The Truth About Taxes
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I agree, I've been in that boat too and avoided eating garbage on the streets because of assistance. If it wasn't for that it would've been harder to bounce back and get to where I am now...paying taxes, hopefully to help others. ( :x if spent right)
if that's the case then why does the article say that 36% of the population earns 70,000 or more(in your opinion)?
Part of the reason I ask is because in all the stats I can find it's either divided by province (some province's have an higher income) and all stats seem to suggest that women do not on average make as much as men. So if 39k is earned by the man then 78k is not feasible same as if 39k is earned by the female.....
He's still trying to diddle the numbers, Twila.
BA, your point about the NDP plan discriminating against men is just stupid. The plan is based on income. If so many women weren't stuck in low paying jobs, the gender gap wouldn't exist and wouldn't come into play.
The policies that the Conservatives put forth would make the gender gap worse. We would have more women with less money simply because they don't fit into Harper's ideal Beaver Cleaver world.
BA, your point about the NDP plan discriminating against men is just stupid. The plan is based on income. If so many women weren't stuck in low paying jobs, the gender gap wouldn't exist and wouldn't come into play.
The policies that the Conservatives put forth would make the gender gap worse. We would have more women with less money simply because they don't fit into Harper's ideal Beaver Cleaver world.
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Gee, mens tax goes up, womens comes down. Sounds like a clear cut case of discrimination to me.
And you have absolutely no basis for your statement about the conservative policies. You stating them does not make it fact. Quote some policies, not your opinions, that the conservatives have that will make the so-called gender gap worse.
And what is it with you and Beaver? Wife out of town?
Derry McKinney said:
Gee, mens tax goes up, womens comes down. Sounds like a clear cut case of discrimination to me.
And you have absolutely no basis for your statement about the conservative policies. You stating them does not make it fact. Quote some policies, not your opinions, that the conservatives have that will make the so-called gender gap worse.
And what is it with you and Beaver? Wife out of town?
It isn't that complicated, BA. Nobody is suggesting that a special tax be implemented on men. It is based on income. Since men make more than women as a group, they will pay more taxes. Women in the upper tax brackets will also pay more, while men in lower tax brackets will pay less.
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But the article said that mens taxes would INCREASE, while womens tax would DECREASE. Says nothing about tax brackets.
So you want to see mens taxes go up, families with income over $150,000 go up substantially. Lower income families with incomes under $30k, as per the article, already pay little to no income tax and have many support programs in place to offset daycare costs, housing costs, etc. and the CTC and GST credits, so not much will change there. Yup, I can see why I would want to vote for the NDP, increase my present tax rate and take away incentive to make more, all the while doing nothing to help the lower income families.
Derry McKinney said:
But the article said that mens taxes would INCREASE, while womens tax would DECREASE. Says nothing about tax brackets.
So you want to see mens taxes go up, families with income over $150,000 go up substantially. Lower income families with incomes under $30k, as per the article, already pay little to no income tax and have many support programs in place to offset daycare costs, housing costs, etc. and the CTC and GST credits, so not much will change there. Yup, I can see why I would want to vote for the NDP, increase my present tax rate and take away incentive to make more, all the while doing nothing to help the lower income families.
You've said that you'd take the support programs away. You see any expanded daycare money as being a waste of money.
People making less than $39k (and quit trying to change the numbers) do pay taxes. They pay a significant amount, in fact.
You lost the man/woman long ago, BA. You know that though.
People making less than $39k (and quit trying to change the numbers) do pay taxes. They pay a significant amount, in fact.
You lost the man/woman long ago, BA. You know that though.
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Your party wants to discriminate. Thats wrong. Your party wants to punish men.
Derry McKinney said:
Your party wants to discriminate. Thats wrong. Your party wants to punish men.
It is your party that discriminates, BA. You would discourage women from working by keeping their wages low and their taxes high.
Social programs do give people a chance, Jay. A couple people on here gave personal examples of that.
Social programs do give people a chance, Jay. A couple people on here gave personal examples of that.
"Social programs do give people a chance, Jay. A couple people on here gave personal examples of that."
It's true some social programs give people a chance. I used a social program when I was a youth too but, as I maintain, this isn't where the lion’s share of the tax is going.
I would be happy to pay say 25% of my income in taxes, and there would be lots of social programs to help those who need it, but otherwise I see it as theft, vote buying, and controlling.
It's true some social programs give people a chance. I used a social program when I was a youth too but, as I maintain, this isn't where the lion’s share of the tax is going.
I would be happy to pay say 25% of my income in taxes, and there would be lots of social programs to help those who need it, but otherwise I see it as theft, vote buying, and controlling.
Actually, the lion's share of the tax goes to programs that help corporations, not to social programs. Why don't get the government to quit throwing money at them?
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There are other countries who are taxed even more than us.
We spend more on programs cause we have a more diverse popuation who have different needs as well we inhabit and maintian a nation far too big for us. If we had 300 million people (like the state) I think, that although our overall costs would go up, the cost per person would be much less.
Jay said:
There are other countries who are taxed even more than us.
We spend more on programs cause we have a more diverse popuation who have different needs as well we inhabit and maintian a nation far too big for us. If we had 300 million people (like the state) I think, that although our overall costs would go up, the cost per person would be much less.
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Yes they do, and I have also benefitted from them, as I have stated. However, the post is about taxes, not social programs, and the main concern Canadians have is the waste of their tax money, as has been exposed in the Gomery Inquiry, and as has been exposed by Sheila Fraser, and things such as foundation accounts with billions of dollars stashed away, with huge program overruns like the gun registry, and a $46billion surplus in EI, which comes directly from workers and employers. That is were Canadians have concerns, and to try and deflect this into a debate about social programs is spin at its best. I support social programs, but fiscally responsible social programs, just as I support fiscally responsible legislation. To do otherwise is to give a blank cheque to the Liberals. Oh wait, too late, already done that, haven't we. :twisted:
Derry McKinney said:
Yes they do, and I have also benefitted from them, as I have stated. However, the post is about taxes, not social programs, and the main concern Canadians have is the waste of their tax money, as has been exposed in the Gomery Inquiry, and as has been exposed by Sheila Fraser, and things such as foundation accounts with billions of dollars stashed away, with huge program overruns like the gun registry, and a $46billion surplus in EI, which comes directly from workers and employers. That is were Canadians have concerns, and to try and deflect this into a debate about social programs is spin at its best. I support social programs, but fiscally responsible social programs, just as I support fiscally responsible legislation. To do otherwise is to give a blank cheque to the Liberals. Oh wait, too late, already done that, haven't we. :twisted:
Your misconstruations have reached the point of total dishonesty, Blueboy.
Taxes based on income are not gender based.
As for your examples of Harperite policies, your daycare, anti-abortion, education, social assistance, alimony, and even pension proposals are unfair to women. They would take us back to the 1950's at best.