The ugly truth Why we couldn’t save the people of New Orlean

jimmoyer

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RE: The ugly truth Why we couldn’t save the people of New Or

The state is fighting for its life, and must exaggerate its inhumane, life-destroying capacities in order to terrify the rest of us into structured obedience.

Gandhi: “The individual has a soul, but the State is a soulless machine, it can never be weaned from the violence to which it owes its very existence.”

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That is certainly one way to look at it Ocean Breeze and Ghandi is correct of course.

But !

So was Hobbes.

When Hobbes wrote "Leviathan" he describes a state of nature that makes man's life, nasty, brutish and short and so without security, without law and order, without the harsh discipline of the state then you will get what you see in New Orleans.

And so the Leviathan, the State is created to avoid a horrible state of nature that will make our lives nasty, brutish and short, and we willingly give up some of this anarchic freedom to the state in exchance for security to our persons.

And in positing this line of thought Hobbes gave every free thinker the idea that we have rights borne to us and it is for us to give some of it to the state for our security.
 

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Re: The ugly truth Why we couldn’t save the people of New Or

Oh great, quotes from hobbes where neocons get their philosophical basis from he is a dirt bag, along with machiavelli and edmund burke.
 

jimmoyer

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RE: The ugly truth Why we couldn’t save the people of New Or

Let me give you my best argument Peapod !!!

Aw c'mon !

Now for my second best argument, Peapod !

I've seen all manner of people and persuasions refer to the philosophers and thinkers of yesteryear and I don't care who uses them for what purpose except for what those old guys said themselves.

Read it for yourself.

Don't depend on someone else.

LOL !
 

Jo Canadian

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