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I kinda laugh at people in forums who pontificate about siding with gays on this issue or the underdog in others...
It's remindfull of the person who brags about helping a friend change a flat tire, when the only thing he did was hold the flashlight while the friend did all the work...
 

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I kinda laugh at people in forums who pontificate about siding with gays on this issue or the underdog in others...
It's remindfull of the person who brags about helping a friend change a flat tire, when the only thing he did was hold the flashlight while the friend did all the work...




and that is basically what I have been getting at.
 

B00Mer

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Well it's a Federally against the law to possess Marijuana in the United States, NO?

But states like Colorado, California and others have bucked the system and allow the growing and distribution of the federally controlled substance in their state.

Do you think that all states will adhere to the new laws on gay rights and marriage, or do you think there will be some states that want to do as Colorado has done and buck the system??

I expect some lawsuits wouldn't you.. I don't think this saga is over just yet.. we are seeing one of many parts to this story.

I wish it was over.. Ireland, The USA, Canada - in good company.. next Iran, Russia ;)
 

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I kinda laugh at people in forums who pontificate about siding with gays on this issue or the underdog in others...
It's remindfull of the person who brags about helping a friend change a flat tire, when the only thing he did was hold the flashlight while the friend did all the work...
So true, lol.
 

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London Pride parade draws thousands, day after US supreme court ruling
Event features protests against Northern Ireland’s stance on same-sex marriage and celebration of US supreme court’s backing

Tens of thousands of people, many decked in the colours of the rainbow, took to London’s streets on Saturday to celebrate the annual Pride parade just a day after gay marriage was ruled to be legal across the US.

To mark the historic judgment, which ensures that the 14 states with bans on same-sex marriage cannot enforce them, the United States flag joined those of Ireland and Mozambique at the front of the march in recognition of the progress recently in recognising gay rights in all three countries.

More than 250 groups were represented at the parade which ended in Whitehall. There was additional security after Friday’s terrorist attacks in France, Tunisia and Kuwait, with the Met’s deputy assistant commissioner, Helen Ball, saying the force would lay on extra security “to help protect and reassure the public” and to make sure “the public are encouraged to continue with their plans to attend or take part in events as normal”.

Participants kiss as they take part in the annual Pride London parade.
Participants kiss as they take part in the Pride London parade. Photograph: Neil Hall/Reuters
Ruth Hunt, chief executive of Stonewall, said Pride was “a wonderful event that celebrates LGBT equality and how far we’ve come”, adding: “However, we must not lose sight of how much is left to do.


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“The number of reported LGBT hate crimes is on the rise across the UK, our government must address trans-law reform, LGBT people are still being bullied in school and isolated at work, and overseas, many Prides either take place under armed guard or not at all. In fact, it’s illegal to be gay in 75 countries and punishable by death in 10.”

Organisers of the event said earlier this month that they had to “wrestle with a difficult issue” when deciding whether or not to allow a group from Ukip’s LGBT group to enter the parade. Despite having their application rejected “in order to protect participants and ensure the event passes off safely and in the right spirit” several reports on social media suggested that they had joined in without being challenged.

A dog is dressed in a rainbow coat as people gather to watch the annual event.
A dog is dressed in a rainbow coat as people gather to watch the annual event. Photograph: Rob Stothard/Getty
At the parade, campaigner Peter Tatchell held a sign which said: “Northern Ireland! End the same-sex marriage ban. Equal Marriage.”

Gay marriage is legal in Great Britain but not in Northern Ireland.

Robin Windsor, former professional dancer on Strictly Come Dancing, said of the US ruling: “It’s unbelievable that it happened the day before Pride, and it’s put everybody in such a great mood and high spirits, ready for such an amazing weekend.”

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That poor dog being outed like that, lets hope he dont get mugged by a bunch of Rottweilers :)

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Breaking News - Water cannons and Rubber Bullets used on Turkish Gay March.

Come on lets have some criticism or would that be Islamaphobic?

BDS of Turkey anyone on the Left? or are you really just anti-Semitic?

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do you even device bro?
 

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Confederate flag down, rainbow flag up: this is the American pride we've been waiting for | Steven W Thrasher | Comment is free | The Guardian
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This Pride Sunday, as the world celebrates rioters at the Stonewall Inn here in New York who fought back against police brutality and helped advance the cause of personal liberty, the citizens of the United States have something to believe in again.

Here we have an America where, yes, a courageous black woman pulled down the Confederate flag from the South Carolina statehouse, at last, and just the morning after the rainbow flag overtook the face of a nation – from Facebook profile photos to the front lawn of the White House.

— Hayes Brown (@HayesBrown) June 27, 2015
A black president lives in the White House that's lit up by a rainbow. America. pic.twitter.com/vouFAeV3iX

At last, we can be proud.

Related: Ten days that turned America into a better place | Michael Cohen

We can now be proud to live in an America with a black president who can finally own the realities of being black. After these 10 days in June, when he starts the week saying aloud that racism is “not just a matter of it not being polite to say ****** in public” and ends it singing Amazing Grace, Barack Obama is on fire.

We can be proud of a black president who can, at last, talk about race as he did way back in 2008, even as inspiringly as the idealist young citizen wrote in the pages of Dreams from My Father some 20 years ago. Sure, the hope and change have been replaced by grace and humility, but here is a man who walked into a black church on Friday – a church filled with the Holy Ghost, with pain after violence – and let his blackness shine beautifully, to affirm the sanctity that black lives matter.

Sure, these are symbols. But the powerless have challenged the powerful to be great again this June, and for that, we should all be proud.

Related: 'We did it, babe!' – love won the day on the same-sex marriage decision | Steven W Thrasher

We should be proud to live in a nation where the highest tribunal ruled twice – twice in a week! – in ways that that will aid the health and prosperity of people who are poor or queer or both, which is too often the case. By upholding key provisions of the Affordable Care Act and the Fair Housing Act, the US supreme court affirmed that millions will prosper. (Oh, and there was some other good news about gay and lesbian marriages or something this week, too.)

Here is what progressivism looks like in Barack Obama’s America circa 2015, whether it’s too late or not: even after these 10 days in June, we are not satisfied.

As enamored as we may rightfully feel about him right now, the president is not our friend – he is our elected leader. Obama has a year and a half to go, and in that eulogy for South Carolina pastor Clementa Pinckney (a fighter for black and LGBT civil rights himself), the president talked about the very things on which activists from Black Lives Matter and beyond have been pushing him so hard: racial bias in policing, racial bias in prison, racial bias in the voting booth, racial bias in school, racial bias at work. These things apply not just to race, but to gender, to sex, to the most basic things about ourselves.

We can be proud of our president, but we should be prouder still of Jennicet Gutiérrez, the immigrant transgender woman who understood that no hors d’oeuvre is worth your silence in the face of suffering – even when served by a president who would bathe our (not his) White House in rainbow lights just a few days after she interrupted him, bravely.

Related: Same-sex marriage isn't equality for all LGBT people. Our movement can't end | Chelsea Manning

We should be proud of Chelsea Manning, the imprisoned transgender whistleblower who after sacrificing years of her life for speaking up against military violence, continues to dissent from behind bars.

We should be proud of Bree Newsome, the brave black woman who just got out from behind them for tearing down that damned flag.

— Rebecca Cohen (@GynoStar) June 28, 2015
#Hero #WarriorQueen #FreeBree pic.twitter.com/3qSHOijqVc

We can be proud to live in a country where queer black citizens have been at – are still at – the forefront of the fights for racial, sexual, political and economic freedom, from Bayard Rustin in the Southern Christian Leadership Coalition in the 1950s, to Marsha P Johnson at Stonewall in 1969, to Patrisse Cullors and Opal Tometi and Alicia Garza and DeRay Mckesson – the kinds of civil-rights leaders America has been waiting for since Martin Luther King Jr – and the many LGBT voices in the Black Lives Matter movement right now, today.

The American people can be proud to be in the midst a revolution. Our concept of gender is on the defensive, as is our prison industrial complex. The terms “structural racism” and “white supremacy”, usually banished from American discourse, are being spoken about everywhere, across the world. The redistribution of wealth to the rich by those who can’t afford health insurance is beyond stymied, but government subsidies for healthcare were saved. The mythology that race is anything more than a social construct has been exposed. For the first time ever, we have a collective understanding of how many people are actually killed by police, and every aspect of state authority is under examination – drones and troops, love and life, from right and left.

Confederate flag down, rainbow flag up: this is the American pride we've been waiting for | Steven W Thrasher | Comment is free | The Guardian
 

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Geez man, this is the Gay thread, not Confederate Flag thread.. stay on topic. :lol:
He's lonely in his saltiness, and wants people he thinks will be annoyed by the downing of the flag and the legalization of gay marriage to join him.

It's like how alcoholics like drinking buddies, only more pathetic.
 

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Why, the Confederate Flag has absolutely nothing to do with Homosexuality.

Read the article.

 

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Mike Huckabee predicts gay marriage ruling will prompt civil disobedience | US news | The Guardian
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Related: Gay marriage faces southern rebellion as couples hit state bureaucracy's wall

The former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee on Sunday continued to lead the Republican charge against the supreme court’s legalisation of same-sex marriage, predicting civil disobedience in response to Friday’s ruling.

“I don’t think a lot of pastors and Christian schools are going to have a choice,” the 2016 Republican hopeful said, in an appearance on ABC.

“They either are going to follow God, their conscience and what they truly believe is what the scripture teaches them, or they will follow civil law.”

On Saturday, speaking at the Western Conservative Conference in Denver, Huckabee compared the situation for opponents of same-sex marriage to that facing the nation when the 1857 Dred Scott decision said black people could not be US citizens. Regarding that case, he said, Abraham Lincoln, the president who won the civil war and ended slavery in the US, chose to disregard the court’s ruling.

On Sunday, Huckabee recruited another icon of the civil rights movement to make his argument.

“They will go the path of Dr Martin Luther King,” he continued, “who in his brilliant essay the letters from a Birmingham jail [sic] reminded us, based on what St Augustine said, that an unjust law is no law at all.

“And I do think that we’re going to see a lot of pastors who will have to make this tough decision. You’re going to see it on the part of Christian business owners. You’ll see it on the part of Christian university presidents, Christian school administrators.”

Huckabee also repeated his characterisation of the supreme court decision as “judicial tyranny”, an approach he previously compared to that of King George III towards the colonies before the American revolution.

Responses from other Republican presidential hopefuls have varied – if only in how they have expressed their opposition to the concept of same-sex marriage.

Outright opponents include Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal – who on Friday suggested “let’s just get rid of the court” – and Texas senator Ted Cruz, who has backed a constitutional amendment to overturn the court decision and institute elections for supreme court justices. Cruz, who was once a clerk for the supreme court, also supported county clerks refusing licenses to same-sex couples.

Such refusals and other delaying tactics were implemented with official approval in Texas, Louisiana and elsewhere on Friday, although in Texas one Dallas County clerk ignored official views and began marrying same-sex couples.

Others, including former Florida governor Jeb Bush, the leader of most polls regarding the primary field, have said they support traditional marriage but think citizens should abide by the law of the land.

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Michael Robinson and his partner of 14 years, Earl Benjamin, right, hold hands in New Orleans on Friday as they wait – fruitlessly – to be married. Photograph: Chris Granger/AP
Another pragmatist, Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, appeared on NBC on Sunday.

“I don’t believe there is any chance for a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between one man and one woman,” he said, adding that a call for such action in the Republican election platform for 2016 – it was included in 2012 – would hurt the party’s chances.

Graham added: “Accept the court’s ruling. Fight for the religious liberties of every American.”

Related: Same-sex marriage ruling's ripple effect – historic celebrations of love

Jim Obergefell, plaintiff in the case which prompted the supreme court’s decision, also appeared on ABC.

Asked if he had a message to Huckabee – who later said he was “deeply moved” by Obergefell’s comments and said he understood “his personal passions” – and other opponents of same-sex marriage, he said: “Well, I would simply like to say, think about your brother, your son, your sister, your daughter, a dear friend.

“If one of them were gay, they would still be the same person. You would still love them.

“And wouldn’t you want them to enjoy the same rights that you do and that everyone else in this country does? We’re simply asking to be treated equally and fairly and to enjoy the institution of marriage and to be able to commit to the ones we love.”

Mike Huckabee predicts gay marriage ruling will prompt civil disobedience | US news | The Guardian
 

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US Same-Sex Marriage Ruling Likely to Impact Other Countries
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Filipino LGBT (Lesbians Gays Bisexual and Transgenders) couple Allen Grace Bagares, right, and Karen Kaye Sarmiento chat during a "Rite of Holy Union" ceremony in suburban Quezon city, Manila, Philippines, June 28, 2015.

Filipino LGBT (Lesbians Gays Bisexual and Transgenders) couple Allen Grace Bagares, right, and Karen Kaye Sarmiento chat during a "Rite of Holy Union" ceremony in suburban Quezon city, Manila, Philippines, June 28, 2015.

The landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling in favor of same-sex marriages has no legal force outside the United States, but gay rights activists in many parts of the world believe the court ruling will help their cause.

In the Philippines, in India, in Australia and elsewhere, gay rights advocates think the U.S. ruling may help change attitudes, just as American activists - and judges, educators and legislators - had earlier been influenced by the easy acceptance of same-sex marriage in some European countries, where the laws were changed smoothly without much fuss.

In today's wired world, political movements cross national boundaries in the blink of an eye, and the trend toward legal acceptance of same-sex marriage is gaining pace, though still rejected outright in some parts of the globe. The U.S. is neither laggard nor leader in this movement, which reflects a fundamental change in public views in many parts of the world, but the ruling of its highest court is expected to have a ripple effect elsewhere.

In the Philippines, activists seeking to win legal recognition for same-sex marriages believe the U.S. ruling will be useful, particularly since the country's legal setup is largely based on the U.S. system, said Sylvia Estrada Claudio, a gender rights advocate and professor at the University of the Philippines.

"This ruling will have positive repercussions for our own movements here," she said.

The Philippines' civil code limits marriage to a union between a man and a woman but the constitutionality of this proviso is being challenged by a lawyer, Jesus Nicardo Falcis III.

Countries are taking different routes to the same conclusion: the U.S. pathway relied on a Supreme Court ruling to establish that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry, while Ireland last month used a popular vote that showed strong public backing, despite the country's deep Catholic roots.

Influence is a two-way street. Five years ago, Argentina became the first country in Latin America to legalize gay marriage. Activists there said they believe their example helped influence the U.S., and that Friday's U.S. ruling will in turn shape attitudes and actions in other Latin American countries.

"The U.S. decision will have a big impact in other countries," said Esteban Paulon, president of the Argentine Federation of Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals and Transsexuals, adding that his organization contributed documentation to U.S. legal groups arguing the case before the Supreme Court. "Sometimes U.S. influence is negative, but we believe in this case it will be positive and accelerate the process of approving gay marriage in other parts of the world."

Twenty-one countries now allow same-sex marriage, according to the Pew Research Center, and Mexico permits it in some states, with many other countries offering various legal rights that fall short of marriage to same-sex couples. In most of those countries, well-organized advocacy groups are lobbying for full marriage rights.

These movements, and startup campaigns incubating in other countries as well, may get a real but hard-to-measure boost from the U.S. Supreme Court.

In Australia, where parliament may vote on a same-sex marriage law later this year despite opposition from Prime Minister Tony Abbott, legislators who back the measure said the U.S. ruling leaves Australia alone among developed, English-speaking nations in its refusal to legalize marriages between same sex couples.

Opinion polls show backing for the measure has increased in Australia in the month since Ireland endorsed same-sex marriage. Opposition leader Bill Shorten - capitalizing on the momentum building in other countries - introduced the bill in Parliament just days after Ireland voted.

He said Saturday that Australians should see the U.S. ruling as "a call to action." Legislator Janet Rice, Greens Party leader, called the U.S. ruling "the loudest call yet for marriage equality in Australia ."

Still, staunch opposition remains, with Australian Marriage Forum president David van Gend calling the U.S. Supreme Court decision proof of "moral dementia."

"We must not let that happen here," van Gend said.

The issue is different in India, where activists believe the U.S. ruling may make Indian judges and legislators feel uncomfortably isolated by the 2013 Indian Supreme Court decision to reinstate a colonial-era law making homosexuality a crime.

The law calls homosexuality an "unnatural offense" punishable by 10 years in jail. In the past, police have used it to harass people and demand bribes from gays.

Ashok Row Kavi, head of the Humsafar Trust advocacy group, said the U.S. ruling may force India's highest court to take a fresh look at the issue.

"In the light of globalization, the [Indian] Supreme Court judgment is being cited as a totally reactionary judgment," he said. "A judgment that goes against the whole concept of human rights which had been on a progressive upsurge in India."

At gay pride parades in Dublin, Paris and other cities Saturday, the U.S. ruling was hailed by many as a watershed.

"Soon in all countries we will be able to marry," said Celine Schlewitz, a 25-year-old nurse taking part in the Paris parade. "Finally a freedom for everyone."

The U.S. ruling boosted street celebrations Saturday in Dublin, where Ireland mounted the biggest gay rights parade in the country's history.

Led by rainbow banners and drag queens, more than 60,000 people paraded through Dublin at the culmination of a week-long gay rights festival in the Irish capital. While the mood was already high following Ireland's referendum last month to legalize gay marriage - becoming the first nation to do so by popular vote - many marchers said the Supreme Court decision provided a bonus reason to celebrate.

"Everybody seems to be gay in Dublin today," said Sen. David Norris, Ireland's most prominent gay rights activist. He quipped that Ireland was pleased to see the United States, though the Supreme Court judgment, "start to catch up to us."

In other countries where gay sex is treated as a crime, beleaguered activists said they took heart from the U.S. ruling even though same-sex marriage is not on the horizon. In most cases, activists seek to decriminalize homosexuality before pressing for marriage rights and other benefits.

In the deeply conservative Arab world, where homosexuality is regarded as a crime in many countries, some clerics warned that the U.S. ruling would lead to the collapse of civilizations.

In Jordan, where homosexuality is not illegal but is considered taboo, one member of the small gay community said the U.S. ruling is "a victory for human rights in general and gives everyone hope."

He is hopeful same-sex marriage will one day be legal in Jordan.

"In this region, we are going through the dark ages, and when we come out, we will move toward full rights," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he feared the consequences of being identified as gay.

Marriage equality is also not part of the conversation in many parts of Africa, where more than two-thirds of the countries treat homosexuality as a crime.

That is true of Cameroon, which has pursued dozens of prosecutions in recent years under an anti-gay law imposing up to five years in prison for same-sex acts.

Lambert Lamba, a leading Cameroonian activist who has been imprisoned on accusations of violating anti-gay laws, said he was "exulting" in the U.S. ruling.

"It's a giant step for the fight in the United States," he said. "And it confirms for me that we can take giant steps in Cameroon as well."

US Same-Sex Marriage Ruling Likely to Impact Other Countries