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weaselwords

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To be honest with you I don't have any faith in the epistles/letters written Paul. He was a convert with a convert's zeal not a witness.
If anyone can devine anything from Revelation other than mystic reference that can be moulded into a thousand different meanings be my guest.
The Gospel of John is a different story however your reference is to a wife grieving her husband and a jealous apostle looking for glory.
 
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All the messages from the prophets as you call them have been tampered with
and no one knows what the truth is. In addition to that everyone has their own
truth and the organized religion or labelled religion Christian, Islam or Jewish
is meaningless. God of the universe would not kill the Muslim Prophet because
many of the followers don't believe. He or She would not killed Christ to atone
for someone else's sins either, nor would he prevent Moses from seeing the
promised land. People have to be responsible for themselves it is almost a law
of the universe therefore someone cannot be targeted for someone else's sins,
or crimes or what ever. All this is explanation to make people feel something.
A feeling of being blessed, or special, a feeling of guilt, a feeling of joy, or doubt
or suspicion. the feelings trip is designed to people belong to something greater
than themselves and therefore the powers that be can make the rules and
control the masses.
Fortunately the great struggle for individual belief and freedom continues. For
centuries, the churches had supreme power in the west and we had a dark ages.
Today in the Middle East they have religion at the center of everything and the
result is, no individual thought or freedom, no human rights, not political and
social freedoms. In the midst of a glimmer of enlightenment on the planet in the
Middle East we see a period of dark ages.
The best I can say, for the western countries, is that we have an enlightened
dark ages, we know the difference but we cling to the power base that continues
to oppress the people. Religion in the beginning was meant to provide a measure
of comfort and peace, and to uplift oppressed people. Today the opposite is true.
Religion today is the measure of how much you belong to one faith or another,
therefore you have to conform to the central belief and give up your independent
belief system. In some countries today that can get you killed, is that oppressive
enough or should I look for more examples?
Religion is going to lose its luster in the coming century as people who are more
educated are going to ask a lot more difficult questions to answer, and people want
facts and scientific proof, Faith won't cut it in the future.
The teachings of Christ or any of the rest of them are not what religion is about today
it is now about politics and I opted out of that a long time ago. I don't need to belong
and it doesn't cost me anything every Sunday or Friday or Saturday either.
Sorry but i want scientific facts and proof, and some assurance the original text has
not been manipulated and I don't think that proof exists at the moment.
 
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weaselwords said:
To be honest with you I don't have any faith in the epistles/letters written Paul. He was a convert with a convert's zeal not a witness.
If anyone can devine anything from Revelation other than mystic reference that can be moulded into a thousand different meanings be my guest.
The Gospel of John is a different story however your reference is to a wife grieving her husband and a jealous apostle looking for glory.
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Mary M. was not the beloved Disciple, Mary the sister of Lazarus was. The children mentioned in connection with her later years are ones she brought into the Church. The Beloved Disciple was not an Apostle, she was A disciple of John the Baptist.

1Jo.1:1:
That which was from the beginning,
which we have heard,
which we have seen with our eyes,
which we have looked upon,
and our hands have handled,
of the Word of life;
1Jo.1:2
(For the life was manifested,
and we have seen it,
and bear witness,
and shew unto you that eternal life,
which was with the Father,
and was manifested unto us;)

2Jo.1:1
The elder unto the elect lady and her children,
whom I love in the truth;
and not I only,
but also all they that have known the truth;

Joh.1:35:
Again the next day after John stood,
and two of his disciples;

Joh.21:24
This is the disciple which testifieth of these things,
and wrote these things:
and we know that his testimony is true.
Lu.10:42
But one thing is needful:
and Mary hath chosen that good part,
which shall not be taken away from her.


Re.17:7
And the angel said unto me,
Wherefore didst thou marvel?
I will tell thee the mystery of the woman,
and of the beast that carrieth her,
which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Combine the explanation and add in everything in Daniel about the 4th beast (esp Da.7) and the mysticism is gone. Imiginary names are still used but you would know who is being referenced and that is all we are supposed to know.
 
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eanassir

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damngrumpy said:
All the messages from the prophets as you call them have been tampered with
and no one knows what the truth is. In addition to that everyone has their own
truth and the organized religion or labelled religion Christian, Islam or Jewish
is meaningless. God of the universe would not kill the Muslim Prophet because
many of the followers don't believe. He or She would not killed Christ to atone
for someone else's sins either, nor would he prevent Moses from seeing the
promised land. People have to be responsible for themselves it is almost a law
of the universe therefore someone cannot be targeted for someone else's sins,
or crimes or what ever. All this is explanation to make people feel something.
A feeling of being blessed, or special, a feeling of guilt, a feeling of joy, or doubt
or suspicion. the feelings trip is designed to people belong to something greater
than themselves and therefore the powers that be can make the rules and
control the masses.
Fortunately the great struggle for individual belief and freedom continues. For
centuries, the churches had supreme power in the west and we had a dark ages.
Today in the Middle East they have religion at the center of everything and the
result is, no individual thought or freedom, no human rights, not political and
social freedoms. In the midst of a glimmer of enlightenment on the planet in the
Middle East we see a period of dark ages.
The best I can say, for the western countries, is that we have an enlightened
dark ages, we know the difference but we cling to the power base that continues
to oppress the people. Religion in the beginning was meant to provide a measure
of comfort and peace, and to uplift oppressed people. Today the opposite is true.
Religion today is the measure of how much you belong to one faith or another,
therefore you have to conform to the central belief and give up your independent
belief system. In some countries today that can get you killed, is that oppressive
enough or should I look for more examples?
Religion is going to lose its luster in the coming century as people who are more
educated are going to ask a lot more difficult questions to answer, and people want
facts and scientific proof, Faith won't cut it in the future.
The teachings of Christ or any of the rest of them are not what religion is about today
it is now about politics and I opted out of that a long time ago. I don't need to belong
and it doesn't cost me anything every Sunday or Friday or Saturday either.
Sorry but i want scientific facts and proof, and some assurance the original text has
not been manipulated and I don't think that proof exists at the moment.
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grumpy
I reached to this conclusion:

When Abraham came, he came against the religions (of his time: the idolatry and the association with God) and he preached the religion of the devotion to God alone.

When Moses came, he came against the religions (of his time: the idolatry of Pharaoh, in addition to the association with God practiced by Moses people), and he preached to the devotion to God alone (as is it implied by The First Commandment)

When Jesus came, he came against the religions (of his time: the association with God practiced by his people) and he preached The First Commandment: the devotion to God alone.

When Mohammed came in the like manner, he rejected the religions of his time: the idolatry: and preached the devotion to God alone and that no god but God.

Now, we also reject all the religions and invite people to the exclusive devotion to God alone.

When those prophets: like Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed came and preached primarily and before anything else the devotion to God alone, then the following generations started to classify and put some bases and rules and derive and deduct until they reached to somethig different from the original God's religion: to devote themselves to God: the Creator and Most Gracious.

And as such the story is repeated.

The best example is what the followers of Jesus practice and believe in the present time which is completely different from the First Commandment and from the exclusive devotion to God alone: that is by glorifying the apostle himself whom God sent to them to teach them that.
 
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YukonJack

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eanassir, would you please, once and for all, stop referring to Jesus as a "prophet".

Why do Muslims insist on bringing The Son Of God down to the level of their pedophile, misogynist and terrorist "prophet"?
 
MHz

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I'm going to use that as another sign that there is a God after all.

My references was about your affiliation to the RCC, I was under the impression to were a member (good or bad aspects not being part of the issue for once)
 
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YukonJack

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MHz said:
Isn't ger a Christian?
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First of all, it's not 'ger' it's gerryh. Give the man the respect he deserve even it means that you can save three keystrokes.

I believe gerryh is a decent Christian, based on his posts, I can not judge him otherwise. I just wish he cut down on profanities misspelled or otherwise.
 
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I'm going to use that as another sign that there is a God after all.

My references was about your affiliation to the RCC, I was under the impression to were a member (good or bad aspects not being part of the issue for once)
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If one is to use you as a marker, with your hatred of Jews and Catholics, then I am not a Christian. This is just for starters.
 
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YukonJack said:
First of all, it's not 'ger' it's gerryh. Give the man the respect he deserve even it means that you can save three keystrokes.

I believe gerryh is a decent Christian, based on his posts, I can not judge him otherwise. I just wish he cut down on profanities misspelled or otherwise.
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I can call you jackass and you (and everybody) knows who I mean, and if you say something profane (or whatever) the name could be appropriate. Besides he's already offended to the max by me so missing 3 letters (that pointed to a 'friendly' term, which is what got you the jackass title) didn't make the pile any higher, .... just wider if anything.
 
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