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Award-winning Canadian novelist Joseph Boyden is defending his right to identify as an indigenous person, after an aboriginal publication raised questions about his background and name-callers on Twitter labelled him a “pretendian.”

“I once said that, ‘A small part of me is Indigenous, but it is a huge part of who I am,’” the Giller Prize-winning author wrote in a statement published on Twitter. “This remains true to me to this day.… I do belong.”

The statement came in response to a 2,700-word article probing his background, published two days earlier on the website of the Aboriginal Peoples Television Network. The article says Mr. Boyden’s indigenous heritage “has been an ever shifting, evolving thing. Over the years, Boyden has variously claimed his family’s roots extended to the Métis, Mi’kmaq, Ojibway and Nipmuc peoples.” The article does not reach firm conclusions, but says it is difficult to pinpoint where his aboriginal heritage began on either his mother’s or father’s sides of the family.

That article appears to be part of a broader debate over who may identify as indigenous. “There’s a robust social phenomenon in our society at the moment whereby white Canadians with 200-and-300+-year-old Indigenous ancestry are claiming to be Indigenous,” Darryl Leroux, a sociology professor at Saint Mary’s University in Halifax, said in an e-mail to The Globe. Or as he tweeted, citing the APTN article about Mr. Boyden, “Does limited Indigenous ancestry (i.e., 17/18th century) = Indigenous identity today?”

The APTN article begins with an account of a Maclean’s report from the 1950s on an uncle of Mr. Boyden who went by the nickname “Injun Joe” and sold indigenous wares in eastern Ontario, though “he hasn’t a drop of Indian blood.” The article also cites genealogical research from ancestry.ca, and published descriptions of Mr. Boyden’s background in news articles published since 2005 by Quill and Quire, The Globe and Mail and others.

Separately, a Montreal entrepreneur, Robert Jago, published a video while guest-hosting an indigenous Twitter account last week in which he mocks Mr. Boyden’s identity as an indigenous person. In a published article Saturday on the website Canadaland, he likens Mr. Boyden to Grey Owl, a noted 20th-century Canadian author of British birth who turned out to be a “native impersonator.” Mr. Jago called Mr. Boyden “a darling of Non-Native Canada” who “drowns out other indigenous voices.”

Mr. Boyden, 50, won the Giller Prize in 2008 for Through Black Spruce, part of a trilogy that began with Three Day Road, about two Cree soldiers in the First World War. Last year he was named to the Order of Canada. Governor-General David Johnston cited his contributions as an author and his “social engagement, notably in support of First Nations.”

In his four-paragraph Twitter statement, Mr. Boyden says he is partly to blame for confusion over his indigenous identity, because he has used the term Métis, though he doesn’t trace his roots to the historic Red River settlement in Manitoba, where the term has been most commonly used. (A Supreme Court ruling on Métis rights this year said the term can refer to the community in Red River or be used as a general term for anyone with mixed European and aboriginal heritage.)

Mr. Boyden said he is from a “mixed blood background of mostly Celtic heritage, but also Nipmuc roots from Dartmouth, Massachusetts on my father’s side and Ojibwe roots from Nottawasaga Bay traced to the 1800s on my mother’s side.” He said he doesn’t believe he has ever called himself Mi’kmaq, but that in interviews some may have misheard Nipmuc as Mi’kmaq. Nipmuc refers to Algonquian people from the northeastern United States.

He drew on his uncle Erl, who was featured in Maclean’s as “Injun Joe,” to explain why he insists on being public about his indigenous identity: Erl knew his roots but denied them, he said in his Twitter statement.

“This was common practice in the 1940s and 1950s. I don’t believe anyone should ever be made to feel shame in their identity, or to feel as if they are being prosecuted for speaking up proudly for themselves and for past generations who couldn’t or wouldn’t.”


Giller Prize winner Joseph Boyden’s indigenous ancestry questioned - The Globe and Mail




Boyden has requested APTN organize a sharing circle with its Elder-in-Residence to create a “safe and sacred environment” for the author to answer questions about his heritage.


APTN responded by again inviting Boyden to participate in an interview. The author declined the opportunity.


Author Joseph Boyden’s shape-shifting Indigenous identity - APTN National NewsAPTN National News





fun fact:

This guy

is a big juicy fan of our PM

https://www.liberal.ca/author-joseph-boyden-on-why-he-supports-justin-trudeau/
 

Mokkajava

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He is also a fabulous author and a wonderfully articulate public speaker. I don't know how he has "colonized their space" regarding other native authors.... there is nothing colonizing in his writing. He hasn't written anything that would set back... or white wash the events that occured in colonizing the native culture.
I think it is sad that people are looking to destroy him like this. Do we not have enough battles to be fought in this country regarding the health and vitality of native people's and their culture with out turning against those who are on the same side?
 

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White Caucasian red haired mummies were found in Florida's Windover Bog. The mummies dated to be over 7000 years old.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW_qutaoYwY

guess it depends on what your definition of indiginous is

Spirit Cave and Lovelock Nevada Mummies - CAUCASIANS IN ANCIENT AMERICA
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDvqylL6f-A
 

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He is also a fabulous author and a wonderfully articulate public speaker. I don't know how he has "colonized their space" regarding other native authors.... there is nothing colonizing in his writing. He hasn't written anything that would set back... or white wash the events that occured in colonizing the native culture.
I think it is sad that people are looking to destroy him like this. Do we not have enough battles to be fought in this country regarding the health and vitality of native people's and their culture with out turning against those who are on the same side?



the guy is a fraud. he's been found out.

unless you're ok with that.

today they call it 'cultural appropriation'. nice and soft.

don't worry tho'...he's makin' plenty of coin from his indian books. it's all good.


APTN National News first contacted Boyden by cellphone on Dec. 15 to provide specifics on his ancestry, but after twice agreeing to be interviewed he refused and issued a statement that remained vague on his Indigenous roots while suggesting the evidence was of a “personal” nature.

APTN was provided with two separate research packages into Joseph Boyden’s family tree. APTN also tried to independently verify both research packages and asked a third-party to ensure the methodology was sound.

Author Joseph Boyden’s shape-shifting Indigenous identity - APTN National NewsAPTN National News
 

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the guy is a fraud. he's been found out.

unless you're ok with that.

today they call it 'cultural appropriation'. nice and soft.

don't worry tho'...he's makin' plenty of coin from his indian books. it's all good.


APTN National News first contacted Boyden by cellphone on Dec. 15 to provide specifics on his ancestry, but after twice agreeing to be interviewed he refused and issued a statement that remained vague on his Indigenous roots while suggesting the evidence was of a “personal” nature.

APTN was provided with two separate research packages into Joseph Boyden’s family tree. APTN also tried to independently verify both research packages and asked a third-party to ensure the methodology was sound.

Author Joseph Boyden’s shape-shifting Indigenous identity - APTN National NewsAPTN National News
Another Grey Wolf .
 

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more power to the guy but come of it chief many-tribes. just admit you were exaggerating and were wrong. you were discovered. apologize and try to move on. write your little books and maybe people will forgive you. if not, oh well, there's always politics.
 

Danbones

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maybe he is descended from them old guard celts the ndns don't want anyone taking DNA from
guess we will never know
 

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I'll identify him as a Canadian novelist. All these pretensions of ethnic division, especially those of aboriginals now, are a sign of a fragmenting society. Once some group defines themselves as a hermetically sealed tribe, respondent only to a mythical utopian origin before it was despoiled by whites and their industry, then you know you are dealing with a dead culture.

They immediately start to break apart as litmus tests for racial and cultural 'purity' are applied. Most indigenous people grow up in the presiding society of the day, they watch tv; cruise the internet; drive pickups; listen to rock, blues, classical, jazz music; play hockey; learn to read and write English so they have a chance to get a job; drink beer. The allusions of this purity is something they invent for themselves without an ounce of authenticity.

Many of them were baptized in a Christian Church, which they now deem symbol of oppression, and have gone back to some shoddy, pagan spiritual construct that borrows heavily from radical environmental earth worship and has absolutely NO legitimate roots in the pre Colombian cults. Paganism then was religion of despair in a society wracked with warfare, want, slavery, sometimes human sacrifice and short lives.

Religion has become the core issue of this 'bigotry' and exploitation. It needs a symbol and fabricated one in the Residential Schools, in most cases run caring staffs dedicated to students well being, and taking in those whose alternative was illiteracy and a hard scrabble life of nomadic trapping and hunting, usually for a period of 6 months of the year. Now they have suddenly morphed into predatory monsters and cultural marauders when it became obvious money was to be had through by taking on the mantle of 'victimization' .. and a revised 'history' of abuse was written.

So whenever i hear someone trying to sell something, make some money, get some government subsidy or land grant..because they are a 'real' indian.. i know i'm being conned. The fiction of the 'Noble Savage' is one of the great frauds in any civilization.
 
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Mokkajava

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the guy is a fraud. he's been found out.

unless you're ok with that.

today they call it 'cultural appropriation'. nice and soft.

don't worry tho'...he's makin' plenty of coin from his indian books. it's all good.


APTN National News first contacted Boyden by cellphone on Dec. 15 to provide specifics on his ancestry, but after twice agreeing to be interviewed he refused and issued a statement that remained vague on his Indigenous roots while suggesting the evidence was of a “personal” nature.

APTN was provided with two separate research packages into Joseph Boyden’s family tree. APTN also tried to independently verify both research packages and asked a third-party to ensure the methodology was sound.

Author Joseph Boyden’s shape-shifting Indigenous identity - APTN National NewsAPTN National News

I don't see where there is proof he is or isn't a fraud... I see APTN jumping the gun a bit in calling him a fraud since his response wasn't exactly what they wanted in less than 10 days... I see the word "tried" in them verifying the independent research... I do not see that it was or wasn't verified...

I do see a Boyden witch hunt occurring... and I wonder at the motive of it? And why they have started a public attack without verified proof. Doesn't seem like sound journalism.
 

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this is not like that white woman who self declared she was black

"...Rachel Dolezal, 37, the head of the local branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People (NAACP) in Washington since January...

...I consider myself black," says white woman who posed as an African American
US civil rights activist Rachel Dolezal, who claimed she was an African American, was outed by her parents as a white woman..."
"I consider myself black," says white woman who posed as an African American - Telegraph

and let me tell you
I know some beer store indians who wouldn't last a month without that check

I also know some indians who were always off reserve, who always worked, and who self declare as white to avoid being lumped in with the beer store stereo type mentioned in the line above.
Should we hang 'em for being the type of indian white treaty violators ( most of the ROC ) say they should be?

and about the money real indians recieve?
you begrudge them that?
well guess what
they got a net loss on what is taken compared to what they get
here is a good example
please
read some reality:

"What if Natives Stop Subsidizing Canada?...
...Barriere Lake

The Algonquins of Barriere Lake have a traditional territory that spans 10,000 square kilometres. For thousands of years, they have made continuous use of the land. They have never signed a treaty giving up their rights to the land. An estimated $100 million per year in revenues are extracted every year from their territory in the form of logging, hydroelectric dams, and recreational hunting and fishing."
http://www.mediacoop.ca/blog/dru/15493
 
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