The "who, what, when, where and why" of American History.

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American History is fascinating, this is a very, very deep read !


I discovered it by accident yesterday, I don't imagine this kind of rare, common sense makes it to the mainstream media, does it?

If anybody has any more information about the elusive Doorman, please post.

This link taught me a thing or two about democracy that they forgot to mention in school.
 

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I'm not a noob, thank you very much, but to be honest, I don't even know what that means but it rhymes with you-know-what !
 

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I'm not a noob, thank you very much, but to be honest, I don't even know what that means but it rhymes with you-know-what !
No offense commonsense. But you now have two posts, the first of which contained a blind link. So ya, you be a noob.

Some people have far to much respect for their puter's, to blindly click, blind links.

Perhaps, posting a taste of whatever it is you wish to express would be, well, commonsense.
 

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World English Dictionary
noob (nuːb) n slang another word for newbie Also written: n00b


By George, you are trying to disparage the "newcomer" aspect of my post.

I was hoping for a more formal discussion.

I disagree.

"Dig deep, or taste not at all..."
 

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By George, you are trying to disparage the "newcomer" aspect of my post.
If you weren't a noob, you'd know that my commentary, wasn't disparaging. I get worse.

I was hoping for a more formal discussion.
Then perhaps posting a snippet of your very, very deep read, would make sense.

I disagree.
With what?

"Dig deep, or taste not at all..."
Click blindly, and risk the virtual sniffles.
 

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This is a very interestin snippet !

Those who claim that John Dean betray Richard Nixon do not understand the fact that he essentially protected him by putting on a show that effectively blocked a substantive probe of Richard Nixon's massive, criminal operations.

Needless to say, the details that Dean did not expose were far more serious than the so-called "third rate burglary," the term commonly used to dismiss the seriousness of Watergate. The White House Transcripts, the New York Times release about the Watergate tapes, provide some insight about matters that Dean failed to disclose. In particular, an obscure quotation which ties him directly to the Kennedy assassination cover up, reads as follows:
Sept. 16. At a news conference, President Nixon says, would remind all concerned that the way we got into Vietnam was through.. the complicity in the murder of Diem.[SIZE=-1]18[/SIZE]​
This distortion which places blame for the Vietnam war on the assassination of Diem, (rather than on the Kennedy assassination which provided the opportunity to engage combat troops) betrays the organized deception that Howard Hunt also engaged, when he forged diplomatic cables to create the false impression that Kennedy had ordered the murder of Diem.


The attempt to create false documentation to "prove" that assassination of Diem is responsible for American involvement in Vietnam war, was supposed to cover up the truth about the assassination of President Kennedy, but it has not.

Nixon always invented a delusion or a cover story to misrepresent actions like his obsession to reverse Kennedy's morally grounded foreign policy agenda and every explanation was contrary to reason. He called himself a peacemaker, but he waged war. The U.S. dropped more than 7 million tons of bombs on Indochina -nearly three times the tonnage dropped in World War II and Korea combined, and he bragged because...? He claimed that he never obstructed justice but he always did. He called himself a patriot but he deployed the tactics of a terrorist. He claimed the duty to protect the national security interests of the United States but he provoked the greatest constitutional crisis in American history. The following passage from his diary betrays the scope of his ignorance, hatred and intolerance:
When I saw some of the antiwar people and the rest, I'd simply hold up the "V" or the one thumb up; this really knocks them for a loop because they think this is their sign. Some of them break into a smile. Others, of course, just become more hateful. I think as the war recedes as an issue, some of these people are going to be lost souls. They basically are haters , they are frustrated, they are alienated-they don't know what to do with their lives.
I think perhaps the saddest group will be those who are the professors, and particularly the young professors and the associate professors on the college campuses and even in the high schools. They wanted to blame somebody else for their own failures to inspire the students.
I can think of those Ivy League presidents who came to see me after Kent State, and who were saying, please don't leave the problem to us -I mean let the government do something. None of them would take any of the responsibility themselves.[SIZE=-1]19[/SIZE]
His reference to Kent State and the so-called weak, pitiful professors who scrambled around Nixon for protection, betrays the psychosis of a deep and hopeless delusion. At Kent State, students who were protesting the war in Cambodia were confronted by National Guardsmen [or Nixon cronies in disguise] who calmly levelled guns, aimed and fired into a crowd of students. When it was all over, four students were dead, eleven were wounded, and Richard Nixon appears to be elated because he evidently thinks that Kent State betrayed "the weakness of the professors."

It appears as if the hateful Richard Nixon was motivated by the obsession to make the cost of dissent very clear, but that is not what freedom is. Jeffrey Glen Miller, one of the victims, had reached the decision that he would never go to Vietnam to kill, and he wanted to make his intent clear. He was shot in the head. Bill Schroeder was a nineteen year old sophomore who was disgusted by the thought of the senseless killing. He was shot and killed. Sandra Lee Scheuer was filled with hope, humour and the will to live. She was shot and killed. Allison Krause was an honour student who despised the fact that Nixon had called anti-war demonstrators "bums." She was shot and killed. Richard Nixon was determined to prove that the Vietnam war was a moral and strategic imperative and anyone who did not agree was weak and deluded. he responded by defiantly escalating the bombing. Predictably, he responded to the Kent State massacre by blaming the protestors, and he made that very clear when he wrote, "When dissent turns to violence, it invites tragedy."[SIZE=-1]20[/SIZE] There were about five hundred students and about one hundred National Guardsmen at Kent State. There was no legitimate reason to indiscriminately fire into a crowd of students without provocation. But as far as Richard Nixon was concerned, dissent was provocation. The students threatened to interfere with the bombing of Cambodia, and that "invited tragedy" that Nixon conveniently justified when he said: "Public opinion seemed to rally during the weeks after Kent State, when the military success of the Cambodian operation became increasingly apparent."[SIZE=-1]21[/SIZE]The astounding, relentless capacity to justify every brutality is overwhelming. Nixon cited his remarkable gallup poll, 65% approval rating and the pleasing survey which indicated that 58% blamed "demonstrating students" for Kent State while only 11% blamed the National Guard.[SIZE=-1]22[/SIZE] In retrospect, 100% should have blamed Richard Nixon for all the violence because he was evidently behind every assassination. Nixon and his cronies were essentially criminals who were motivated by their national security-inspired delusions, and as far as they were concerned, Kent State was simply a public relations triumph.

The Watergate scandal forced Nixon to resign and most Americans thought they had heard the last of Nixon -well they had, but that was only because Nixon prudently kept a low profile -even though he continued to carry a big stick. As Nixon biographer Sam Anson has uncovered, Nixon has had an almost uninterrupted capacity to influence White House decision making. Code-named the Wizard, Richard Nixon had direct access to the Ford White House through an elaborate secret communication set up. Nixon's almost unbroken link to the White House was briefly interrupted by the Carter administration. He predictably loathed Carter because he wasn't fanatically anti-Communist.


When Reagan won the election, Nixon's white House power was omnipotent because Reagan was a hands-off President who gave Nixon and CIA Director, Bill Casey the opportunity to direct American foreign policy. Historian, Sam Anson described the incredible degree of influence that Nixon exercised over the Reagan White House when he said:
Nixon gets into his office every morning about 7:30. By noon he Will have made and taken 40 calls, most of them to Washington. First he calls the White House and talks to (presidential counsellor) Ed Meese, (national security adviser) Bud McEarlane, and President Reagan. Then he starts working the State Department. Everyone from (Secretary of State) George Schultz on down. He not only gives advice on foreign policy, but on politics in general. What he says is taken very seriously.[SIZE=-1]23[/SIZE]​
 

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Interesting, but not very deep. Nor all that revealing. Except to see into someones opinion and assumptions of and about certain events.
 

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Interesting, but not very deep. Nor all that revealing. Except to see into someones opinion and assumptions of and about certain events.


Are you kidding me?


I don't think it gets any deeper than, "who, what, where, when and why".

The snippet is just a snippet of the "why" !


This is far more than "just interesting" -in my opinion, and it is all common sense....
 

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It's great to be agreeable with you, I hope this is the beginning of a long and loving relationship, in the virtual reality sense, of course !

I thought your handle was "bearhug" !
 

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Bear - I see you have made a snack of "Common Sense" , sliced, diced and sautéed -be careful as it may cause indigestion.

What other wonders will CS AKA Noob reveal from the depths of history - How many men protected Nixon - What a shocker that is -
 

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It's great to be agreeable with you, I hope this is the beginning of a long and loving relationship, in the virtual reality sense, of course !
I doubt it. Your definition of "deep" is my definition of spin and predictable interpretation of factual events, to suit an ideology.

I thought your handle was "bearhug" !
I'm more the mauling type of Bear.
 

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That's what I like about Liberals, they are open-minded !

I doubt it. Your definition of "deep" is my definition of spin and predictable interpretation of factual events, to suit an ideology.

I'm more the mauling type of Bear.


On the contrary, the link is anti-spin.

As you know, common sense is about Communication, not Spin !
 

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Bear - I see you have made a snack of "Common Sense" , sliced, diced and sautéed -be careful as it may cause indigestion.
I have Rolaids in ample supply.

What other wonders will CS AKA Noob reveal from the depths of history - How many men protected Nixon - What a shocker that is -
Now if we wanted to talk about how Reagan was sheltered and protected by those around him, we could have a common ground.

The shocker is the depth and the nature of his crimes.
Not really.

The shocker is the lengths that one will go to interpret events in such a way to perpetuate and prop their ideology.

Actually, that's a lie, I'm not shocked at all.
 

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Nixon was the idealogue, he successfully covered up most of his crimes, and the link I posted has brilliantly exposed them.

And that is why it is all about common sense.
 

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That's what I like about Liberals, they are open-minded !
Until you disagree with them.

On the contrary, the link is anti-spin.
In your opinion. I can pick apart your article and show you all the spin if you want.

As you know, common sense is about Communication, not Spin !
Actually, it's more like what people in common would believe in.

So I have no doubt that you will find people who believe the spin isn't their, because they will read it just like you did.

You and I have the fact that we breath and are alive in common. On that we likely agree on commonsense. After that, it's all up to perceptions. Yours will greatly differ from mine.
 
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