There's Absolutely Nothing Wrong With Our Justice System

[CDNBear]

You seem to be confused.

Nope, informed.

Given the grammar errors in your reply, I'd say it's more likely your emotions, running high during your little tantrum here, are getting the better of you.

Compounded by the fact that you aren't very bright, it would be safe to say, in all likelihood, you're projecting again, and you're confused yourself. Which of course is supported by the evidence you've supplied in this thread.

You agree he had no excuse for for his actions which resulted in maiming one person and destroying the life of another completely but you think the sentence he received of 2 years less a day was too severe.

See, this is part of your problem, you can not follow along with the conversation when you're throwing one of your well documented tantrums.

I think the sentence was fair, considering the results of his actions.

Again I urge you to take my advice.

Really, the punishment should have some reflection on the severity of the damage inflicted.

Tempered by mitigating circumstances, and other loses to the defendant.

That is why we have Vehicular Manslaughter charges instead of just DUI. A drunk smashes another car by accident and kills somebody and they get federal time (5 years or more), this guy all but kills someone (death would have been a blessing IMO) on purpose and you think his sentence is too harsh.

Nope.

I think the sentence was fair, considering the results of his actions.

You need to get a grip on reality.

The irony is palpable.

If he has no excuse and no right or lawful authority then he got off light and you should just accept that instead of making excuses for him.

I made no excuses for him.

I said the sentence was fair given the circumstances and facts of the case.

I'm not surprised I had to explain that to you, even though it's already, all right there in my posts.

All you have done in this thread is show yourself to be a bigger moron and a$$hole than I previously thought you were.

I'm sure you feel that is true, but it's far more likely your emotions, complete lack of knowledge and inability to think clearly, is impeding your judgment.

It's not as if this is the first time we've seen you succumb to that here.

I'm sure your feelings would be different if your little cooter or your wife was the one maimed and almost brain dead for life.

The fact that it's "Kooter" and it's capitalized, because it's a noun, aside. My sons and my wife are far more intelligent and know better than to go out in the wee hours of the am, drunk, and poach for fish. Furthermore, my wife is quite well versed in the English language and capable of communicating with people. Like myself she doesn't have to resort to violence so easily. I'm sure that seems foreign to you. But it isn't foreign to my sons either. They are also quite capable of using their words, instead of their emotions and their hands in a situation where tempers are flared.

Perhaps if that was something you grasped, your posts wouldn't be filled with the idiotic tripe they're filled with, and you'd be more interested in gaining knowledge than reacting on your baser instincts.

It's unfortunate that evolution left some people behind.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Just skimmed the last handfulof posts in this Thread. Folks, when posting, just above
the little box you all type into is the following line:

Off-limits: Personal attacks, cursing, anything 18+, adult-themed comments. Follow the forum rules.

An example of this would be: "All you have done in this thread is show yourself
to be a bigger moron and a$$hole than I previously thought you were." etc...

Seriously. Really? I'm at a loss for words here.

 

[CDNBear]

Just skimmed the last handfulof posts in this Thread. Folks, when posting, just above
the little box you all type into is the following line:

Off-limits: Personal attacks, cursing, anything 18+, adult-themed comments. Follow the forum rules.

An example of this would be: "All you have done in this thread is show yourself
to be a bigger moron and a$$hole than I previously thought you were." etc...

Seriously. Really? I'm at a loss for words here.

I've come to expect nothing less from PN.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Lets not do that. I edited it this time. I spank the next time.

 

[CDNBear]

Lets not do that.

No arguments here.

 

[captain morgan]

Lets not do that. I edited it this time. I spank the next time.

Gosh Ron, you always struck me as a pretty straight-laced guy... maybe even a little conservative in nature (NB: 'conservative' does not imply political stripe).

Oh well, I guess that everyone has their kink, why should you be any different?

 

[shadowshiv]

Can appeals increase sentences? I would love him to appeal and they turn it into 20 years.

Yes they can. The prosecution is in the midst of doing that with the scumwad hockey coach(Graham James) that molested Theo Fleury(amongst others) when he was a young teen.

It's amazing how often the justice system here in Canada turns justice inside out and makes it so the suspect becomes the victim and the victim is tossed aside.:roll:

 

[SLM]

Yes they can. The prosecution is in the midst of doing that with the scumwad hockey coach(Graham James) that molested Theo Fleury(amongst others) when he was a young teen.

It's amazing how often the justice system here in Canada turns justice inside out and makes it so the suspect becomes the victim and the victim is tossed aside.:roll:

Because victims don't have rights entrenched within the justice system; the accused does. Now I'm all for that part, innocent until proven guilty, we need checks and balances in our criminal justice system. But I can honestly see no reason why, upon conviction when a judge or jury has determined guilt beyond all reasonable doubt, that victim's right can not, at that point, kick in. Seems only fair, we have at that point done our due diligence in making sure we are fair and reasonable in assessing the guilt of the perpetrator. Wouldn't that be the perfect time to assess justice to the victims? Then maybe we wouldn't have such inconsistent sentencing.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Just skimmed the last handfulof posts in this Thread. Folks, when posting, just above
the little box you all type into is the following line:

Off-limits: Personal attacks, cursing, anything 18+, adult-themed comments. Follow the forum rules.

An example of this would be: "All you have done in this thread is show yourself
to be a bigger moron and a$$hole than I previously thought you were." etc...

Ahhh, so it is ok for Bear to imply I am the same as the perpetrator in this event or call me an idiot or stupid over & over but not ok for me to respond a little more directly with moron & a$$hole? That is just a little one-sided there Ron. In fact Bear is continually denigrating & demeaning to other posters here because he disagrees with or fails to understand their position yet I have never seen him reprimanded even once, what gives with that? I give back what he puts out only in a much more forward and direct manner and will continue to do so as long as you and the other mods give him a free pass on his disparaging, belittling, slanderous aspersions upon other members. If you choose to "spank" me over it then at least be fair and spank everyone who does the same thing including those who are the worst offenders but seem to have that 'get-out-of-jail-free' card from you and your bretheren.

Seriously. Really? I'm at a loss for words here.

Maybe you have found a few now and would like to share them....

 

[Ron in Regina]

Really? Seriously....really?

I don't read everything here. I don't read even 1/2 of the stuff here. I don't read
the Threads that don't interest me unless there's a reported post. I don't even
pretend to claim that I do.

I skimmed the last couple of posts in that Thread. What I happened to see is what
I happened to see. I even qualified what That when I posted it...& you even quoted
that....

Sorry man, but I have a life offline too. I've been here more lately as I'm waiting for
something to happen in the real world that has allowed me more time at home lately.

That still doesn't mean that I read everything here, as I don't read everything here.
I don't read even 1/2 of the stuff here. I don't read the Threads that don't interest
me unless there's a reported post. I don't even pretend to claim that I do.

I don't keep little tiny scoreboards for every member to track all real &/or imagined
slights. Stat's & graghs & pie charts to make sure I see all emerging trends.

You Sir, you enjoy the rest of your day & Merry Christmas to you.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Really? Seriously....really?

I don't read everything here. I don't read even 1/2 of the stuff here. I don't read
the Threads that don't interest me unless there's a reported post. I don't even
pretend to claim that I do.

I'm totally shocked...thought this was your life's devotion...:lol:

Sorry man, but I have a life offline too.

You do? Never heard of such a thing 8O

I've been here more lately as I'm waiting for something to happen in the real world that has allowed me more time at home lately.

Nice!

That still doesn't mean that I read everything here, as I don't read everything here.
I don't read even 1/2 of the stuff here. I don't read the Threads that don't interest
me unless there's a reported post. I don't even pretend to claim that I do.

See above....

I don't keep little tiny scoreboards for every member to track all real &/or imagined
slights. Stat's & graghs & pie charts to make sure I see all emerging trends.

I think you should start. It sounds like a great idea and would only require you and the other mods to spend 22-23 hours a day to keep up. I don't understand why this hasn't been implemented sooner. :lol::lol::lol:

You Sir, you enjoy the rest of your day & Merry Christmas to you.

I actually have to go to work now so enjoyment is not on the menu....and it's Happy Hunakkah to me. ;-)

 

[Ron in Regina]

Happy Hunakkah & Merry Quanza & Groovy Festivus to ya' then! :lol::lol:

 

[damngrumpy]

Today our justice system is really drama, two lawyers trying to win, the truth and the
circumstances are mere props for the court combatants. Then there is the "its too
prejudicial statement" Any evidence except hearsay should be allowed if it is part
of the body of evidence.

Oh I was trying to ignore the justice system when posting how silly of me
Sometimes I swear we sound more like children feeling they are being
picked on. There are some people who probably don' t like each other and
that goes with the territory.
I follow my fathers rule, don't be a tattle tale, people should be able to find
enough grown up words to defend themselves. If we are going to live in a
world without a single insult there would be no speech, someone will always
find something wrong with something someone else says.
I rarely if ever attack someone's opinion personally though there are a few
people who tempt me greatly. My next sentence is not directed at any one
person directly

"I refuse to spar with mental light weights"

There are people who use the slightest statement to feel personally insulted and
hard done by and frankly the mainstream people on these boards are getting tired of
it. It goes on only because we need comic relief.

 

[Locutus]

Really? Seriously....really?

I don't read everything here. I don't read even 1/2 of the stuff here. I don't read
the Threads that don't interest me unless there's a reported post. I don't even
pretend to claim that I do.

I skimmed the last couple of posts in that Thread. What I happened to see is what
I happened to see. I even qualified what That when I posted it...& you even quoted
that....

Sorry man, but I have a life offline too. I've been here more lately as I'm waiting for
something to happen in the real world that has allowed me more time at home lately.

That still doesn't mean that I read everything here, as I don't read everything here.
I don't read even 1/2 of the stuff here. I don't read the Threads that don't interest
me unless there's a reported post. I don't even pretend to claim that I do.

I don't keep little tiny scoreboards for every member to track all real &/or imagined
slights. Stat's & graghs & pie charts to make sure I see all emerging trends.

You Sir, you enjoy the rest of your day & Merry Christmas to you.

This.

 

[CDNBear]

Ahhh, so it is ok for Bear to imply I am the same as the perpetrator in this event...

But you are.

... or call me an idiot or stupid over & over but not ok for me to respond a little more directly with moron & a$$hole?

I haven't called you an idiot or a moron.

You came in this thread, and the anti Christmas thread looking for a fight. You got one and you're now you're crying.

Suck it up.

In fact Bear is continually denigrating & demeaning to other posters here because he disagrees with or fails to understand their position...

No I don't, stop lying.

That is however what you do, lol.

This thread is full of excellent examples of it.

... yet I have never seen him reprimanded even once, what gives with that?

Been banned a couple times. Maybe you should pay better attention.

I give back what he puts out only in a much more forward and direct manner and will continue to do so as long as you and the other mods give him a free pass on his disparaging, belittling, slanderous aspersions upon other members.

Oh stop your lying, I don't do that.

If you choose to "spank" me over it then at least be fair and spank everyone who does the same thing including those who are the worst offenders but seem to have that 'get-out-of-jail-free' card from you and your bretheren.

You haven't been banned, yet this thread is hardly the first time you've behaved like this.

Can I borrow your 'get out of jail free card'?

 

[PoliticalNick]

But you are.

Not even close. I never have and never would use my vehicle as a weapon and try to kill someone just because they punched out my friend....not even you.

I haven't called you an idiot or a moron.

Maybe not these exact words but you have called me plenty and made many statements insulting my intelligence & morals. :roll:

You came in this thread, and the anti Christmas thread looking for a fight. You got one and you're now you're crying.

If I was looking for a fight I would go out and find someone willing to exchange a few blows for real, not that I do that type of thing. You think expressing an opinion different from yours is seeking a fight then you really need to rethink your standards

Suck it up.

Yes you should and admit what your acquaintance did was attempted murder

No I don't, stop lying.

I am not going to go through this entire forum and pull up up the multitude of examples of you doing it to EAO, DB and those you call 'the usual suspects'. You know you do it, if you don't realize you do seek professional help as you really need it.

That is however what you do, lol.

Only to you....and to TeddyB over his incessant election threads

Been banned a couple times. Maybe you should pay better attention.

Not since I have been around, maybe you're due for another. ;-)

Oh stop your lying, I don't do that.

You once accused me of beating my kids, you do it!:roll:

You haven't been banned, yet this thread is hardly the first time you've behaved like this.

Funny how I haven't been banned yet you have...hmmmm :sign5:

Can I borrow your 'get out of jail free card'?

Nope! :lol:

 

[CDNBear]

Not even close. I never have and never would use my vehicle as a weapon and try to kill someone just because they punched out my friend....not even you.

That's not where you two have something in common.

Although given your behavior here, I wouldn't put it by you.

Knowing Trev and his dad, I know neither would shoot a by-law officer for being on their property.

Who knew Trev and his dad were better than you. Go figure.

Maybe not these exact words

I accept your apology.

... but you have called me plenty and made many statements insulting my intelligence & morals. :roll:

I've made supportable observations.

As has been clearly pointed out in this thread, your name calling, is only supported by your tantrum.

If I was looking for a fight I would go out and find someone willing to exchange a few blows for real, not that I do that type of thing.

Given the idiocy you fill your posts with, like the many times you've threatened to shoot people, and the fact that you've actually challenged Gh to a fight, twice.

I call BS.

Your dishonesty is only surpassed by EAO's.

You think expressing an opinion different from yours is seeking a fight then you really need to rethink your standards

I don't think that at all.

But that isn't what you did in this thread. Please try and be honest.

Yes you should...

I'm not the one throwing a tantrum.

... and admit what your acquaintance did was attempted murder

I don't have to. The courts already said it wasn't.

Quite frankly, as flawed as the legal system is, I trust it more than your uneducated, misinformed, uninformed and otherwise ignorant opinions.

Especially since I have proven your erroneous legal claims wrong time and time again.

I am not going to go through this entire forum and pull up up the multitude of examples of you doing it to EAO, DB and those you call 'the usual suspects'.

Good idea, it would be a waste of time. There aren't any.

You know you do it, if you don't realize you do seek professional help as you really need it.

I know exactly what I do. It's you that's having great difficulty understanding. I'd make the same silly recommendation, but at this point I think it would be for not.

Only to you....and to TeddyB over his incessant election threads

Liar.

Not since I have been around, maybe you're due for another. ;-)

Nope, but I have been, which of course is me proving you wrong, yet again. Which of course why you throw these little tantrums.

You once accused me of beating my kids, you do it!:roll:

No I didn't. Your neighbour did. Stop lying.

Funny how I haven't been banned yet you have...hmmmm :sign5:

Not really, I rarely ever report posts. Unlike the sookie sucking Usual Suspects.

They're hypocrisy and yours is not a secret.

 

[PoliticalNick]

That's not where you two have something in common.

Please do elaborate on this. Given you know nothing about me personally you are just making suppositions and innuendo but I would love to have a good laugh over your playing at being intelligent.

Although given your behavior here, I wouldn't put it by you.

Funny how you say you don't accuse but here you are saying I would attempt murder with a vehicle. :roll:

Knowing Trev and his dad, I know neither would shoot a by-law officer for being on their property.

Do you really know that? Clairvoyant are you? You just assume they wouldn't. Given that he tried to kill 3 people with his vehicle I would say he is predisposed to attempted murder.

Who knew Trev and his dad were better than you. Go figure.

You certainly don't. You don't know me at all.

I accept your apology.

There wasn't one but you keep imagining if it makes you feel better about yourself.

I've made supportable observations.

Since when? You have no idea of who I really am or what I would or wouldn't do in RL. It is fun to watch your superiority complex in full swing though.

like the many times you've threatened to shoot people

If this is true you should be reporting me to the police. Threatening to shoot someone is a crime.

and the fact that you've actually challenged Gh to a fight, twice.

I invited him to meet and say something to me face-to-face...once, but go ahead and feed that complex of yours, it gets funnier with every post.

I call BS.

Well you are full of it.....

Your dishonesty is only surpassed by EAO's.

Now you are a living polygraph...what amazing abilities you possess. Do you have any other super-powers? :lol:

I don't think at all.

FIFY ;-)

I'm not the one throwing a tantrum.

Of course not...your super-powers take over and prevent it. 8O

I don't have to. The courts already said it wasn't.

And of course the courts have never made any mistakes. :roll:

Quite frankly, as flawed as the legal system is

About time you admitted there were flaws in his sentence.

uneducated, misinformed, uninformed and otherwise ignorant

But you don't call names or cast aspersions....:roll:

Especially since I have proven your erroneous legal claims wrong time and time again.

I don't remember going to court against you....must be that superiority complex rearing its head again, you should really seek professional help. I can recommend an old school-mate of mine in the GTA if you like. ;-)

 

[CDNBear]

Please do elaborate on this. Given you know nothing about me personally you are just making suppositions and innuendo

No, I'm basing my observations on what you have posted.

... but I would love to have a good laugh over your playing at being intelligent.

The irony is palpable.

Funny how you say you don't accuse but here you are saying I would attempt murder with a vehicle. :roll:

No I didn't. You really should learn how to read. It would save you much embarrassment. Especially when you don't even know what you write.

Do you really know that?

Yes I do. Unlike you I rely on facts.

You certainly don't.

Yes I do.

You don't know me at all.

I know enough about you.

There wasn't one but you keep imagining if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Actually, it made me think higher of you, since you acknowledged you made a mistake, that's usually followed by an apology, my bad.

Since when?

Since always. You post enough idiocy to know you shouldn't be allowed to own firearms, that's for sure.

You have no idea of who I really am or what I would or wouldn't do in RL.

You've told me what you would do.

It is fun to watch your superiority complex in full swing though.

It's not a complex.

If this is true you should be reporting me to the police. Threatening to shoot someone is a crime.

I don't do that sort of thing.

I invited him to meet and say something to me face-to-face...once,

Liar, twice.

... but go ahead and feed that complex of yours, it gets funnier with every post.

It's good you can laugh at yourself.

Now you are a living polygraph...

Nope, just capable of reading.

FIFY ;-)

There you go breaking forum rules again. At least your avatar and profile pic are apropos.

Of course not...

To bad you can't

And of course the courts have never made any mistakes. :roll:

About time you admitted there were flaws in his sentence.

LOL, your reading and comprehension issues are funny.

But you don't call names or cast aspersions....:roll:

If you could read, you'd know I attacked your opinions, not you.

Quite frankly, as flawed as the legal system is, I trust it more than your uneducated, misinformed, uninformed and otherwise ignorant opinions.

I don't cast aspersions either, I simply make observations, supported by people own words.

So in essence, you and the others you mentioned, cast aspersions upon themselves.

All that aside, I see have yet to see you point out the aspersions, innuendo, false accusation and unsupportable claims made by those you have mentioned.

I find that funny, and FYI, it says so much about you.

I don't remember going to court against you....

That's because we haven't faced off in court.

Anyone intelligent will know that I was referring to all the idiotic legal opinions you've posted.

Perhaps this type of forum is beyond your skill level.

... must be that superiority complex rearing its head again...

Nope, just the facts.

... you should really seek professional help.

Yawn, you really should come up with something new. That lame old line is as weak as your ability to discuss topics.

I can recommend an old school-mate of mine in the GTA if you like. ;-)

He didn't help you much.