable to expect that relationships involving trade amounting to astronomical figures, divided among the wealthiest entrepreneurs and businessmen involved in business and politics…there is no separating the two in the final analysis…will necessarily involve perhaps waving off your son brother, sister or father as he/she sets off to perform his duty on behalf of all Canadians, to Afghanistan or the Congo or Cyprus or …I waved good bye to my father and family forever…
These dollar-decisions involving multi-million dollar malfeasance and waste that we all see coming out of the Auditor Generals Offices across Canada from Newfoundland to British Columbia illustrating how large this problem is often gets lost in the shadow of other issues like Maher Arar or more dramatic coverage of events.
Gee I wonder how that happens??
I’ve barely skimmed the surface and I’m sure many folk will dismiss the contribution as more “hatred”, but it’s not about hate it’s about survival.
Tricking Americans into supporting war _Zinn interview
The Iraq war is not the first time the US gouv. has tricked the Americans. This first time was the beginning of the US-Spanish War when a US battleship commander (I can't remember his name but if you want it I will search for it) attached another US battleship destoying it and said that they had been attached by the Spaniards.
Then there was Pearl Harbour where many Americans were killed, all this was orchestrated by FDR because he wanted and excuse to enter the war: http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/pearl25.html
Then there is Iraq where the US administration again used the death of innocent Americans together with propaganda to convience the people that they should sacrifice there love ones.
US soldiers are the ones dying at the whim of a self gratifying gouv. that wants its name to go down in history as fighting for the people. Of course there are be writers who will right not the whole truth but will
further the propaganda into the future as has been done with past history.
When I see things like this I get p.........sed off. I am wandering if our Canadian gouv. is not doing a snowjob on us as well. Unless I missed it they never told us when the mission in Afghanistan changed or we never noticed. We will have to be much more alert, ask more questions and not blindly believe our politicans at face value.
The Iraq war is not the first time the US gouv. has tricked the Americans. This first time was the beginning of the US-Spanish War when a US battleship commander (I can't remember his name but if you want it I will search for it) attached another US battleship destoying it and said that they had been attached by the Spaniards.
Then there was Pearl Harbour where many Americans were killed, all this was orchestrated by FDR because he wanted and excuse to enter the war: http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/pearl25.html
Then there is Iraq where the US administration again used the death of innocent Americans together with propaganda to convience the people that they should sacrifice there love ones.
US soldiers are the ones dying at the whim of a self gratifying gouv. that wants its name to go down in history as fighting for the people. Of course there are be writers who will right not the whole truth but will
further the propaganda into the future as has been done with past history.
When I see things like this I get p.........sed off. I am wandering if our Canadian gouv. is not doing a snowjob on us as well. Unless I missed it they never told us when the mission in Afghanistan changed or we never noticed. We will have to be much more alert, ask more questions and not blindly believe our politicans at face value.
You are wrong about the Spanish-American War. The war began when the USS Maine sank in Havana harbour after a huge explosion, probably the result of an accident in her forward magazines. 262 died. Teddy Roosevelt, who was merely Acting Secretary of the Navy, used the explosion as an excuse to blame the Spanish, and put the Navy on full war footing. Probably TR believed the Spanish had blown the Maine up, and he was determined to see war, and he was not a man to be easily turned from a path......He practically whiped President McKinley down the path to war ahead of him. Teddy them resigned from gov't so he could actively fight in the war. When no regular Army regiment would take him, he raised his own, and saw combat in Cuba.
Teddy was an Imperialist with a capital "I". He was also one one the very best presidents ever to serve the American people. He had, at least, the courage of his convictions, and was personally involved in the fighting.
The very idea that FDR was responsible for Pearl Harbour is completely idiotic. The article you list claims FDR and the USA was strangling the Japanese economically, forcing them to war. What these idiots forget is Japan had already been at war for years, her Imperial plan for the complete domination of Asia already well under way in China. And a bloody bunch of butchers they were. Damn, they murdered 350,000 civilians in Nanking alone, that is AFTER the surrender. They declared every female of 12 and over a "free prostitute", they cleared hospitals by bayonetting all the patients, etc. You people have no ceoncept of how absolutely evil Imperial Japan was..............
The United States and Britain stood in her way. War was inevitable. But FDR did not know the place or the time, and he is COMPLETELY innocent of any responsibility for the beginning.
You forget that the Japs also attacked British and Canadian troops on Dec. 7.............at Hong Kong.
The United States and Britain stood in her way. War was inevitable. But FDR did not know the place or the time, and he is COMPLETELY innocent of any responsibility for the beginning.
You forget that the Japs also attacked British and Canadian troops on Dec. 7.............at Hong Kong.
Not about America
Besides, my remarks weren’t intended to paint the U.S. as the global “evil-doer”, a nation is responsible for its government and if the people of the United States exercising their democratic right approved and supported America’s wars carte blanche then fine but I’m sure that there are a few million Americans who’d argue the point.
The troubles we see emanating throughout the world are product of the same kinds of issues as every similar kind of conflict we’ve ever seen before. We haven’t learned a damn thing!
Colpy, you endorse the “walk softly and carry a big stick policy” that you’ve applied in discussions in these threads by stating that you think it’s perfectly acceptable for the police of a nation to simply shoot protesters and those whose behavior is regarded as violently aggressive as opposed to “peaceful demonstration”…. At the same time as you’d support the “law and order at the point of a gun” thinking do you also accept that the legacy of western nations arming Afghanistan to rout the Soviets, arming the Contras to rout the Sandanistas, etc. I know there’s no problem as far as you’re concerned with arming the Israelis….
Even though those arms are used not to defend the people of the United States but to influence regimes in nations that have some interest (resources) to the American industrial machinery? Is the policy of taking it upon yourself as a nation to police the world in the effort to defeat communism worth building the resentment anger and hatred that has resulted? And to what end?
Do you honestly believe that a system as poorly managed and as thoroughly corrupt as any capitalist government…the Soviet regime collapsed because the banana crop in Nicaragua, or the cane crop in Haiti or the oil reserves in Venezuela have been “protected” by American intrusion?
Do you believe that the United States was targeted by these criminals from Saudi Arabia because the Saudi family has engendered justice and equality among its citizens? Or any American supported regime from the Philippines to South America has necessitated intervention because of an issue of principles or law…or didn’t it have much more to do with keeping the machinery of commerce in the United States well lubricated…..
As a staunch conservative and I would suspect a champion of “free-enterprise”, is there any availability in your consideration to the reaction and sentiments this kind of policy will inevitably produce throughout the world?
Isn’t the attitude “walk softly and carry a big stick” not at the heart of the creation and maintenance of the Cold War and hasn’t the attitude that “he with the biggest stick…navy…atomic arsenal has the right to dictate to everyone else exactly that of the bully and the tyrant?
It’s the process of government that concerns me not the feeble arguments and fear mongering that has been used by everyone from Genghis Khan to George Bush to inspire fear in a population and thereby rally success to practice war….
When a condition persists over time, like the second-class status of Aboriginals, like the failure of Canadian government to conduct itself with integrity in international commerce, like the legacy of broken promises that have cost Canadians millions upon millions of dollars that could have gone to pay the deficit…that could have magnificently improved healthcare and education…that could have been spent on attacking global warming and pollution of all kinds …that could have been spent attacking systemic poverty and injustice……that’s what we lose when we continue to believe that everything is just swell and we play this silly game of blaming conservatives or liberals or ndp’s while our governments wallow in ill gotten gain and provide the worst possible example to our children….
Who will hold these people responsible Colpy, those who slurp down the six o’clock news with their beer and chips or those who question everything and demand answers?
We don’t do that in Canada and the result is that we see the same “social issues” arise time and time again.
Are Canadians incapable of learning?
Besides, my remarks weren’t intended to paint the U.S. as the global “evil-doer”, a nation is responsible for its government and if the people of the United States exercising their democratic right approved and supported America’s wars carte blanche then fine but I’m sure that there are a few million Americans who’d argue the point.
The troubles we see emanating throughout the world are product of the same kinds of issues as every similar kind of conflict we’ve ever seen before. We haven’t learned a damn thing!
Colpy, you endorse the “walk softly and carry a big stick policy” that you’ve applied in discussions in these threads by stating that you think it’s perfectly acceptable for the police of a nation to simply shoot protesters and those whose behavior is regarded as violently aggressive as opposed to “peaceful demonstration”…. At the same time as you’d support the “law and order at the point of a gun” thinking do you also accept that the legacy of western nations arming Afghanistan to rout the Soviets, arming the Contras to rout the Sandanistas, etc. I know there’s no problem as far as you’re concerned with arming the Israelis….
Even though those arms are used not to defend the people of the United States but to influence regimes in nations that have some interest (resources) to the American industrial machinery? Is the policy of taking it upon yourself as a nation to police the world in the effort to defeat communism worth building the resentment anger and hatred that has resulted? And to what end?
Do you honestly believe that a system as poorly managed and as thoroughly corrupt as any capitalist government…the Soviet regime collapsed because the banana crop in Nicaragua, or the cane crop in Haiti or the oil reserves in Venezuela have been “protected” by American intrusion?
Do you believe that the United States was targeted by these criminals from Saudi Arabia because the Saudi family has engendered justice and equality among its citizens? Or any American supported regime from the Philippines to South America has necessitated intervention because of an issue of principles or law…or didn’t it have much more to do with keeping the machinery of commerce in the United States well lubricated…..
As a staunch conservative and I would suspect a champion of “free-enterprise”, is there any availability in your consideration to the reaction and sentiments this kind of policy will inevitably produce throughout the world?
Isn’t the attitude “walk softly and carry a big stick” not at the heart of the creation and maintenance of the Cold War and hasn’t the attitude that “he with the biggest stick…navy…atomic arsenal has the right to dictate to everyone else exactly that of the bully and the tyrant?
It’s the process of government that concerns me not the feeble arguments and fear mongering that has been used by everyone from Genghis Khan to George Bush to inspire fear in a population and thereby rally success to practice war….
When a condition persists over time, like the second-class status of Aboriginals, like the failure of Canadian government to conduct itself with integrity in international commerce, like the legacy of broken promises that have cost Canadians millions upon millions of dollars that could have gone to pay the deficit…that could have magnificently improved healthcare and education…that could have been spent on attacking global warming and pollution of all kinds …that could have been spent attacking systemic poverty and injustice……that’s what we lose when we continue to believe that everything is just swell and we play this silly game of blaming conservatives or liberals or ndp’s while our governments wallow in ill gotten gain and provide the worst possible example to our children….
Who will hold these people responsible Colpy, those who slurp down the six o’clock news with their beer and chips or those who question everything and demand answers?
We don’t do that in Canada and the result is that we see the same “social issues” arise time and time again.
Are Canadians incapable of learning?
--Karlin
You did not hear it verbatim, Karlin, you have absolutely no source so stop making us information.
AS for your stance on promoting hate, you bagan this thread with a hateful, nasty fable by someone you admire, so that's what you began, and what has been promoted on this thread is conflicting points of view, which , may l remind you, is the purpose in participating. l see it as a labour of love, for my efforts, for the truth needs to be shown to those who are unaware, as l was at the on-set of this world war...
Their is no hatred at the core of truth, and their is no hatred if an effort is being made to understand.
So why don't you get off of your high horse and stop publishing mis-information.
yes he did
Really? - you are telling me that GW Bush did NOT say that "America is under threat of attack" and that opponents to his War on Terror "are unpatriotic"?
What were those "color coded threat alerts?
And what else could he have meant by bringing up the issue of patriotism so much, especially as it relates to opponents of the invasion of Iraq? He SAID opponents were "unpatriotic".
He even went so far as to say that his opponents on invading Iraq were not supporting the military troops, which is just twisted rhetoric - do you think Cindy Sheehan was not supportive of "troops" when her own son [now dead] was one of them? Of course she supports "the troops", but the issue was the Bush inspired military action that abused the troops by using them for "oilfield security" that benefitted large corporations.
PS -
---to my supporters:
- should we call ourselves patriots for being on the side of morality, because our national interests are best served with moral behaviors?
Really? - you are telling me that GW Bush did NOT say that "America is under threat of attack" and that opponents to his War on Terror "are unpatriotic"?
What were those "color coded threat alerts?
And what else could he have meant by bringing up the issue of patriotism so much, especially as it relates to opponents of the invasion of Iraq? He SAID opponents were "unpatriotic".
He even went so far as to say that his opponents on invading Iraq were not supporting the military troops, which is just twisted rhetoric - do you think Cindy Sheehan was not supportive of "troops" when her own son [now dead] was one of them? Of course she supports "the troops", but the issue was the Bush inspired military action that abused the troops by using them for "oilfield security" that benefitted large corporations.
PS -
---to my supporters:
- should we call ourselves patriots for being on the side of morality, because our national interests are best served with moral behaviors?
You can ramble on and on about your opinion, but that is all it is, you have not provided any source, nor have you provided proof.
You started this thread with the utter nonsence of this terrorist sympathizer [and they are baby murderers by the way], who is just a hate-monger, and then you make unfounded comments that are entirely your version of reality with no prooof and no source what-so-ever.
You started this thread with the utter nonsence of this terrorist sympathizer [and they are baby murderers by the way], who is just a hate-monger, and then you make unfounded comments that are entirely your version of reality with no prooof and no source what-so-ever.
There sure are, currently and in the past.
Their actions in Central and South America in the last century were nasty in the extreme. There support of dictators such as the ruling families of El Salvador, Nicaragua's Somoza and Chile's Pinochet, to say nothing of there complicity in the murder of Allende, are absolutely indefensible.
Their current close ties with Saudi Arabia, among others, do not make me happy.
I consider the Patriot Act, like our anti-terror legislation, to be a travesty.
I did a thesis on the beginnings of the Vietnam War, from the time the USA trained and armed Ho Chi Minh against the Japanese. Their abandonment of him was a huge mistake, made in favour of their "allies" the French. It was mostly the result of a radical change in foreign policy after the untimely death of FDR, and the elevation of Truman.
Need I go on?
I am not a blind follower of anything.........but I am also bright enough to realize that the Americans are NOT Imperialist by nature, that they ARE our natural allies (sharing the same continent, roots, language, and English Common law), they ARE a free nation.............
That gets them a LOT of leeway, IMHO.
Especially when compared to the likes of Imperial Japan.............or the Arab/Persian states.
I think the police have a right to defend themselves if attacked, as does the state. Most of the rest of the above statement is true, except that I most emphatically did NOT support the Contras.
I'm not sure the current conflicts in the ME had anything to do with capitalism, communism, or the Cold War...........and my opinions on the Americas can be seen above. Communism HAD to be defeated...........but sometimes (as in the Americas) the USA used Nukes when Fly Swatters or honey would have worked better.
I've answered that part of this, and as for capitalism, it is the worst of any possible systems......except for all the others. (Apologies to Winston Churchill)
I think the West has paid a fair price for her oil.......to governments in the ME that have kept the riches and let their people stagnate.........and allowed criticism to be reflected from them by encouraging radical Islam. As well, I think the current clash of civilizations has roots 1000 years old..........as evidenced by the dream of Islamists to reconquer all formerly Muslim land captured in previous Jihad......that includes the Ibeian Peninsula. (Spain and Portugal)
The rest of your post was just preachy, IMHO.
Canada has enough oil for herself, Europe has plenty in the North Sea and probably Russia, don't know about Australia, South America is fine ... seems to me the only Western country that is desperately in need of oil is the good old US of A and so far Canada is even able to meet their exhorbintant needs. The US also seem to be pretty good at deceiving the Western World into fighting their oil battles for them, most notably the terrific idea about putting Canadians in Afghanistan on the front lines and Americans in the brothels ... er ... I mean behind the front lines (maybe I mean the imaginery WMD in Iraq). The West has indeed paid enough to assist the US with their oil shortage so maybe the US should go without, or even better, use their superiority to develop a replacement for oil - like solar energy, hydrogen, whatever. Alternatively, they can just buy their oil from some other country at the risk of losing their status as the rich, self-sufficient, superior nation.
Preachy or not Colpy, have we learned any other way of dealing with resources issues, with human rights issues, with oppressive tyrannical regimes, with broken trade deals, with unsettling or potentially dangerous financial and military alliances etc. etc...?
NO the attitude still is unpack the weapons and let loose the dogs of war.... and never mind considering any other alternative...
That's my preach Colpy...we haven't evolved at all as a species when it comes to addressing injustices and inequity. Now perhaps 34 million years isn't enough for that kind of evolution to take place so isn't it kind of silly expecting anything other than the chaos we live with?
And will it all matter when this planet is finally free of the plague of the human species....
NO the attitude still is unpack the weapons and let loose the dogs of war.... and never mind considering any other alternative...
That's my preach Colpy...we haven't evolved at all as a species when it comes to addressing injustices and inequity. Now perhaps 34 million years isn't enough for that kind of evolution to take place so isn't it kind of silly expecting anything other than the chaos we live with?
And will it all matter when this planet is finally free of the plague of the human species....
Let pre-menopausal rule the world and everything will be fine, peace will reign. flowers will bloom, children will play and everyone will be happy, let post-menopausal women rule the world and it will be the same as what men have managed. At least we'll have someone different to blame.
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```I’m sure many folk will dismiss the contribution as more “hatred”, but it’s not about hate it’s about survival. ```
When they say "hate", it's often their way of attempting to negate or to sidestep the truth.
Today, Oregon Senator Gordon Smith finally said (yes, FINALLY!) that Bush's lies that led to the world are damn near "criminal".
Here's an excerpt:
""I, for one, am at the end of my rope when it comes to supporting a policy that has our soldiers patrolling the same streets in the same way, being blown up by the same bombs day after day. That is absurd. It may even be criminal. I cannot support that anymore....I would have never voted for this conflict had I reason to believe that the intelligence we had was not accurate. It was not accurate, but that is history.”"
How true!
When they say "hate", it's often their way of attempting to negate or to sidestep the truth.
Today, Oregon Senator Gordon Smith finally said (yes, FINALLY!) that Bush's lies that led to the world are damn near "criminal".
Here's an excerpt:
""I, for one, am at the end of my rope when it comes to supporting a policy that has our soldiers patrolling the same streets in the same way, being blown up by the same bombs day after day. That is absurd. It may even be criminal. I cannot support that anymore....I would have never voted for this conflict had I reason to believe that the intelligence we had was not accurate. It was not accurate, but that is history.”"
How true!
if my reply struck a nerve Milky and this truth came out then l am glad, because SOME of what you said l totally agree with and l am glad that someone has pinned it down-
This l agree with, and beleive it or not everyone the Native People are treated terribly, it is shameful because the media plays it out like the greedy profit driven land-grabbing developers, and yes l am refering to Caledonia, are in it to steal land and ripp-off native people whilst keeping their business name and faces out of the picture..the bunch of nasty Jehovah witnesses!...
Mikey
This l agree with, and beleive it or not everyone the Native People are treated terribly, it is shameful because the media plays it out like the greedy profit driven land-grabbing developers, and yes l am refering to Caledonia, are in it to steal land and ripp-off native people whilst keeping their business name and faces out of the picture..the bunch of nasty Jehovah witnesses!...
Impeachment underway !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney on the impeachment of George W. Bush:
Quotes:
and so the Impeachment Begins:
Ya-Hooooooooooooooooooooo!!! - we may yet have the world we want if the "Global Elite Criminal Cabal" can be brought to heel. Impeachment of Bush etc. is a start... and when Fossil Fuels are no longer ourmain source of energy, will be the end and we willbe free again.
Karlin
That is the growing sentiment of Americans, and I believe they are now ready to put the warmongering criminals away. This Iraq war has followed the paths of trickery and tactics of other USA invasions and aggressions, but Bush is an incompetant person and did not pull it off without getting caught.
Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney on the impeachment of George W. Bush:
Quotes:
and so the Impeachment Begins:
Ya-Hooooooooooooooooooooo!!! - we may yet have the world we want if the "Global Elite Criminal Cabal" can be brought to heel. Impeachment of Bush etc. is a start... and when Fossil Fuels are no longer ourmain source of energy, will be the end and we willbe free again.
Karlin