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You do realize that Saddam was a US proxy leader right? With all the Syrian tanks that are destroyed as proven by your many pictures I wonder if the Saudis are wondering if that will happen to the 1,000's of tanks once the Arab summer comes hammering on their doors?
 

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You do realize that Saddam was a US proxy leader right?

Nope... YOU FAIL

With all the Syrian tanks that are destroyed as proven by your many pictures I wonder if the Saudis are wondering if that will happen to the 1,000's of tanks once the Arab summer comes hammering on their doors?

If if if if.

What we know is this...



Get a look at that cook-off!
 

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barry is not a muslim *cough* but he plays one on TV.

funny how the lunatics beheading & crucifying people are now "moderate" muslims. wurd.



As Syrian Jihadists fight in Iraq, Obama seeks $500 million from Congress to help “moderate Syrian rebels”

“This funding request would build on the administration’s longstanding efforts to empower the moderate Syrian opposition, both civilian and armed, and will enable the Department of Defense to increase our support to vetted elements of the armed opposition,” the White House said.

more here

As Syrian Jihadists fight in Iraq, Obama seeks $500 million from Congress to help "moderate Syrian rebels" | Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs
 

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Pentagon Prepares To Unveil Syria War Plans As "Broad Coalition" Crumbles
A day after US ambassador to The UN Samantha Powers stated, "we will not do the airstrikes alone if the president decides to do the airstrikes," and Russia warned, "bombing Syria without the cooperation of Damascus can have destructive practical consequences on the humanitarian situation in Syria," it appears President Obama's grand strategy to combat IS via a 'broad coalition' of allies is flailing. While the WSJ reports, The Pentagon is preparing war plans in Syria that would include an intensive initial wave of strikes against Islamic State targets, Germany's Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier explained today that providing air support or sending ground troops to fight Islamic State is "out of the question for us." For now, it appears, the only nation involved in the 'broad coalition' is France. Why? Because as we said yesterday, this is merely over fears of more BNPs. "A key component of this would be allied participation," said a U.S. official; does '1' ally count?

Suspicions Run Deep in Iraq That CIA and the Islamic State Are United
Baghdad: The United States has conducted an escalating campaign of deadly airstrikes against the extremists of the Islamic State for more than a month. But that appears to have done little to tamp down the conspiracy theories still circulating from the streets of Baghdad to the highest levels of Iraqi government that the CIA is secretly behind the same extremists that it is now attacking.

"We know about who made Daesh," said Bahaa al-Araji, a deputy prime minister, using an Arabic shorthand for the Islamic State, on Saturday at a demonstration called by the Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr to warn against the possible deployment of U.S. ground troops.

Sadr publicly blamed the CIA for creating the Islamic State in a speech last week, and interviews suggested that most of the few thousand people at the demonstration, including dozens of members of parliament, subscribed to the same theory. (Sadr is considered close to Iran, and the theory is popular there as well.)

When an American journalist asked Araji to clarify if he blamed the CIA for the Islamic State, he retreated: "I don't know. I am one of the poor people," he said, speaking fluent English and quickly stepping back toward the open door of a chauffeur-driven SUV. "But we fear very much. Thank you!"

West hypocritical, can’t make up mind on who it supports in Syria - YouTube
 

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BREAKING: Israeli Defence Forces says it has shot down a Syrian aircraft over Israeli-controlled airspace | InvestmentWatch


At least 30 #airstrikes hit #ISIS targets in the province of Deir al-Zor, #Syria -LIVE UPDATES | InvestmentWatch

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The target was, is and akways will be Iran, but before the west can even begin to target Oran, Assad must be toppled
Just this time last year the west tried and failed, via a fakse flag chemical attack, to form a coalition to bomb Assad on behalf of the rebels, the same rebels we now know as ISIS.
It isgoing to be interesting to see how this infolds, esoecially in the wider sunni community that may view this as USA bombing on behalf of the Shia’s
Only time will tell who the real target is here, but i suspect just as many Syrian Army targets will be taken out as ISIS targets

Read more at US & Arab Coalition Launch Airstrikes In Syria – Who Is The Real Target? ISIS or Assad? | InvestmentWatch

Somebody would have had to be on the ground and very close to take this vid and to have it published within a few hours means it was pre-planned. It could be anyplace and the Arab language spoken by anybody, even Muslim Brits that like to hang around ISIS. Since Syria gave permission for this action I wonder how many 'friemdly fire' incidents will happen of how many victims (if there are any real ones) could be the 'moderate Rebels' that ISIS hass no use for and this is their elimination.
 

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The craft was in Israeli air space according to the article, you sure that wasn't an ISIS craft taken from Iraq?

Permission from Syria relates to 'at will' in what way? (does Syria even fly something that ancient?


It usually takes a full week before all the details to come out so this will be updated most likely.
 

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Congress Should Vote and Say No to Obama’s New War by Ivan Eland -- Antiwar.com



Congress Should Vote and Say No to Obama’s New War



by Ivan Eland



President Obama’s war on the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is modeled on the U.S. war against Serbia in 1999 to essentially detach its province of Kosovo – in which the United States acted as the air force for the Kosovo Liberation Army group. This model was also used more recently in Libya to provide air power for Libyan rebel groups that overthrew Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. Yet despite these tactical "successes," this model of pairing U.S. air power with local ground forces is likely to fail against ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

The difference is that in Kosovo and Libya, the United States was supporting guerrilla groups against governments of countries; in Iraq and Syria, the United States is fighting against an opponent that is mainly a guerrilla force. Governments tend to provide better targets for U.S. air power – visible troops and armor, fixed installations, and leadership and command nodes – than guerrillas, who can blend back into the civilian population. ISIS does have some of these targets but ultimately can rely mainly on its ability to disappear into relatively friendly Sunni Arab populations in both countries. In counterinsurgency warfare against guerrillas, President George W. Bush found out that his strategy of "offense is the best defense," which may work at times against nation-states, is abysmally ineffective against guerrillas.

As I note in my book, The Failure of Counterinsurgency: Why Hearts and Minds Are Seldom Won, history shows that fighting effectively against un-uniformed, irregular guerrillas is extremely difficult; to entertain any chance of winning, paying attention to political factors is far more important than heeding military ones. That is, the most important objective should be to win away the loyalty of the local population – which provides supplies, fighters, and sanctuary to the guerrillas in their midst – from the insurgents. Historically, many great powers have tried winning the "hearts and minds" of indigenous populations by, for example, providing development aid, bribes to leaders and factions, and even candy to children. In the end, however, a foreign occupier or meddler rarely receives the benefit of the doubt among the locals. In the end, only removing the underlying grievance causing the insurgency will dampen or extinguish it. Sunni Arabs in Iraq and Syria support the brutal ISIS group, because they have been oppressed by Shi’ite-affiliated governments in both countries. Also in general, Islamic peoples are tired of the many U.S. government (and other non-Islamic) political and military interventions in Islamic nations.

So until these grievances are removed or significantly mitigated, ISIS will survive and may even continue to thrive. At any rate, another U.S. (non-Islamic) preventive war in the Middle East is the last thing that is needed and will likely cause radical Islam to become more virulent. For example, when then-President George W. Bush invaded Iraq, his own intelligence agencies and outside analysts all noted the spike in terrorism in response. In the case of ISIS, the group began its heinous beheading of Americans and Brits (America’s closest ally) in retaliation for the commencement of U.S. bombing of the group.

Of course, Osama bin Laden rejoiced at George W. Bush’s invasion of Iraq and actually said that Bush was very easy to bait to do things that helped al Qaeda get more money and recruit more fighters. Similarly, ISIS seems ecstatic in goading the superpower to ramp up a public crusade against it. Despite U.S. vows of escalation to degrade and destroy the group, ISIS has continued its grisly beheading of hostages. It is ironic that these beheadings seem to have fueled support for Obama’s new war in the United States, given that the “moderate” Free Syrian Army (FSA) group, for which the United States is augmenting support, has also beheaded people. There is ample evidence that some in the FSA, and in the U.S.-allied Kurdish peshmerga militias in Iraq, are as ruthless at ISIS. Besides, FSA fighters in Syria are often mixed in with al Qaeda fighters on the battlefield, which was why Obama originally was reluctant to give them too much assistance. A few beheadings by ISIS don’t change this basic problem. And they don’t change the fact that the United States spent eight years training the Iraqi army, only to see U.S. weapons fall to ISIS when that army turned and ran.

Not having reliable allies on the ground in either Iraq or Syria to fight ISIS severely limits the applicability of the Kosovo and Libya models to the current situation. A friendly ground force needs to locate targets for U.S. air power, "fix" enemy forces on the ground for air strikes to have the maximum effect, and occupy ground abandoned by the enemy. The effectiveness of U.S. air power is lessened substantially without such dependable allies below, and the chance of a successful American war against ISIS is therefore greatly diminished.

That’s the bad news. But the good news is that ISIS is only a regional threat, not a threat to U.S. territory. ISIS does not have the networks of operatives in the West or the bomb-making capability that al Qaeda does. U.S. intelligence is not even sure that ISIS wants to attack the United States; its main goal has been to establish an Islamic state in Iraq and Syria. The twelve Americans that are fighting for ISIS can best be handled by the FBI or the Department of Homeland Security, instead of the U.S. government merely creating more terrorists hostile to the United States by a very public bombing campaign against ISIS. Public wars on terrorism help politicians – such as George W. Bush and Barack Obama – show that they are doing something about a problem, but more effective actions against terrorists are best done quietly. More important, U.S. authorities should demand that reluctant regional allies, who should be more threatened by ISIS’s ascendancy than is the United States, accept the responsibility for the long-term degradation of ISIS – either through the use of their own forces on the ground or by the training of friendly local forces in Iraq and Syria.

Lastly, the most unobtrusive but pernicious effect of Obama’s war may be on the U.S. Constitution. Ironically, he has asked Congress for $500 million to give weapons to the Free Syrian Army but not to approve the more drastic action of attacking ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Obama claims that Congress’s authorization of the use of military force after the 9/11 attacks and its later authorization to invade Iraq already allow him to attack Iraq and Syria. Congress approved attacking Iraq way back in 2003, and the framers of the Constitution didn’t intend to allow the chief executive to attack a country in perpetuity. Also, the authorization to use military force against the 9/11 attackers was specifically restricted to those perpetrators, not al Qaeda regional affiliates or splinter groups – that is, ISIS. So Obama’s new war in Iraq and Syria has not been congressionally sanctioned and is therefore illegal and unconstitutional. Instead of ducking a vote during an election year, members of Congress should demand a vote and then say "no" to what likely will be another unneeded, failed, and counterproductive war in the Islamic world.




More war? Just say NO!
 

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The craft id could have been wrong, my point was it's an antique so why would Syria even be flying them. They just sold off their Mig-25 fleet to ISIS, I mean Iraq. The new part is the Israeli statement about security. Without permission US strikes would be viewed the same as Israel sees it.
The Jewish Press » » Israel Shoots Down Syrian Sukhoi-24 Fighter Jet In Israeli Airspace
“The fighter jet crossed into Israeli territory in a very threatening manner,” said Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon. He added, “We can’t allow any source to violate our sovereignty and we’ll respond aggressively to any such attempt, whether it’s a mistake or a purposeful act.”
The IDF followed standard operating procedure when it shot down the invading plane, which had reached 800 meters in Israeli territory before the decision was made to shoot it down. From that moment to impact, one minute and 20 seconds passed before the surface-to-air Patriot missile struck and destroyed the plane.


The IDF downed a Syrian fighter jet, a Russian-made Sukhoi-24, near Quneitra, along the Syrian-Israel border. The plane, which flew into Israeli air space near Tzfat, was initially misidentified as a MiG-21.


That is a 40km space between the two and if the Syrian pilots landed in Syria they didn't get hit in Israel. It is more likely that the craft went 0.8km into the Golan Heights and it was fired on by an Israeli Iron Dome system rather than a Patriot system. That would seem to be the more likely case and Israel is calling the Golan Heoights as their territory when it is classifeied as an 'occupied terriroty'.

The money Israel collects off that land is a war crime BTW but who cares when it's Israel doing the crime.
 

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At will baaaaby!
Syria confirms Israel shot down Syrian warplane

Over thye Golan Heights would mean it was not an act of self devense by Israel but it was in support of ISIS holding some border crossing.
Lett you woodie go down, they didn't just win WW IV

The sanity sure didn't last long, lol

http://news.yahoo.com/syria-confirms-israel-shot-down-syrian-warplane-075129880.html
(CNN) -- The United States has promised to supply weapons, communications equipment and training to rebels in Syria so they can help battle the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS.) Now comes the hard part: identifying "acceptable" groups able and willing to take the fight to ISIS. The security landscape in Syria changes daily. Alliances and priorities among the many rebel groups shift, fortunes ebb and flow. And the hard truth is that none of them appears able to uproot ISIS from its strongholds in north-eastern Syria.
Joshua Landis, a veteran Syria-watcher and Associate Professor at the University of Oklahoma, says the situation inside Syria is more fluid and unpredictable than ever, with rebel groups confused about U.S. intentions and knocked sideways by ISIS' ruthless advance.
Landis says President Barack Obama is the reluctant warrior -- forced by domestic politics and the outrage over the beheading of two Americans by ISIS to pledge not just to degrade but to destroy ISIS. That means going after its Syrian heartland -- and without American "boots on the ground" mobilizing Syrian rebel groups to help.
But as the President admitted last month to the New York Times when talking about moderate Syrian groups: "There's not as much capacity as you would hope."

By the way, I just spoke to Will, and he said "Quit shooting at me, dammit!"
How did the visit from swat go after saying you could contact him?
 

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Flying and bombing at will over those "impenetrable" Syrian skies!
What part of asking for permission and getting permission did you miss other than all of it? Isn't part of your task to show that Americans can read un understand short sentences.
Want to bet most of this is US hype?
Syria informed in advance of U.S.-led airstrikes against Islamic State - The Washington Post
Although the United States said it gave no specifics on the attacks and did not request clearance from Damascus, it marked a rare display of interaction between Washington and envoys for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
“We warned Syria not to engage U.S. aircraft,” said State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki in Washington. “We did not request the regime’s permission. We did not coordinate our actions with the Syrian government.”
The Pentagon said separately Tuesday that there was no “military-to-military” communication with Syrian government forces but that they appeared to get the message not to interfere with the airstrikes. Army Lt. Gen. William C. Mayville Jr., the Pentagon’s director for operations, described Syrian military radar as “passive” during the strikes, with no attempt to counter them.


The 'at will' would be entering and being fired on and getting away. Just thought you should know firing a missile from 40km away doesn't fit that defination.
 

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At will... at our pleasure. Unopposed. Told to sit their Syrian azzes down because we feel like dropping bombs.
 

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What took you so long and is 'shock and awe' now down to this size of a campaign? Oh I forgot the unarming of Syria over the last few years hasn't gone so well. If they could act with impunity why give any warning or would getting some F-22's dusted be bad for potential sales?
Why did that drone fall out of the air, rubber band break?