The Tarriff Hype.

petros

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Guess it’ll have to be some third option & it sure as hell wouldn’t be my choice.
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Well…we’ll see. Just because Trump can’t do something doesn’t mean he’s not gonna do it anyway. We’ve seen several example examples of this from these tariffs to the Epstein files to…so many other things.
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If Netanyahu goes nuclear like he desperately wants it not on Trump is it?
 

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True, but I think it is getting worse. Back in the 60s& 70s it was mostly drunks, with the odd junkie and politician.
Will check sometime this summer . I think the Terminal started serving at 9 am back in the day . A glass and six in a bag to go . Those were the days .
 
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Ron in Regina

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Multiple studies have shown that businesses and consumers in the U.S. have overwhelmingly footed the bill for Trump’s tariffs.
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The tariff hikes that continue to be in place will mostly affect metals, vehicles and electronics. But that tax burden could be lightened on apparel and food products now that IEEPA tariffs are no longer in place.

With the IEEPA tariffs struck down, consumers will face an overall average effective tariff rate of 9.1%, the Yale Budget Lab calculated, compared to a 16.9% rate had the court sided with the Trump administration.

The Supreme Court dealt a huge blow to President Donald Trump on Friday, ruling that the sweeping global tariffs he imposed under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act are unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court ruled on the constitutionality of Trump’s IEEPA tariffs, but it left the question of refunds open. It’s unclear if companies will be granted tariff refunds as of now, but how those payments are issued would be up to U.S. Customs and Border Protection. It would likely be a messy and drawn-out legal process.
“The logistics of refunds are expected to be a nightmare and require an enormous amount of documentation,” Diane Swonk, KPMG’s Chief Economist, said in a note to clients. “Small firms are not likely to fare as well as large firms due to the paperwork, time and potential for additional legal challenges by the Trump administration on refunds,” Swonk added.

Scott Lincicome, the vice president of general economics at CATO, told MS NOW last month that the refunds process “will be very hard and highly inequitable” as large corporations will likely have more resources to battle the federal government on refunds.

“That is fine for a company like Costco, they can wait, but for the little guy it’s a death sentence,” Lincicome said.

“If you pay $20,000 in tariffs and you are owed that and you did nothing wrong, you are going to have to spend $30,000 on lawyers and run your business,” he added. “Either you go on with your business and not fight to get back what you are owed or you go out of business.”
 

Ron in Regina

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The European Commission demanded on Sunday that the United States stick to the terms of an EU-U.S. trade deal reached last year, after the U.S. Supreme Court struck down Donald Trump's global tariffs and he responded with new levies across the board.

The Commission, which negotiates trade policy on behalf of the 27 EU member states, said Washington must provide "full clarity" on the steps it intends to take following the court ruling.

After the court struck down Trump's global tariffs on Friday, the U.S. president announced temporary, across-the-board tariffs of 10%, which he then hiked to 15% a day later.

"The current situation is not conducive to delivering 'fair, balanced, and mutually beneficial' transatlantic trade and investment, as agreed to by both sides" in the joint statement setting out the terms of last year's trade agreement, the Commission said. "A deal is a deal."
 

Ron in Regina

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"Any Country that wants to 'play games' with the ridiculous supreme court decision, especially those that have 'Ripped Off' the U.S.A. for years, and even decades, will be met with a much higher Tariff, and worse, than that which they just recently agreed to. BUYER BEWARE!!!" Trump wrote in a Truth Social post???
 

Ron in Regina

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"Any Country that wants to 'play games' with the ridiculous supreme court decision, especially those that have 'Ripped Off' the U.S.A. for years, and even decades, will be met with a much higher Tariff, and worse, than that which they just recently agreed to. BUYER BEWARE!!!" Trump wrote in a Truth Social post???
President Donald Trump’s new tariffs are not legally justified, according to several prominent economists and trade experts, who say there is no sign of the profound international financial problems that such measures were intended to remedy, but so what?

Hours after the Supreme Court invalidated the emergency tariffs that he imposed last year, Trump on Friday invoked a 1974 law to announce a new 10 percent global import tax, later raising it to 15 percent. The president cited a provision known as Section 122 that authorizes temporary restrictions on imports to deal with “fundamental international payments problems.”

In an official proclamation, the president said the nation’s “balance of payments,” a comprehensive account of Americans’ financial transactions with foreigners, was suffering “a large and serious deficit.” And he listed a number of metrics reflecting a deteriorating U.S. financial posture.

The law does not define “balance-of-payments deficit,” and economists disagree about what should be included in the term. But several critics, including the International Monetary Fund’s former chief economist and a prominent conservative legal commentator, disputed the president’s claim. Trump wrongly conflated an alleged payments deficit with the merchandise trade deficit that he targeted last year with his first set of comprehensive tariffs under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), they said.

Judges might be reluctant to “second guess” the president’s judgment on whether a balance-of-payments problem exists, said John Veroneau, a lawyer who served as deputy U.S. trade representative under President George W. Bush.

Still, the Trump administration’s newfound reliance upon Section 122 reverses the legal arguments it made last year. Defending the president’s emergency tariffs, Justice Department attorneys told an appeals court that Section 122 did not apply to Trump’s trade deficit concerns, which were “conceptually distinct from balance-of-payments deficits.”
 

Ron in Regina

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Over the past two weeks both the U.S. Congress and Supreme Court have pushed back hard against tariffs on Canada. The Supreme Court ruled the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, or IEEPA, tariffs illegal without offering any fig leaves to the U.S. administration. A week earlier the House of Representatives voted to end the international economic emergency that formed the basis for the fentanyl tariffs against Canada. The U.S. judicial and legislative branches have begun to reassert their authority to rein in the executive.

Indeed, U.S. President Donald Trump, stung by the Supreme Court’s rejection of his tariffs, doubled down in his State of the Union address Tuesday night. But consider where we are today.

The mood swing is not limited to U.S. institutions. Americans have soured on the tariffs, too. Recent research by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York shows that around 90 per cent of tariff costs are borne by U.S. companies and consumers. A new poll by the New York City-headquartered think tank Council on Foreign Relations found more than 65 per cent of about 2,200 respondents across party lines said tariffs had made everyday items less affordable. Ahead of the midterms, the political capital for Trump’s tariff agenda is dwindling. Some commentators argue that we are past the “peak.”

Mr. Trump’s defence of tariffs Tuesday night, plus the replacement duties announced by the administration after the Supreme Court decision, also reveal a weakened hand. The tariffs imposed based on Section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974 are low (capped by law to 15 per cent), time-limited (they can only be in place for 150 days) and less easily subject to arbitrary changes. The era of late-night, tariff-threats-by-X is largely over.

Moreover, the new Section 122 tariffs continue to unilaterally allow tariff-free access for goods compliant with the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, or USMCA. This is a continued admission by the U.S. that the administration, despite all the bluster, wants a special and preferential trading relationship with Canada and Mexico, the U.S.’s largest trading partners.

Finally, the new tariffs contain 76 pages of exempted products, which the U.S. cannot produce or grow in sufficient quantities. Importantly, trading partners over the past year had to bargain hard to win such exemptions. Now, with the cost-of-living crisis in full swing, the U.S. offers those concessions up for free. That benefits Canadian exporters such as coffee roasters that have been unable to claim USMCA-compliant status.

In short, we have reached a turning point that will not only strengthen Canada’s position in the upcoming USMCA review. It will also shift the tone of the talks from threating huffs and puffs to more traditional bargaining over specific issues.

First, the U.S. maintains a list of trade irritants with Canada. The U.S. trade representative has said he is preparing new Section 301 tariff investigations against major trading partners. These country-specific tariffs seek to tackle specific unfair trade practices, as deemed by the U.S. If they decide or threaten to launch such an investigation against Canada, these trade irritants will take centre stage. That is a good thing because it will focus the negotiation. While Section 301 tariffs give some discretion to the administration in setting levels, we are unlikely to experience last year’s mission creep where drugs, bridges and adverts became intermingled with tariff threats.
So, does that mean that sanity is finally prevailing again? Well, President Trump’s senior trade and manufacturing counselor, Peter Navarro, has a “Plan B” to slap more tariffs on trading partners in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision to do away with the illegally used “emergency tariffs.”

In an interview with “Pod Force One,” Navarro said that the high court didn’t mention any use of tariffs under different executive authorities, including Sections 301 and 122 of the Trade Act of 1974, 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962, and 338 of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930.

“All the different powers that the President has have been delegated by Congress and can use — and we will be using,” he told The Post’s Miranda Devine on the latest episode, out Wednesday. Oh well.
 

Ron in Regina

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More than 1,000 American companies have petitioned for refunds in the event the tariffs were struck down like what happened yesterday, but the Supreme Court didn’t lay out a process for those refunds to be processed, leaving the issue up to lower courts.
Reuters reported last week that Penn Wharton Budget Model economists estimated more than $175 billion in U.S. tariff collections are subject to potential refunds.
Business leaders on Friday called on the administration to quickly set up a process to process refunds, but Trump indicated that there “may be🤔 more litigation before any money is paid out. “We’ll end up being in court for the next five years,” Trump said during his press conference.
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has said the issue of tariff refunds would be addressed by the lower courts.
(YouTube & Where’s your Trump tariff refund? | About That)
(YouTube & Donald Trump on potential tariff refunds worth $175 billion)
 

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Reuters reported last week that Penn Wharton Budget Model economists estimated more than $175 billion in U.S. tariff collections are subject to potential refunds.

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has said the issue of tariff refunds would be addressed by the lower courts.
(YouTube & Where’s your Trump tariff refund? | About That)
(YouTube & Donald Trump on potential tariff refunds worth $175 billion)
the countries/companies that are owed money are going to have a long wait. ;)