Theocons and Theocrats

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Theocons and Theocrats
By Kevin Phillips
The Nation

01 May 2006 Issue

Is theocracy in the United States (1) a legitimate fear, as some liberals argue; (2) a joke, given the nation's rising secular population and moral laxity; (3) a worrisome bias of major GOP constituencies and pressure groups; or (4) all of the above? The last, I would argue.

The characteristics are not inconsistent. No large nation-no leading world power-could ever resemble theocracies like John Calvin's Geneva, Puritan Massachusetts or early Mormon Utah. These were all small polities produced by unusual migrations of true believers.

As a great power, a large heterogeneous nation like the United States goes about as far in a theocratic direction as it can when it meets the unfortunate criteria on display in George W. Bush's Washington: an elected leader who believes himself in some way to be speaking for God; a ruling party that represents religious true believers and seeks to mobilize the nation's churches; the conviction of many rank-and-file Republicans that government should be guided by religion and religious leaders; and White House implementation of domestic and international political agendas that seem to be driven by religious motivations and biblical worldviews.

As several chapters in American Theocracy make clear, this kind of religious excess has been a problem-indeed, a repeating Achilles' heel-of leading powers from late-stage Rome (historian Gibbon thus explained Roman decline and fall) to the militant Catholicism of Habsburg Spain and most recently the evangelical and moral imperialist Britain that saw 1914 as something of an Armageddon against the German Kaiser's Antichrist and wound up in 1917-18 crusading in the Middle East to liberate Jerusalem. But although this facet of historical decline constitutes a major caution regarding the future of the United States, this essay will concentrate on the domestic political aspects-the theocratic tendencies in the GOP and the notable "religification" of American politics across a spectrum from life and death to science and medicine to climate change and biblical creationism.

The Growth of Theocratic Sentiment

The essential US conditions for a theocratic trend fell into place in the late 1980s and '90s with the growing mass of evangelical, fundamentalist and Pentecostal Christianity, expressed politically by the religious right; and the rise of the Republican Party as a powerful vehicle for religious policy-making and eventual erosion of the accepted degree of separation between church and state. This transformation was most vivid at the state level, where fifteen to twenty state Republican parties came under the control of the religious right, and party conventions in the South and West endorsed so-called "Christian nation" platforms. As yet nationally uncatalogued-a shortfall that cries out for a serious research project-these platforms set out in varying degrees the radical political theology of the Christian Reconstructionist movement, ranging from the Bible as the basis for domestic law to an emphasis on religious schools and women's subordination to men. The 2004 platform of the Texas Republican Party is a case in point.

So are the political careers of Pat Robertson and John Ashcroft, two presidential aspirants whose careers were milestones in the theocratization of the Republican Party. Robertson's 1988 presidential bid brought huge numbers of Pentecostals into the Republican Party. Missouri Senator Ashcroft, who explored a presidential race in 1997-98, got much of his funding from Robertson and other evangelicals. Picked as Attorney General by Bush after the 2000 election, Ashcroft was the choice of the religious right. Earlier in his career Ashcroft had decried the wall between church and state as "a wall of religious oppression," and his memoir describes each of his many electoral defeats as a crucifixion and every important political victory as a resurrection, and recounts scenes in which he had friends and family anoint him with oil in the manner "of the ancient kings of Israel."

www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041706m.shtml

This is a medium length article but very scary, it's what is actually running the United States and has command of the largest military and economy on the planet.
 

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So Christians don't have a right to organize and vote?
 

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So George Bush talks to God. I highly doubt he does, but let's assume for the moment he does. And?

Show me a government policy [within the United States] that has passed legislation supporting a religion, any religion.

Show me public funds that are being allocated towards religious groups, any groups.

Show me a court decision that has granted congress endorsing a religion, any religion.

Show me a Supreme Court verdict that defies the Establishment Clause [Separation of Church and State] of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.

Show me any relgious group that is being mistreated in any way in the United States, any religious group.

Show me the above, and I will agree the United States has become a Theocracy. If you can't show me any of the above, then your blowing smoke up our asses.

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Kreskin

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So George Bush talks to God. I highly doubt he does, but let's assume for the moment he does. And?

Show me a government policy [within the United States] that has passed legislation supporting a religion, any religion.

Show me public funds that are being allocated towards religious groups, any groups.

Show me a court decision that has granted congress endorsing a religion, any religion.

Show me a Supreme Court verdict that defies the Establishment Clause [Separation of Church and State] of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.

Show me any relgious group that is being mistreated in any way in the United States, any religious group.

Show me the above, and I will agree the United States has become a Theocracy. If you can't show me any of the above, then your blowing smoke up our asses.

The last refuse of the fringe left, utter lies and deceits. history repeats itself.

Who creates faith-based programs?
 

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That's good Kreskin, but not enough. those moneys have been released to non profit organizations that provide services that aren't religiously connected. As a matter of fact, a lawsuit was filed in Iowa because a school used part of the money for Bible study. Even if they use it, that doesn't mean it won't be struck down. Try again.
 

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Here's a sample for you:

"We just started a new project to look at how faith-based programs are operating, how effective they are and whether they are complying with the Constitution," says Jeremy Gunn, who heads the American Civil Liberties Union's project on Freedom of Religion and Belief.

Several lawsuits have been filed challenging individual programs. Last month, a federal judge in Iowa heard arguments in a lawsuit filed by Lynn's group charging that a faith-based Iowa program counseling prisoners was unconstitutional because it included Bible teaching. About $1.5 million in state and federal money is used to fund the program.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-03-09-faith-based_x.htm
 

Kreskin

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Here's a sample for you:

"We just started a new project to look at how faith-based programs are operating, how effective they are and whether they are complying with the Constitution," says Jeremy Gunn, who heads the American Civil Liberties Union's project on Freedom of Religion and Belief.

Several lawsuits have been filed challenging individual programs. Last month, a federal judge in Iowa heard arguments in a lawsuit filed by Lynn's group charging that a faith-based Iowa program counseling prisoners was unconstitutional because it included Bible teaching. About $1.5 million in state and federal money is used to fund the program.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-03-09-faith-based_x.htm

Sounds like the faith-based votes for food program.
 

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Kreskin, I don't think you are following me. There are three branches of government in the US with separation of powers, it is not like Canada, where the governing party (when a majority) is all powerful. Even if Bush is doing something that is against the Constitution, it will be taken to court and struck down.

Which makes me wonder now that I mentioned Canada, your Constitution Act of 1867 guarantees a publicly funded Roman Catholic school and a public secular school for students(In Quebec at least). May I ask why you think it would be inappropriate for the US to do the same? Now don't get me wrong, I am a Christian, but I have very low tolerance levels of public money going to teach somebody a religion. But I figured Canadians would be used to the idea, so what's up?
 

Kreskin

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Kreskin, I don't think you are following me. There are three branches of government in the US with separation of powers, it is not like Canada, where the governing party (when a majority) is all powerful. Even if Bush is doing something that is against the Constitution, it will be taken to court and struck down.

Which makes me wonder now that I mentioned Canada, your Constitution Act of 1867 guarantees a publicly funded Roman Catholic school and a public secular school for students(In Quebec at least). May I ask why you think it would be inappropriate for the US to do the same? Now don't get me wrong, I am a Christian, but I have very low tolerance levels of public money going to teach somebody a religion. But I figured Canadians would be used to the idea, so what's up?

Apparently Canadians aren't too enthused.
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Kreskin

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Personally I do not support it. I would love this to become a major political issue. Then we'll see what happens.
 

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And I wouldn't be either. But that doesn't really answer my question. Why all the chit chat about Bush when you have been doing the very same thing you condemn for 150 years?
 

Kreskin

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And I wouldn't be either. But that doesn't really answer my question. Why all the chit chat about Bush when you have been doing the very same thing you condemn for 150 years?

Frankly, I had no idea. I will ask my MP to do something about it. I'm sure if Canadians even thought about it they'd turf this in a flash.

Thanks for the heads up.