To end 'whining and moaning' over Brexit, Nigel Farage proposes referendum re-do

Corduroy

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:roll: Yeah, because there's a set mechanism for having elections every 4 years, unless the PM/Premier pulls a snap election.

You seem to think that voting more than once on a question is fascism. So if Canada has a mechanism that forces votes every four years on the question "who should be your parliamentary representative?" then by your logic Canada is constitutionally fascist.

It is a shyte form of governance because it is damned near impossible to get a clear majority in a plebiscite. Half of the population, or near enough, will always be unhappy with the other half.

Voting for representatives has the same problem.
 

Curious Cdn

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You seem to think that voting more than once on a question is fascism. So if Canada has a mechanism that forces votes every four years on the question "who should be your parliamentary representative?" then by your logic Canada is constitutionally fascist.



Voting for representatives has the same problem.

Representatives can make decisions for us. Neverendums never come to a conclusion.
 

Corduroy

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Neither do elections. We have them and then have them again a few years later. They don't make everyone happy and it's near impossible to get a clear majority. All things people are using to complain about referendums.
 

Hoof Hearted

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Cordy,

You and T-Bones are both well known for your hyperbole around these parts.

Take a whoa pill. It's actually okay to agree with another person once and a while. It doesn't make you less of a person.
 

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Neither do elections. We have them and then have them again a few years later. They don't make everyone happy and it's near impossible to get a clear majority. All things people are using to complain about referendums.

Always reserve the right to fire your governments and toss the bums out. We do that roughly every decade in this country.
 

Corduroy

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I don't know. I mean, according to the logic in this thread, we voted for that government. If you don't like the government and want to vote again, you're a fascist.
 

Hoof Hearted

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Constantly being disagreeable is a terrible way to live.

I bet you're the youngest of a large family. And you had to be the contrarian in the family to garner the attention of your parents which you so desperately craved. I bet you had a lonely childhood.

Going 'against the grain' is okay once and a while...but making it a lifestyle choice? I don't think so.

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Cordy,

You and T-Bones are both well known for your hyperbole around these parts.

Take a whoa pill. It's actually okay to agree with another person once and a while. It doesn't make you less of a person.

You coming after me again, Hoofy? You forget what I said about leaving me be?
 

Hoof Hearted

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T-Bones,

When you're born Native, you're taught that the whole world is against you. So instead of trusting someone right off of the bat, you wait to befriend a person only once he gains your trust.

Again, a lousy way to live.

I'm not coming after you. It's all in your head as a result of your upbringing.
 

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1) There isn't going to be another referendum: most Britons don't want it and just want the government to crack on and extricate us from the EU.

2) Another referendum would see Leave win again but by an even larger margin - and then the Remoaners would keep on whingeing and start demanding a third referendum.

3) It's time the Remoaners realised tthat Britain is a democracy and gthat the British people have democratically decided to leave the EU. It's stime for them to accept it and stop, disgracefully, trying to overturn a democratic decision just because they don't like it.

I think that just about covers it.

People change their minds. Democracies tend to vote on the same issue more than once.

So what do you propose? Just keep holding an EU in/out referendum every two years or so in case "people change their minds"? How would that work? If the British people people then changed their minds at every referendum it'd mean that, when it comes to the EU, Britain will be "in, out, in, out" like the hokey-cokey. When it comes to such a thing as to whether or not you want your country in the EU, it has to be a once-in-a-lifetime decision.

In the UK, Theresa May called an election last year, despite having one just two years earlier. She said the reason for the election was to strengthen the government's Brexit postition, despite the country voting for Brexit the year before. The result was her party winning fewer seats.

The parties that are pledging to honour the referendum result - Conservatives and Labour - won 82.3% of the vote, whereas the parties that want to overturn the referendum result and keep Britain in the EU - Liberal "Democrats" and SNP - both lost seats.

People say that the General Election was another EU in/out referendum - and Leave clearly won again.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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T-Bones,

When you're born Native, you're taught that the whole world is against you. So instead of trusting someone right off of the bat, you wait to befriend a person only once he gains your trust.

Again, a lousy way to live.

I'm not coming after you. It's all in your head as a result of your upbringing.

Yeah? You an expert on being Indian now?

Might wanna limit yourself to discussing what life is like when you're mentally defective. That's your area of expertise.
 

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'Wir verlassen die EU, aber nicht Europa': Theresa May speaks German to insist there is no going back on Brexit

Theresa May was interviewed by the editor of German tabloid Bild on Saturday

At one point she spoke in German to say 'we are leaving the EU but not Europe'

She also said there will be no second referendum on Britain leaving the EU

By Charlie Moore For Mailonline
21 January 2018

Theresa May spoke German on Saturday during an interview about Brexit.

When asked if there could be an 'exit from Brexit,' she told the editor of German tabloid Bild: 'No, there will be no second referendum on Britain leaving the EU.

'Parliament gave the British public the choice and they made their decision. I think it's important that politicians then deliver on that.'


When asked if there could be an 'exit from Brexit,' Mrs May told the editor of German tabloid Bild: 'No, there will be no second referendum on Britain leaving the EU


She then added in German: 'Wir verlassen die EU, aber nicht Europa!' which means 'We are leaving the EU but not Europe.'

Twitter users said her accent was 'appalling.'

The Prime Minister also said Britain wants a comprehensive trade deal with the European Union as well as a defence pact once its leaves the bloc.

Mrs May added that her government was not seeking to 'cherry pick' in the negotiations and that it wanted a trade deal that goes further than that which the EU has with Norway or Canada simply because Britain is negotiating from a different position to those two countries.

'It is not about cherry picking,' she said. 'We want to negotiate for a comprehensive free trade deal and security pact. We are in a different starting position than Canada or Norway.'

She added: 'The vote that the British people took was about our history, about people in the UK wanting to feel that decisions were taken here in the UK. But we want to continue to have a good partnership with the EU and we want the EU itself to remain strong!'


Theresa May spoke German yesterday during an interview about Brexit

At the end of the interview in Downing Street, Mrs May was asked to predict the winner of the World Cup.

She said: 'I'm tempted to say I don’t think it will be very sensible for a British politician to try to predict the outcome of the World Cup to a German newspaper. But also football isn’t really my sport. I much prefer cricket. And I think Germans still need a little practice on that.'

Britain and the EU struck a divorce deal last month that paved the way for talks on future trade ties and boosted hopes of an orderly Brexit.

Mrs May's interview came after Cabinet colleague David Lidington hinted Britain could one day rejoin a reformed EU, while French President Emmanuel Macron, who visited the UK last week, said he would 'love to welcome' Britain back.
 

Dexter Sinister

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:roll: Can the Opposition declare a vote of no confidence against a majority govt? Not that I'm aware of.
They can't declare a vote of no confidence, but they can certainly call for one, a confidence vote is a routine part of the proceedings after every budget. They're unlikely to win it against a majority government, and I don't think that's ever happened, but strange things have happened before, like the King-Byng Affair. It's surely conceivable that a government could get so arrogant, condescending, and corrupt, that enough of its party's MPs would turn against it to bring it down.
 

Corduroy

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So what do you propose? Just keep holding an EU in/out referendum every two years or so in case "people change their minds"? How would that work? If the British people people then changed their minds at every referendum it'd mean that, when it comes to the EU, Britain will be "in, out, in, out" like the hokey-cokey. When it comes to such a thing as to whether or not you want your country in the EU, it has to be a once-in-a-lifetime decision.

I don't propose anything. I'm just arguing against the insane idea that a referendum is anti-democratic. It seems like people are so incredibly desperate to have their way on this that they'll come up with any excuse.
 

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A referendum is anti democratic in that it defeats the purpose of voting for representatives.

You vote for people to make these decisions.

That is what democracy is.
 

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Referenda are anti-democratic. That's a hoot! Politicians can feel what their constituents want perhaps? They just know. That's why they're voted in. That's what democracy is.

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Corduroy

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A referendum is anti democratic in that it defeats the purpose of voting for representatives.

You vote for people to make these decisions.

That is what democracy is.

How is democracy only about electing representatives? This is so odd that I honestly don't know where to begin or how to understand your reasoning.