There you have a success, but still against all odd, having to succeed in spite of laws in our favour.
The 'two founding races', the 'four founding churches', and our place in Canada
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There you have a success, but still against all odd, having to succeed in spite of laws in our favour.
No, not against all odds. I can guarantee though that YOU wouldn't like what their Chief has to say about the other FN's that "choose" to stay in poverty.
Look at the stuff he's accomplished or trying to accomplish:
Chief Robert Louie
A few example quotes:
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Throughout his past terms in office as Chief of Westbank First Nation, Mr. Louie has achieved significant accomplishments including:
Had we had a just system of government, his grandfather would have accomplished most of this.
Gerry and Captain Morgan, let me ask a question.
According to the following study, Canada subsidizes French and English to the tune of at least 2.4 billion dollars yearly:
Federal and provincial bilingualism requirements cost Canadian taxpayers $2.4 billion annually; provinces spend $900 million to provide dual-language services | Fraser Institute
If you are a First Nation living off reserve, you're paying the taxes towards this. Yet how much of your tax money would go towards your languages and your cultures?
Some provinces also allow one's tax money to go to separate Catholic schools. But if you are an indigenous Canadian living off reserve, you do not get to have your taxes go towards a school that respects your own spiritual traditions.
Of course you can choose to stay on reserve, but then because treaties aren't honoured, schools are so underfunded that some indigenous kids today are still leaving home to go to high school off reserve, very much as they had to leave home to go to residential school.
The list goes on.
So, do you agree with special language privileges for French and English? Do you agree with special privileges for Catholics but not indigenous spirituality off reserve?
Also, any company exploiting natural resources pays taxes to the federal and provincial governments, and usually not first nations, which means that all those resources too go towards subsidizing our slanted system.
Chief Robert Louie
A few example quotes:
"
Throughout his past terms in office as Chief of Westbank First Nation, Mr. Louie has achieved significant accomplishments including:
- Approved the self-government agreement with Canada
- Passed and implemented the WFN Land Code
- Build and Operated Grizzly Wood Products
- Completed the expansion of IR#10 water system
- Installed IR#10 sewage system
- Initiated the WFN Economic Development Commission
- Revamped the WFN Administration
- Re-introduced Okanagan Language Program in School District #23
- Structured a long term community forest license with B.C.
- Entered into continuing negotiations with the province on the Okanagan Lake Bridge and Westside Road interchanges "
Had we had a just system of government, his grandfather would have accomplished most of this.
Gerry and Captain Morgan, let me ask a question.
According to the following study, Canada subsidizes French and English to the tune of at least 2.4 billion dollars yearly:
Federal and provincial bilingualism requirements cost Canadian taxpayers $2.4 billion annually; provinces spend $900 million to provide dual-language services | Fraser Institute
If you are a First Nation living off reserve, you're paying the taxes towards this. Yet how much of your tax money would go towards your languages and your cultures?
Some provinces also allow one's tax money to go to separate Catholic schools. But if you are an indigenous Canadian living off reserve, you do not get to have your taxes go towards a school that respects your own spiritual traditions.
Of course you can choose to stay on reserve, but then because treaties aren't honoured, schools are so underfunded that some indigenous kids today are still leaving home to go to high school off reserve, very much as they had to leave home to go to residential school.
The list goes on.
So, do you agree with special language privileges for French and English? Do you agree with special privileges for Catholics but not indigenous spirituality off reserve?
Also, any company exploiting natural resources pays taxes to the federal and provincial governments, and usually not first nations, which means that all those resources too go towards subsidizing our slanted system.
The West Bank band made their money by leasing off all of their reserve to multi national corporations. They are claiming New Denver as part of their territory (Sinixt territory) so they can move their people to the west Kootenays to live as very little is left on their reserve that is habitable and they want to lease that off too. The chief if filthy rich but his people have to move off reserve. Yup, sounds like he has learned well from his white masters.
Why haven't the other bands done the same? Why are so many still living in poverty, like the westbank band was before Cheif Louis?
That's what you don't get, he didn't wait for the feds to do anything for him, he did it himself for his people. A lot of other Bands don't like him because he tells it like it is. He calls them lazy. He tells them that they shouldn't "expect" anything from anyone else. He tells them to get off their asses and do something about their situation instead of expecting someone else to do it for them.
French and English are Canada's official languages, period. The Catholic School system is written into the agreements for when those provinces entered into Confederation. Suck it up buttercup. Don't like it, move somewhere else.
Any band that doesn't have the same agreement, is doing a piss poor job of representing it's people. It is up to THEM to make the agreements, not anyone else.
typical response from someone that "claims" to support First Nations, but in reality, would prefer that they DIDN'T succeed in anything and stayed "in their place".
The last residential school closed its doors in 1996! I don't know when Westbank got a school on-reserve, but I imagine they could not start to build until then.
He may or may not be right. Westbank may or may not have been in a lucky location economically, etc. I don't know.
They became the official language of Parliament while before the Metis rebellions. The Official Languages Act was passed at the height of the Residential School era in the 60's when there were the largest number of students in Residential School. This is why the B&B Commission completely dismissed their languages. Residential Schools were still around in the 1980s when additional language provisions for French and English were put into the Indian Act.
And the Catholic School system did more than just get special rights in the constitution. It also got a sweet deal with the Federal Government to participate in the residential school system. Do you defend all of this?
Any band that doesn't have the same agreement, is doing a piss poor job of representing it's people. It is up to THEM to make the agreements, not anyone else.
typical response from someone that "claims" to support First Nations, but in reality, would prefer that they DIDN'T succeed in anything and stayed "in their place".[/QUOTE]
The Catholic School systems in Ontario and Alberta participated in the Residential Schools? You have proof of this?
You're wasting your time Gerry.... Buddy sees all FN's as victims - and will for ever regardless of the virtues that they represent.
In his eyes, FN's have no potential, in his eyes, FN's have no virtues - they are all 'children' and will never achieve anything more that is graciously offered by whitey or without his divine intervention... It's a lost cause trying to deal with narrow-minded clowns.
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Centuries ago the church had ultimate power and they abused it.
Over the centuries specific governments dictate the agenda of
life and abused their powers.
Over the centuries some governments teamed up with the church
and brought us witch hunts and worse.
Over the last couple of centuries the government teamed up with
the church and produced the residential schools an ugly chapter
of history where both the government and the church abused their
powers.
It was never mentioned because it was cultural genocide practice
in the name of religion sanctioned by government. Don't want you
hearing that stuff not politically correct.
Its time we cleaned the whole mess up and exposed the churches
and governments for what they stood for. No not a witch hunt a
search for justice.
Over the centuries specific governments dictate the agenda of
life and abused their powers.
Over the centuries some governments teamed up with the church
and brought us witch hunts and worse.
Over the last couple of centuries the government teamed up with
the church and produced the residential schools an ugly chapter
of history where both the government and the church abused their
powers.
It was never mentioned because it was cultural genocide practice
in the name of religion sanctioned by government. Don't want you
hearing that stuff not politically correct.
Its time we cleaned the whole mess up and exposed the churches
and governments for what they stood for. No not a witch hunt a
search for justice.
bullshyte, when it comes to the Catholic Church, a witch hunt describes perfectly what you want.
Had me wondering, too, gerry. I mean Westbank, BC is Westbank, BC, not West Bank and the only West Bank I know is in the ME.
Interesting about buying out the treaties. If the natives won't make an offer, perhaps Canada could.
Wonder what he has to say about the whiteeyes that choose to stay in poverty.
Anyway, some natives have had a go at making stuff work for them. Westbank and Oliver/Osoyoos are a couple like that. A few others probably don't have the leadership for it and it hasn't looked like the gov't helps much in that respect. Like Westbank's previous chief. He didn't give a crap as long as he got rich. Derrickson learned well from the greediest sorts of white people.
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BS. The Westbank area is more habitable than the Oliver/Osoyoos area (if it were not for the lakes it would be desert whereas there are quite a few lakes around Westbank) and yet Clarence Louis and his band have used the resources there to develop a pretty good outfit.
Westbank is in the middle of the Okanagan right across the lake from Kelowna. It's an area where the tourist traffic stampedes to.
Used to be some logging in the Okanagan but I have a suspicion that the last Dipper gov't here pretty much killed it. That pretty much leaves the valley as a tourist mecca.
Thanks for the clarification; obviously this could not be replicated in many regions.
The same Church ran both, but the Catholic School system in the provinces had nothing to do with the residential schools. I REALLY wish you would research what you spout off about before putting finger to keyboard. Educate yourself...... maybe go to....what was it...... Sweden?..... and avail yourself of THEIR voucher system.
I'd gone through the separate school system Gerryh, and guess what. I'd never heard of the residential school system in school. Ashamed of history?
and I went through the public system and heard diddly squat about the residential schools...... you realize that the basic core curriculum is the same for both public and separate...right?....... and that core curiculum is put together by the Province not the School Boards? So if you want to blame someone for not including something in the curriculum......blame the government.
