The Tarriff Hype.

Ron in Regina

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Basically, it was a time bomb, introduced by the liberals when they thought there was no possible way they could win this last election… going back retroactive for the last few years and being introduced on July 4th…seriously, July 4th, so that…Poilievre (little did they know) would have to cancel it, and the Libs could scream foul. That’s the short version & it’s in this ball of wax:
Despite the plan being announced more than three years ago, the digital services tax was only recently implemented on July 4th ‘cuz knowing how to read the room, etc... In August, U.S. Trade Representative Katherine Tai announced that her government had requested dispute settlement consultations through the North American free trade agreement — called CUSMA — over the issue.
OK, thanks. One more question. . .

is there anything wrong with this tax? Conceptually, I mean. Not whatever weeping and wailing Khanservatives want to do about taxes.

I'm perfectly willing to discuss how the Libs are evil, conniving bastards who have only been restrained from destroying Canada by their own incompetence.
On Sunday the Department of Finance issued a terse circular announcing that the Digital Services Tax announced in 2021 would not, as originally planned, begin to be collected on Monday.

The DST (R.I.P.) was designed to exclusively target Canadian revenues of American “web giants” that provide online services, advertising, or streaming content. As the Finance memo observes, it is being dropped at the last minute in the hope of restarting negotiations with the U.S. on an updated version of continental free trade.

The idea of a DST was framed by the Trudeau government as a moral necessity of the 21st century: something had to be done about foreign vampires like Netflix and Google which had built businesses with millions of Canadian customers out of digital ether, but paid no tax in Canada.

(Everybody recognized, however, that much of the cost of the tax was bound to come out of the pockets of the customers rather than the vampires)

It’s inherently difficult to know how the tax incidence would have worked out, because the process of digital price discovery isn’t especially mature: some of these companies are still figuring out their own optimum, revenue-maximizing price points in plain sight. But from a selfish point of view, Canadian consumers, considered strictly as such, can only feel relief at the sudden abandonment of the DST.
Is this a craven surrender on the part of the post-Trudeau Liberals? Well, this is the problem with interpreting everything in brute terms of animalistic personal combat, isn’t it? The governments of the developed nations largely agree (perhaps against the interests of their own citizens) that there ought to be an international framework for digital-services taxation, and the OECD reached an agreement that nobody would run wild and introduce their own digital taxes until the issue could be sorted out collectively.

From that neoliberal-nerd point of view, Canada went rogue when it announced a homebrewed DST — one that would have had a nasty retroactive effect, that was designed specifically only to collect from large American companies with recognizable names, and that didn’t address double-taxation issues. And let’s recall that Joe Biden was still president when this happened…but it was timed to be implemented retroactively for after the American election.
 
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Ron in Regina

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US President Donald Trump said his administration will probably start notifying trading partners Friday of the new US tariff on their exports effective Aug. 1, while reiterating a preference for simplicity over complicated negotiations five days before his deadline for deals.

Trump told reporters that about “10 or 12” letters would go out Friday, with additional letters coming “over the next few days.”

“By the ninth they’ll be fully covered,” Trump added, referring to a July 9 deadline he initially set for countries to reach deals with the US to avoid higher import duties he has threatened. “They’ll range in value from maybe 60 or 70% tariffs to 10 and 20% tariffs,” (?) he added.
Trump said that countries would “start to pay on Aug. 1. The money will start going to come into the United States on August 1.” Tariffs are typically paid by the importer, or an intermediary acting on the importer’s behalf. But often it’s profit margins or the end consumer that ultimately absorb much of the cost.
 
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It's like the law from the early 60s that made US companies set up Canadian subsidiaries with head offices in Canada Canadian factories and shares of the Canadian subsidiaries bought and sold on the TSX.

Auto makers stand out as an example of.

It's just another protectionist load of BS.
The DST is more like a cash grab than anything. To be expected from a government addicted to spending .
 

Ron in Regina

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Canada and the United States resumed talks on a new trade deal this week, with Prime Minister Mark Carney saying he wants a new Canada-U.S. trade deal in place by July 21 or Canada will increase trade countermeasures. Happy July 4th!!!
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“I’m not going to commit to a date. I wouldn’t characterize it as tumultuous,” Ambassador Pete Hoekstra told CTV News Ottawa’s Patricia Boal in an interview at the U.S. ambassador’s residence in Ottawa on Friday.

“We’re working through some things. We’ve got some things that we believe will make trade freer, fairer, and better for both countries?” It’ll be the fairest thing anyone have ever seen, ever!!

When asked if Canada will have to accept some level of tariffs on goods coming from Canada to the United States, Hoekstra said, “President (Donald Trump) has made it clear, I think, every country is going to pay some level of tariff.”

“But the overall agreement, I think at the end of the day, is going to be good for Canada, and I think it’s going to be good for America.” Etc….
 

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Canada and the United States resumed talks on a new trade deal this week, with Prime Minister Mark Carney saying he wants a new Canada-U.S. trade deal in place by July 21 or Canada will increase trade countermeasures. Happy July 4th!!!
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“I’m not going to commit to a date. I wouldn’t characterize it as tumultuous,” Ambassador Pete Hoekstra told CTV News Ottawa’s Patricia Boal in an interview at the U.S. ambassador’s residence in Ottawa on Friday.

“We’re working through some things. We’ve got some things that we believe will make trade freer, fairer, and better for both countries?” It’ll be the fairest thing anyone have ever seen, ever!!

When asked if Canada will have to accept some level of tariffs on goods coming from Canada to the United States, Hoekstra said, “President (Donald Trump) has made it clear, I think, every country is going to pay some level of tariff.”

“But the overall agreement, I think at the end of the day, is going to be good for Canada, and I think it’s going to be good for America.” Etc….
Oh to be a fly on the wall in that room...
 

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When asked if Canada will have to accept some level of tariffs on goods coming from Canada to the United States, Hoekstra said, “President (Donald Trump) has made it clear, I think, every country is going to pay some level of tariff.”
Psst.The US consumers pay the tariffs, not the exporter. Sort of a voluntary tax.
 

petros

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Psst.The US consumers pay the tariffs, not the exporter. Sort of a voluntary tax.
It cuts the USD to CAD discount enhancing the € and £ to CAD discount redirecting the trade. More trade to UK/EU means more production, more production makes a product cheaper. Cheaper products curb inflation. Curbing inflation gives consumers relief without jacking the cost of labour and interest rates.

We need to raise capital and raise it now without upping interest rates.

It's going to take a couple Trillion USD to open the Northwest Passage and the Pacific to Hudson's Bay rail, highway and pipeline corridor across the Boreal.

A couple Trillions is dirt cheap to crack open the Boreal and tundra treasure chest. Mining is going to explode. The minerals are there but the access isn't.
 
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