This wedding makes our Royal Family truly British at last.

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How the British Monarchy - the oldest surviving and most successful political institution in Europe - is changing.

At one time, a future king married a woman not because he loved her, but because of political reasons. He might have married a princess of a foreign country to help forge closer ties between the two countries, especially if they'd spent years warring.

Fast forward to the beginning of the 21st Century. Prince William's fiancee, Kate Middleton, descends from a line of Durham miners and has a mother who is a former air hostess. Despite her humble ancestry (mostly humble, as she's also a direct descendant of Edward III), one day she will be Queen.

In fact, could this finally be the Windors achieving what they set out to do almost 100 years ago - to make the Royal Family truly British.

In 1917, after having the name for 200 years, Britain's German-descended Royal Family, headed by King George V (Prince William's great grandfather), changed their name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor because, of course, Germany was the enemy.

But their marriage customs also changed. Until that point, the Royal Family married according to the German royal custom - by only marrying royals, and German ones at that, of equal rank - e.g. a British prince could only marry a German princess.

Instead, George V declared that henceforth his children would be able to marry Englishmen and Englishwomen. ‘It was an historic day,’ he confided to his diary.

From then on, the Royals have tended to marry people from this country rather than Germans, making the Royal Family less and less German and more and more British with each passing generation. For example, Queen Elizabeth, the wife of King George VI (who became known as the Queen Mother on the accession to the Throne of her daugher Elizabeth II) was Scottish.

And this means, of course, that British Royals now marry people who aren't Royals themselves. Princess Diana was not a Royal, and neither was Sarah Ferguson, who married Prince Edward in 1986.

And this Royal Revolution, with Royals marrying ordinary people, have made Royal marriages more of an occasion. They were once semi-private affairs. But with ordinary people, such as Diana and Sarah, marrying Royals those marriages became to be seen more as national occasions.

And it is this Royal Revolution which allows a descendant of northern coalminers to be the future Queen.

This wedding makes our Royal Family truly British at last. And I’ll raise a glass of bubbly to that!

21st November 2010
Daily Mail

By historian David Starkey (David Starkey’s latest book, Crown & Country, is published by HarperPress.)



" As Walter Bagehot pointed out long ago in his masterly analysis of the Victorian Monarchy, Royalty is interesting while republics are boring."

It seems such a story of today. William is the eventual heir to the oldest and most successful Royal house in Europe and, on his marriage, will have a choice of titles that recall the gore and glory of the Middle Ages.

Kate, on the other hand, descends from a line of Durham miners and has a mother who is a former air hostess. The couple met while they were at university together.

And like most of their contemporaries, they have had a shot at being together (and indeed apart) before deciding to get married.


Royal wedding: Kate and William are now the latest stars of that great international circus

How very different from the love story of Charles and Diana, to say nothing of that of the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh. No wonder David Cameron has embraced their engagement as a sort of Royal deluxe edition of his Big Society.

Despite appearances, this Royal romance is not a new beginning. Instead it is only an important new chapter in the extraordinary story of the House of Windsor which began in 1917.

The First World War was at its height. At home, the mighty fleet had mutinied at Spithead; abroad the Russian Empire was about to collapse and everywhere revolution was in the air.

George V, king-emperor of Great Britain and William’s great-great-grandfather, was the least likely of revolutionaries.


Revolutionaries: King George V, Queen Mary, Princess Mary, Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Edward, Prince of Wales (the future King Edward VIII)

He was a stiff-backed ex-sailor; punctilious in his dress and formal in his manners, whose only recreations were his stamp albums, his weather-gauge and his coverts of game-birds, of which he slaughtered prodigious numbers.

And yet he had shrewd political instincts and shrewder advisers. Together they decided to fight revolution with revolution.

Their enterprise was no less than to reinvent the British Monarchy.

The first step was to make it British. Ever since the accession of the House of Hanover 200 years previously, the Royal Family had been German – in blood, in its first language and in its name: Guelph or, latterly, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

With Germany now as the enemy, this was impossible and George resolved to change it. After a bit of discreet market-testing, he came up with the quintessentially English name of Windsor. With its echoes of Shakespeare and soft-soap, it was the perfect choice.

But the change of name was only the first step. What had kept the Royal Family German for 200 years were its marriage customs. So George changed those as well. Hitherto, the Royal Family had followed the German practice.

This required members of ruling houses only to marry people of equivalent rank – in other words princes and princesses of other German dynasties. Instead George declared that henceforth his children would be able to marry Englishmen and Englishwomen. ‘It was an historic day,’ he confided to his diary.


Different story: The love affair of William's parents Charles and Diana was played out very differently

It was. It sounds so simple. And yet the seed of everything that has followed, right up to the marriage of William and Kate, is there.

Once the brides were English and pretty, the floodgates of schmalz opened.

They did most conspicuously in the case of William’s great-grandparents, the future George VI and Queen Elizabeth (later the Queen Mother), who were married in 1923.

The relationship was even on-off, since Elizabeth refused George’s first proposal.

After she had accepted his second, the media storm broke.

The newly-illustrated popular Press and women’s magazines featured endless photographs of the bride and her family. Her trousseau and clothes were scrutinised, as were the interiors of the couple’s new home at 145 Piccadilly.

If Kate really wants to know what lies ahead, she could do worse than flick through those yellowing cuttings. There was even the same interest in the choice of wedding venue.

In the Hanoverian centuries, and under the Stuart dynasty before that, Royal weddings were semi-private affairs. They were held, almost invariably, in the Chapel Royal at St James’s Palace. The Chapel would be magnificently decorated, but nothing could disguise its mean interior.

The Royal revolution of 1917 changed this, too. A Royal wedding was now a national wedding. Everybody was interested and everybody – metaphorically at least – was invited.

Only one building was big enough or symbolic enough: Westminster Abbey. George VI and Elizabeth were married there, as were Elizabeth II and Prince Philip.

But not even the Abbey was big enough for the expectations aroused by the marriage of Charles and Diana, and St Paul’s Cathedral (which has a capacity of 3,500 to Westminster Abbey's 2,000) was chosen instead.

The marriage of William’s parents, famously described as ‘a fairytale wedding’ by Archbishop Runcie in his sermon at St Paul’s, also illustrates the great problem of the settlement of 1917. The Monarchy was now a Family Monarchy, which presented itself as embodying the best of British family values.

So long as its leading members were able to embody those values – or at least to appear to – it was a source of huge strength. In particular, it enabled the Monarchy to appeal over the heads of the aristocracy, who had rarely attached much importance to marital fidelity, to the great mass of the respectable middle and working classes, who did.

And this, on the other hand, is why, when Charles and Diana’s fairy-tale marriage dissolved into a nightmare, the damage was so great, not simply to the couple and William and his brother Harry, but to the institution of Monarchy itself.

But times and values have changed, not least thanks to Diana herself. William, as his re-use of his mother’s engagement ring shows, is profoundly attached to Diana’s memory. And he seems to have found a kindred spirit in Kate. The result is that their relationship, in this regard at least, appears profoundly different from any previous Windsor couple.

There is not a trace of high romance or grand, Mills and Boon-style passion. Instead, it is pragmatic, remarkably equal, and based (so they have told us) on a shared sense of humour. It has also already lasted some eight years.

Despite this good, level-headed beginning, they will be under enormous pressure to turn into figures from a romance and become Prince Charming and Cinderella in Jimmy Choos. The Press wants it; the people want it; the world wants it.

It will be very difficult for them to resist. But it will be greatly to their advantage if they do. It will also be to ours since it will help us to admit that family values have indeed changed and that high romance and the workaday reality of marriage – even princely marriage – have very little to do with each other.

They will be under another pressure too: to put on a good show. This is because a People’s Monarchy is part of popular entertainment.

On the other hand, siren voices have been raised to tell them to cut back. Remember the recession, says one Gradgrind; away with flummery, demands another killjoy. This is very strange. The most ordinary couple try to make a bit of a splash with their wedding. How much more is expected of a Royal union?

For this is the real point. As Walter Bagehot pointed out long ago in his masterly analysis of the Victorian Monarchy, Royalty is interesting while republics are boring.

This is why that great republic, America, despite having got rid of George III, can’t get enough of the British Monarchy. ‘Kate and William are HUGE news here. Is anything else going on in the world?’, an American friend asked me.

Kate and William are now the latest stars of that great international circus. There are terrible dangers, as William knows only too well from his mother.

But, helped by Kate, he shows signs of having learned that he must do things a bit differently and pour the wine of new, more modest values into the old bottle of the Windsor Family Monarchy.

Let’s hope that it turns out to be champagne and doesn’t go flat too quickly!

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Machjo

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Oh we can have so much fun with this. May I suggest we invite Prince William to become the next Canadian Governor General for life until he becomes King. And just to throw a wrench in there, let's establish him in Quebec city where his children could pick up some Quebec gals to marry. Before you know it, it'll be the House of Poutine!

Now the only obstacles would be:

1. Some Canadians might reject the selection of a non-Canadian as overnor General.
2. How would we establish im in Quebec city when the capital is Ottawa? Well, I guess maybe Gatineau could do too. Or who knows. We might have to abandon that humorous pleasantry altogether.
3. Oh the British would be infuriated! Yes!
 

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I think it would actually be a fantastic idea for members of The Royal Family to play roles in official capacities in Canada (other than Her Majesty The Queen of Canada, already playing a role that is critical to our constitutional arrangements). It would help to further entrench the constitutional monarchy in the minds of Canadians and would, I feel, aid in the longevity of the monarchy not only in Canada (and the other Commonwealth realms), but in the United Kingdom itself.
 

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I think it would actually be a fantastic idea for members of The Royal Family to play roles in official capacities in Canada (other than Her Majesty The Queen of Canada, already playing a role that is critical to our constitutional arrangements). It would help to further entrench the constitutional monarchy in the minds of Canadians and would, I feel, aid in the longevity of the monarchy not only in Canada (and the other Commonwealth realms), but in the United Kingdom itself.

My humorous response above aside, I do agree that there could be benefit to this.

Now, honestly, though I do sympathise with the idea of monarchy, I lean more in favour of an elective monarchy. At the same time, I also see the benefit of a common shared monarchy betwen multiple states. Establishing a shared elective monarchy between multiple states, while certainly an ideal, could also be a pragmatic challenge obviously, and so we're not likely to see anything of the sort for awhile yet.

Looking at it that way, I could see the maintenance of the current shared monarchy as a pragmatic solution for now, and from that standpoint, I could certainly see the benefit of promoting closer Commonwealth ties via the monarchy, essentially one of the pillars holding the unity of the Commonwealth together. Appointing Prince William as Governor General for life could in fact be beneficial for both Canada and the UK.

As for stationing him out in Quebec City, in purely hypothetical terms, I could even see a benefit there in promoting more unity between English and French Canada in the long term. Sure some English Canadians would be angry at the move initially, but over time, a ruling monarch of the British Commonwealth who would be fluent in French and strongly influenced and integrated into a French cultural milieu could certainly help to warm French Canadians towards the monarchy over time, and could likely help to build new cultural bridges to the French-speaking world too, seeing how republican it tends to be.

That of course is purely hypothetical seeing that pragmatically even I cannot see how by appointing Prince Wiliam as the Governor General of Canada, obviously to be stationed in Ottawa, we could then station him in Quebec City. Clearly he'd have to reside in Ottawa. Now of course he could be appinted Lieutenant Governor of Quebec insted, and this would allow him to be stationed in Quebec. Then again, this could have advantages too. We'd continue to have a Governor General in Ottawa and, theoretically, assuming he settled in Quebec city long term, it could even produce a kind of equality between Canada and the UK if he ever became a king and decided to remain in Quebec. Of course there are a lot of ifs and hypothetical suppositions here, but please, let me amuse myself. With this kind of arrangement, if the monarch of the Commonwealth ended up settling in Quebec City, both the UK and Canada would be on an equal footing in that each would have a representative of the king standing in their place, with the king settled in a provincial capacity for the most part. One advantage is that this would also help to bring English and French Canada closer together by giving them a new cultural commonality. Or it could also alienate English-speaking members of the commonwealth and so destroy it. Who knows. It could go either way.

But hey, nothing wrong with letting the imagination roam now and then over various hypotheticla ifs. Night all.

Actually, there would be some humour in Quebec inviting the Prince. My guess is the Feds would be quick to offer a counter invitation.
 

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Why doesn't the United States repeal its Declaration of Independence, reestablish itself as a part of the British Empire, and petition the monarchy to reside in Disneyland as an attraction rivalling Mickey Mouse and Snow White? Just asking...
 

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I can't believe any sane person really cares...



They really look happy don't they??? LOL.

In the olden days of photography nobody smiled. It took a long time for the pictures to "set" and there is no way that people would be able to hold the smiles that long.;)
 

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I think that it would only be appropriate for Canada, and perhaps the other Realms of the Commonwealth, to make similar declarations. Our constitutional monarchy is, after all, a shared institution between sixteen countries, and we should all be celebrating the marriage of the second-in-line to our shared throne. It would be nice to see Canadian Heritage decide upon and promote such a holiday, educating Canadians on The Royal Family.

I once again wish His Royal Highness Prince William of Wales K.G., F.R.S., and Miss Kate Middleton the very happiest of futures together.
 

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I thought the lack of smiles in early photographic posing was because of poor dentistry in those days - can't have gaps in the row of
tiny 'pearl teeth'..... that's the story my family relayed....whether true or not....I had no idea it was the photographic imaging needs.
 

shadowshiv

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Shadowshiv

I thought the lack of smiles in early photographic posing was because of poor dentistry in those days - can't have gaps in the row of
tiny 'pearl teeth'..... that's the story my family relayed....whether true or not....I had no idea it was the photographic imaging needs.

LOL! That could be the case even today, what with all the sugary treats that kids eat nowadays.;)

That being said, I remember watching a photography special (on the Discovery channel perhaps?) that stated that it would take quite a while(even more than an hour?) before the picture would be "set". I don't know about you, but I have difficulty holding a smile for more than a minute! I can't imagine what it would be like back then.:)
 

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I think that it would only be appropriate for Canada, and perhaps the other Realms of the Commonwealth, to make similar declarations. Our constitutional monarchy is, after all, a shared institution between sixteen countries, and we should all be celebrating the marriage of the second-in-line to our shared throne. It would be nice to see Canadian Heritage decide upon and promote such a holiday, educating Canadians on The Royal Family.

I once again wish His Royal Highness Prince William of Wales K.G., F.R.S., and Miss Kate Middleton the very happiest of futures together.

Why? I'm pretty sure that most Canadians could give a rats.. behind about this.

I can assure you that my company isn't about to give up a days work just for some prince and his bride to be.

WHOOPIEEEE...
 

shadowshiv

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Why? I'm pretty sure that most Canadians could give a rats.. behind about this.

I can assure you that my company isn't about to give up a days work just for some prince and his bride to be.

WHOOPIEEEE...

Actually wasn't there a huge turnout(both live and via television viewings) when the Queen last visited Canada? Who knows? This could be more popular than you think.
 

shadowshiv

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I imagine they,ll be needing household kit then. Diapers, furniture and dishes of course. I have already bought an toaster for the royal couple so don,t anyone else bother.

Damn! Maybe I can get a fouton for them instead?