Top RAF officer suggests suicide missions in terror fight

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Top RAF officer suggests suicide missions in terror fight

By NICK MCDERMOTT
3rd April 2007


One of Britain's most senior RAF officers has raised the prospect of fighter pilots flying suicide missions as a last resort in the war on terror, it emerged last night.


Air Vice Marshal David Walker spoke of kamikaze flights in a 'provocative' discussion about the life-and-death decisions air crews have to make in battle.


Controversial: Air Vice Marshal David Walker has suggested RAF officers fly suicide missions




Speaking to air crews during a training exercise, he said: 'Would you think it unreasonable if I ordered you to fly your aircraft into the ground to destroy a vehicle carrying a Taliban or Al Qaeda commander?'

The 50-year-old officer suggested a suicide mission could be considered as a 'worst-case scenario' once a pilot had run out of ammunition or his weapons had malfunctioned.

He could then use his jet to attack a hijacked plane in British airspace for example, or a Taliban stronghold in Afghanistan.

The consequences of such an attack would mean almost certain death for the pilot, as well as the loss of equipment worth up to £50million.

Defence officials confirmed last night that the Air Vice Marshal had raised the scenario at a recent conference for air crews, but insisted he was only posing a theoretical question.

Air Vice Marshal Walker is a former fighter pilot and the commander of Number 1 Group - commonly known as Air Combat Group - which controls the RAF's fast-jet aircraft, including Tornado, Typhoon and Harrier fighters and bombers.

Speaking in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, he told the air crew, including newly qualified Typhoon pilots, they knew they would have to risk their lives when they signed up for service.

During World War II, he said, Spitfire pilots knew what would be expected of them if their guns jammed as they flew over Adolf Hitler's car below.

Kamikaze, which means 'divine wind', was coined in the 13th century after Japanese priests prayed for typhoons which drove back the Mongol invasion fleets.

During World War II, the word took on a more sinister meaning when Japanese pilots crashed their planes into Allied ships in suicide attacks towards the end of the conflict.


Comments 'don't represent MoD policy'

Last night, MoD sources stressed that Air Vice Marshal Walker's comments, delivered during a lecture and discussion session at his Strike Command headquarters, did not represent a new policy, or any intention to send British pilots on suicide missions.

An insider said: 'This was by way of a provocative discussion.

He was trying to get his audience to think the unthinkable, and shake-up is consider the worst-case scenarios they could face as military air crew, and what they would do.

'The point he was making, and wanting them to confront, was that servicemen and women are sometimes called upon to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the people they protect, and the RAF is no different.

'It's clearly an important part of their training that our people think these issues through clearly in their own minds.'

A RAF spokesman said last night: 'The Air Vice Marshal did not say he would order his crews on suicide missions. As part of a training exercise he wanted them to think about how they and their commanders would react faced with a life-and-death decision of the most extreme sort.

'For example, terrorists flying an aircraft into a British city being followed by an RAF fighter suffering a weapons failure.

'These are decisions which, however unlikely and dreadful, service people may have to make, and it is one of the many reasons why the British people hold them in such high esteem.'

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Insanity, pure and simple.

The Japanese towards the end of WW2 resorted to desparate Kamakase suicide missions against Allied war ships. While the attacks were effective, the war was lost. Hard to have experienced pilots when they only did one mission.
 

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Juan

No society not the British or the Canadian or the American has a corner on rationality. We've seen the response to torture and inhumane treatment of people comitted by criminals in Afghanistan and Iraq and the American means of addressing this behavior ...is to repeat the same kind of behavior...

No suprises.

When a society that regards itself as "just" and claiming ownership of the "high-ground" in terms of morality and ethics ...can then accomodate torture and kidnapping....that's the way the world is...

It should suprise no one that the British military harbors Aholes like this squadron commander...
 

#juan

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Any, no, every jet fighter is equipped with an ejection seat that will land the pilot safely even if he ejects while still going down the runway. The primary use of the ejection seat is to save the pilot as a last resort when the aircraft is unsavable. Frontline jet fighters can cost $50 million a copy. I'm told it now takes several million dollars to train a pilot. Suicide mission? Nonsense. A mission might be planned in an extreme situation where the pilot flies on a collision course and ejects at the last second. Suicide missions are crazy fanaticism.
 

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Are they having problems delivering missiles, bombs and rockets? Why would they waste so much money, the cost of the aircraft and the cost of training pilots, as highlighted by Juan. I can't take this suggestion seriously at all...maybe if my plane were going down or something, and there were some critical error or I was mortally wounded by something, well then yah, I'll take the buggers with me.
 

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What exactly is immoral about a suicide mission?

Hint, Nothing.


If you think the problem with terrorist groups is the "suicide" part of suicide bombing no wonder you think we are the bad guys.

Any soldier willing to go on a suicide run deserves hats off for that, no matter his nationality.




The BAD part about suicide bombers tends to be who they target. If Suicide bombers strapped C4 to themselves and ran into allied tanks they would be right brave soldiers.

But they don't, they run into kindergarten classrooms and school buses. Thats the problem, it has nothing to do with the "suicide" aspect, it wouldn't be better if they threw grenades into school buses and lived themselves.

Those willing to kill should all be willing to die. The problem is about who you are willing to kill in the first place.
 

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Suicide bombing is insane fanaticism. If you have to blow something up, why is it neccessary to blow your intestines all over whatever it is you are blowing up? The suicide is a statement, as much as anything else. The guy has usually been convinced that he will instantly be transported to sit beside Allah. A suicide bomber takes himself right out of the equation. It used to be said that saddam Hussein paid twenty five thousand to the family of each Palestinian suicide bomber. That at least makes some sense.
 

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Suicide bombing is insane fanaticism. If you have to blow something up, why is it neccessary to blow your intestines all over whatever it is you are blowing up? The suicide is a statement, as much as anything else. The guy has usually been convinced that he will instantly be transported to sit beside Allah. A suicide bomber takes himself right out of the equation. It used to be said that saddam Hussein paid twenty five thousand to the family of each Palestinian suicide bomber. That at least makes some sense.


Wait, you think it is more normal to take another human being and blow THEIR intestines all over something?

Thats what bombing is. If you are willing to kill, its not any more fanatical to expect someone to be willing to die. The world would be a better place if more were.

If the thought of dying is so abhorrent to you (as if you will somehow be immortal otherwise) you really have no place being engaged in an activity like killing someone (not that that is a bad thing)