The United States of Torture

[peapod]

I listened and watched col. Janis Karpinski, the former head of Abu Ghraib, or should I say scapegoat. Its clear the united states government does not uphold or honor the geneva convention. They continued sadam work at abu ghraib. What a feckin disgrace! Someday these people must be held accountable, just has they want terrorists held accountable. They have the nerve to talk about syria, they are not better, they are worse. The truth will come out about the acts of committed. They should and deserve to be brought before the world to stand trial for the crimes they have committed. Anyone in the canadian government who aided and abetted the american government in their dis regarding the geneva convention should be on trial, right along with them.



Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; pouring cold water on naked detainees; beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape; allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell; sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick, and using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.


There was stunning evidence to support the allegations, Taguba added—“detailed witness statements and the discovery of extremely graphic photographic evidence.” Photographs and videos taken by the soldiers as the abuses were happening were not included in his report, Taguba said, because of their “extremely sensitive nature.”

One can only imagine what they are doing in the CIA secret prisons, some day we are going to know that, and on that day, america better hang there head in shame.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/26/1423248

 

[moghrabi]

RE: The United States of

F*cking A-holes. I can't believe this shit is going on and the US wants terrorism to stop.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: The United States of

F*cking A-holes. I can't believe this shit is going on and the US wants terrorism to stop.

ya know......not sure they do want "terrorism" to stop. What would they use as an excuse to WAR, TORTURE, KILL and MAIM.....with their extravagant military equipment. ???? They would have to create another fecking lie. The "military" defines america. They glamorize war , and the power , that war gives them. Warriors are "heros" in their minds......and they worship their heros. their heros assume "god" like properties after a while. ..........and no matter what ugliness they do......it is acceptable or they find an excuse for it.

america has so much invested in the military it has to do something to show for it. ......and WAR is the demo of choice.

(Roman emperors would be green with envy......but completely understand the current u.s. mindset. A kinship written in blood) Rome had a fascination/obsession with "heros" too. Idol worship is not dead..)--

 

[no1important]

RE: The United States of

Well terrorism will be front and centre and will continue until they can engage in a new cold war with China.

The US spends so much money on the military they have to find a "threat" to justify it.

 

[moghrabi]

RE: The United States of

So Communism disappeared and so the confrontation. They had to create another boggy threat (terrorism). I agree with no1, until they have a real enemy, terrorism will prosper.

But I wonder if most of the terrorists are made up in the USof A

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: The United States of

So Communism disappeared and so the confrontation. They had to create another boggy threat (terrorism). I agree with no1, until they have a real enemy, terrorism will prosper.

But I wonder if most of the terrorists are made up in the USof A

the u.s. is the author of most of its problems... and with the anger at it......it follows that it inadvertantly creates terrorists. Forget all the nonsense that the bush cabal has been spewing about terrorists "hating" the american freedoms". That is just malarky. It has to do with how the us has been treating the ME..... with it's bias towards Israel.......etc etc. the political dynamics have bred anger and hatred of the US for some time. They have just morphed into active terrorism in the past few years. (well before 9-11). The US did not deal effectively with all the previous terror attacks on US interests so the terrorists got bolder. Progressive nature of it.

9-11 and bush have made terrorism into something else entirely.........and the rest of the world sees this.....as do the terrorists. the invasion of Iraq has just fostered more rage at the US ........and this rage will continue to morph into more terrorism.

It has been evident all along that bush cabal needs terrorism to define his presidency. ......and to further his own agenda.. whatever it might be. Can't tell.......as the chap is a pathological lier. who can only robotically repeat the same tiresome phrases.

 

[Jo Canadian]

 

[jjw1965]

US forces 'used chemical weapons' during assault on city of Fallujah

Powerful new evidence emerged yesterday that the United States dropped massive quantities of white phosphorus on the Iraqi city of Fallujah during the attack on the city in November 2004, killing insurgents and civilians with the appalling burns that are the signature of this weapon.More...

 

[Ocean Breeze]

S Lied to Britain Over Use of Napalm in Iraq War
by Colin Brown

American officials lied to British ministers over the use of "internationally reviled" napalm-type firebombs in Iraq.



The US has used internationally reviled weapons that the UK refuses to use, and has then apparently lied to UK officials, showing how little weight the UK carries in influencing American policy.

Mike Lewis
The Iraq Analysis Group
Yesterday's disclosure led to calls by MPs for a full statement to the Commons and opened ministers to allegations that they held back the facts until after the general election.

Despite persistent rumors of injuries among Iraqis consistent with the use of incendiary weapons such as napalm, Adam Ingram, the Defense minister, assured Labour MPs in January that US forces had not used a new generation of incendiary weapons, codenamed MK77, in Iraq.

But Mr Ingram admitted to the Labour MP Harry Cohen in a private letter obtained by The Independent that he had inadvertently misled Parliament because he had been misinformed by the US. "The US confirmed to my officials that they had not used MK77s in Iraq at any time and this was the basis of my response to you," he told Mr Cohen. "I regret to say that I have since discovered that this is not the case and must now correct the position."

Mr Ingram said 30 MK77 firebombs were used by the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force in the invasion of Iraq between 31 March and 2 April 2003. They were used against military targets "away from civilian targets", he said. This avoids breaching the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCW), which permits their use only against military targets.

Britain, which has no stockpiles of the weapons, ratified the convention, but the US did not.

The confirmation that US officials misled British ministers led to new questions last night about the value of the latest assurances by the US. Mr Cohen said there were rumors that the firebombs were used in the US assault on the insurgent stronghold in Fallujah last year, claims denied by the US. He is tabling more questions seeking assurances that the weapons were not used against civilians.

Mr Ingram did not explain why the US officials had misled him, but the US and British governments were accused of a cover-up. The Iraq Analysis Group, which campaigned against the war, said the US authorities only admitted the use of the weapons after the evidence from reporters had become irrefutable.

Mike Lewis, a spokesman for the group, said: "The US has used internationally reviled weapons that the UK refuses to use, and has then apparently lied to UK officials, showing how little weight the UK carries in influencing American policy."

He added: "Evidence that Mr Ingram had given false information to Parliament was publicly available months ago. He has waited until after the election to admit to it - a clear sign of the Government's embarrassment that they are doing nothing to restrain their own coalition partner in Iraq."

The US State Department website admitted in the run-up to the election that US forces had used MK77s in Iraq. Protests were made by MPs, but it was only this week that Mr Ingram confirmed the reports were true.

Mike Moore, the Liberal Democrat defense spokes-man, said: "It is very serious that this type of weapon was used in Iraq, but this shows the US has not been completely open with the UK. We are supposed to have a special relationship.

"It has also taken two months for the minister to clear this up. This is welcome candor, but it will raise fresh questions about how open the Government wished to be... before the election."

The MK77 bombs, an evolution of the napalm used in Vietnam and Korea, carry kerosene-based jet fuel and polystyrene so that, like napalm, the gel sticks to structures and to its victims. The bombs lack stabilizing fins, making them far from precise.

gosh..........the bush regime would never lie to its best friend ..........now would it??? (sarcasm)

( in a NY second...... :evil:

 

[moghrabi]

RE: The United States of

I hope Bush and everyone helping him burn in Phosphorous hell.

 

[no1important]

Cheney's quiet bid to limit restrictions
Vice president has spent a year opposing rules on interrogations

What a sick fecker if you ask me. :evil:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10918.htm


"we have become criminals".......

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