The uniquely Canadian fear of private health care: No other universal system bans it like we do

The_Foxer

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They are not banned. They are everywhere and used everywhere.
Privately owned but still controlled and paid for by the gov't system. And for very specific uses only. They're talking about having actual private care where insurance or individuals pay instead of the gov't. I get what you're saying and that's true but that's not what they mean by 'private'.
 

petros

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Privately owned but still controlled and paid for by the gov't system. And for very specific uses only. They're talking about having actual private care where insurance or individuals pay instead of the gov't. I get what you're saying and that's true but that's not what they mean by 'private'.
Well, the clinics are far better managed, better equipped, pay health professionals far better and are non-Union. If Govt pays the same its better for patients in the end.

My doc is at a private clinic that is fully equipped to do 90% of what an ED can do for walk ins.

Too many stubbed toes, runny noses and addicts costing Provinces 4X as much as what a clinic charges are gobbling resources at ED or Trauma.
 

The_Foxer

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Well, the clinics are far better managed, better equipped, pay health professionals far better and are non-Union. If Govt pays the same its better for patients in the end.
Sure. But because of political reasons and such they're reluctant to expand that and worse they won't allow people to go and deal with them directly either through their own money or through insurance. They only allow a limited number and cap the various services they offer. So while it's a good thing we have them they're no where even close to what their potential can be.

Imagine if you could buy insurance that said "if the gov't can't do a hip replacement for you in less than 18 months then we'll pay for it directly at a private clinic". Thoroughly illegal right now but imagine. Knowing that private clinics would pop up and it would be worth investing the money to be able to provide such services privately. That way if the gov't failed to provide, the private sector could provide. That's the kind of thing they're talking about.

There's a compex reason why it's hard for the gov't to make adjustments on the fly based on need, they have to play a very long term game and funding from the feds is rarely guaranteed. But the private sector is much more flexible.

Too many stubbed toes, runny noses and addicts costing Provinces 4X as much as what a clinic charges are gobbling resources at ED or Trauma.
That is absolutely the truth. When something is "free" people tend to waste it.
 

petros

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Its the Unions fighting against non-Union clinics who are gobbling up their members.

Govt gets off the hook for needing to build, equip and maintain the hospital as near permanent. Clinics can come and go to high demand areas after demographics change without Govt losing.

Mobile services too. A motorcoach could easily be converted into a rolling clinic that goes town hopping or on rezes.
 
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The_Foxer

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Its the Unions fighting against non-Union clinics who are gobbling up their members.

Govt gets off the hook for needing to build, equip and maintain the hospital as near permanent. Clinics can come and go to high demand areas after demographics change without Govt losing.

Mobile services too. A motorcoach could easily be converted into a rolling clinic that goes town hopping or on rezes.
The problem is the feds also have to sign off on all that due to the health act, and some have been open to it and some have not. At the end of the day the efficiencies and solutions are out there, but nobody wants to make it happen enough to push it through against the opposition.