Toronto's first homicide of year: Gun-Related

[FiveParadox]

That is why I believe, Colpy, that under such circumstances that the death penalty would be warranted, it should be solidly determined that society cannot tolerate the continuance of such a being. That is why it should be up to Parliament to determine, in particular every case, where the death penalty should be issued.

 

[the caracal kid]

you believe in the artificial separation, don't you?

yes, this does become philosophical. Right down to the point that "evil" is a label reflecting what the observer sees as undesirable and nothing more. "evil" is not real.

those that sit back and rationalize the killing of somebody (or something) are WORSE than the killer they sentence, so yes, in saying "the murderer is dead, long live the murderer", i was being rather kind to those killing the killer.

 

[iamcanadian]

People who have not witness the true evil side of man, cannot fathom it.

There are a great many people that simply enjoy doing harm to other people. They tend to be psycopaths that grow evil in small steps by abusing their possitions a little at a time while getting away with things as they grow more evil.

I believe it is very much like a drug effect. They get a high and each time crave for that higher high and do something worse, having become disensitized to the harms they are doing.

 

[the caracal kid]

if you are refering to me, IAC, i have more experience with what you call "the evil side of man" than most people would ever want to see.

 

[Roy]

Re: RE: Toronto's first homicide of year: Gun-Related

Bye bye Mr. Pickton, and Clifford Olsen....et al.

Mr Pickton the psycho who has killed many women, number could be as high as 65 if they find and dig all the remains. This man should be sentenced to death, there is no denying that. The amount of suffering he has caused is insane.

And as far as I am concerned Olsen and also Bernardo deserve to be put to death. In an ideal world Karla Homolka would of made a plea for her life and be sitting in jail for the rest of her natural life, instead of wandering around Montreal as free as the rest of us are. What about Bernardo, any idea on when hell be free?...now tell me where is the justice for the 3 little girls slaughtered and their familes. Canada should hang its head in shame

 

[Calberty]

Homicides in the rest of Canada...zero.

 

[Jersay]

What do you mean homicide is zero across the country. In Nova Scotia I gut got killed. And elsewhere, in Montreal there is two people fighting for their lives and two people were killed in Calgary.

 

[iamcanadian]

Re: RE: Toronto's first homicide of year: Gun-Related

if you are refering to me, IAC, i have more experience with what you call "the evil side of man" than most people would ever want to see.

No, I am not refering to anyone in my post. I am refering to evil people generally. The evil people I am refering to are people that have power over others and abuse it for the pure perversion of seing others squirm and suffer at their hands.

They become evil over time from doing a little at a time and get addicted to doing more and harder harm for no reason at all.

There is this kind of evil and it is a habitual type of conduct and it is growing in our society.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Toronto's first homicide of year: Gun-Related

you believe in the artificial separation, don't you?

yes, this does become philosophical. Right down to the point that "evil" is a label reflecting what the observer sees as undesirable and nothing more. "evil" is not real.

those that sit back and rationalize the killing of somebody (or something) are WORSE than the killer they sentence, so yes, in saying "the murderer is dead, long live the murderer", i was being rather kind to those killing the killer.

Ah, the Humanist speaks.

I warn you, attempts to perfect the human creature invariably wind up using the gas chamber, or its equivalent.

As for myself, I was the very black sheep in an very nice Ozzie-and-Harriet type strict Baptist family. Although I was the rebel, as I get older I find myself drifting closer to the philosophical and theological ideals of my parents.

It just seems to make sense, in my experience.

And, I don't believe the people who serve society as judges, jurors, prosecuters, or even executioners deserve the title "murderer" if they are acting in the best interest of society, and in accordance with accepted precepts in English Common law.

To say that a man serving on the jury that sentenced Charlie Ng to death is worse than Ng is carrying it a little far, don't you think?

Maybe that is not what you meant. If so, please explain.

 

[Colpy]

It occurs to me this debate on Capital Punishment is moot anyway, as the Supreme Court has deemed it "cruel and unusual" in any case.

 

[FiveParadox]

Constitutional reference

Well, if the Supreme Court of Canada ruled in a Québec case that banning for-profit health care was unconstitutional because it violated the right to life in the Québecois Constitution, and the Court is split 3-3 on whether or not that right extends to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, wouldn't that mean that there's a good chance that capital punishment would be unconstitutional and therefore disallowed by the Supreme Court if the Government attempted to legislate to that end?

 

[Colpy]

Re: Constitutional reference

Well, if the Supreme Court of Canada ruled in a Québec case that banning for-profit health care was unconstitutional because it violated the right to life in the Québecois Constitution, and the Court is split 3-3 on whether or not that right extends to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, wouldn't that mean that there's a good chance that capital punishment would be unconstitutional and therefore disallowed by the Supreme Court if the Government attempted to legislate to that end?

More to the point is the fact that the Court has already ruled that people can not be extradited to any nation (including the USA) if there is a danger they will be executed, as Capital Punishment is cruel and unusual.

 

[FiveParadox]

Constitutional Amendment?

Well then, since capital punishment would require a Constitutional amendment considering the previous rulings and answers from the Supreme Court of Canada, and an amendment on something like authorizing capital punishment would likely never be passed in identical form by the Houses of Parliament and two-thirds of the Legislatures, this debate is somewhat irrelevant, isn't it? :lol:

 

[Colpy]

Re: Constitutional Amendment?

Well then, since capital punishment would require a Constitutional amendment considering the previous rulings and answers from the Supreme Court of Canada, and an amendment on something like authorizing capital punishment would likely never be passed in identical form by the Houses of Parliament and two-thirds of the Legislatures, this debate is somewhat irrelevant, isn't it? :lol:

Exactly.