Re: RE: The right economic model ? Ireland !!!
I have no idea, ask the NDP, I think they prefer dealing in rubles.
Jay said:
I have no idea, ask the NDP, I think they prefer dealing in rubles.
The right economic model ? Ireland !!!
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I think not said:C = [[[sigma].sup.1].sub.i=0] P([H.sub.i])[S.sub.i], (3)
There you go
Well, that clears things up.
There are guys who develop all types of models then stick them in a library somewhere where they collect dust. Models have been developed for how much productivity is lost during the Super Bowl, the effects of weather on retail sales, etc., which demonstrates that economists are the loneliest people in the world.
What's the definition of an economist?
An accountant without the personality.
RE: The right economic mo
Okay, now that you guys are at least acknowledging that it should be a factor, even if you are doing it with indolent and childish sarcasm, let me give you a real answer. I don't know who wrote it, and this is a paraphrase, but it is a real answer.
Rendered down, a human yields enough fat to fry an egg and less than a dollar in powder at the chemist's.
Slaughtered like a hog, and supplemented with the usual vegetables, a well-fed man should provide sustenance for a family of four for nearly 3 months...4 months if the family is frugal and makes soup from the bones.
What is a human worth? An adult, regardless of race or station, as much as you or I. A child, as priceless as your own sons and daughters.
I'm pretty sure that Toro can't plug that into an equation.
Okay, now that you guys are at least acknowledging that it should be a factor, even if you are doing it with indolent and childish sarcasm, let me give you a real answer. I don't know who wrote it, and this is a paraphrase, but it is a real answer.
Rendered down, a human yields enough fat to fry an egg and less than a dollar in powder at the chemist's.
Slaughtered like a hog, and supplemented with the usual vegetables, a well-fed man should provide sustenance for a family of four for nearly 3 months...4 months if the family is frugal and makes soup from the bones.
What is a human worth? An adult, regardless of race or station, as much as you or I. A child, as priceless as your own sons and daughters.
I'm pretty sure that Toro can't plug that into an equation.
Yes, but that's like saying that bucket of bolts which causes poverty and death - you know, your computer - is worth the metal and the plastic, or about $20. Its what all the metal and plastic can do which provides value.
From a strictly economic standpoint, the value of a person is the value added over her lifetime. So in the US, the average GDP per person is about $30,000. If the real economy is growing at 3% per year and the average life span is 75 years, then the average person is worth $275,000 , or $30,000*(1.03)^75. Now that includes after all living expenses, because the GDP calculates the value added in the economy.
But of course, economics is only a partial measure. Economic wealth is the accumulated sum total of measureable, transferable utility over time. Such valuable intangibles as love and friendship are not measureable and thus cannot be calculated. Thus, someone can be wealthy without a lot of money.
From a strictly economic standpoint, the value of a person is the value added over her lifetime. So in the US, the average GDP per person is about $30,000. If the real economy is growing at 3% per year and the average life span is 75 years, then the average person is worth $275,000 , or $30,000*(1.03)^75. Now that includes after all living expenses, because the GDP calculates the value added in the economy.
But of course, economics is only a partial measure. Economic wealth is the accumulated sum total of measureable, transferable utility over time. Such valuable intangibles as love and friendship are not measureable and thus cannot be calculated. Thus, someone can be wealthy without a lot of money.
You missed the point, Toro. By your own accounting, a human life is worth about $275,000 USD. Paying the bill for the people you killed in Iraq alone would bankrupt you, but those 100,000 are just the tip of the iceberg.
That last bit is reality though..."A child, as priceless as your own sons and daughters." As much value as the Bush twins or Bill Gates Jr. More to the point...what would you do if your kids were forced into starvation? Do you have the right to complain when those you force that fate on respond as you would?
Reverend Blair said:
Heck no, that's why I want all the countries of the world to get rich. Can't do that through socialism. Free enterprise is no gaurantee that a country will get rich, but the lack of free enterprise is a guarantee that a country will not get rich.
RE: The right economic mo
Forcing countries into debt and propping up corrupt regimes so that multi-nationals can turn a profit isn't really free enterprise though, is it? For all the talk of capitalism and free markets that come from the right, their actions tell a whole other story, Toro.
How many Mexican farmers have been forced off their land because the markets were flooded with heavily subsidzed GM corn? Is that a free market? How many Nigerians did the police kill at the behest of Halliburton? Is that development? Is killing protestors democracy?
Your theories don't work because they fail to protect the people. Your theories don't work because you steadfastly refuse to take the real costs into account. Your theories don't work. That doesn't really matter though, because you guys don't even follow your own theories. Instead you rape and pillage and take your ill-gotten gains home, leaving devastation in your wake.
Forcing countries into debt and propping up corrupt regimes so that multi-nationals can turn a profit isn't really free enterprise though, is it? For all the talk of capitalism and free markets that come from the right, their actions tell a whole other story, Toro.
How many Mexican farmers have been forced off their land because the markets were flooded with heavily subsidzed GM corn? Is that a free market? How many Nigerians did the police kill at the behest of Halliburton? Is that development? Is killing protestors democracy?
Your theories don't work because they fail to protect the people. Your theories don't work because you steadfastly refuse to take the real costs into account. Your theories don't work. That doesn't really matter though, because you guys don't even follow your own theories. Instead you rape and pillage and take your ill-gotten gains home, leaving devastation in your wake.
A patient died on a gurney in a Montreal hospital a year or so ago while suffering from cardiac arrest. In the subsequent investigation, it was determined that the man had been waiting in the hallway for 37 minutes, 7 minutes over the prescribed time limit.
Oh, look. See! Socialism causes death! Medicare, because it cannot allocate resources efficiently, caused that man to die. Thousands others like him because of insufficient resources in the system have also died. That's the policies of socialism. Death and destruction are left in its wake. The faceless bureaucrats who are only interested in one thing - keeping their jobs - did not fund that hospital properly. Because they can't. Tell that to the man's family! Tell him how wonderful socialism is! Tell all the other thousands who have died at the hands of Medicare how wonderful it is! Death! Chaos! The policies of the NDP. All the socialists want to do is expand the power of the state because they hate freedom! And they don't care how many people die, because they hate freedom! They may say they don't, but they really do! They hate you! They hate liberty! The only thing they care about is expanding the power of the state and wiping out freedom so the white wine socialists can keep their high-paying, 35-hour work week jobs.
Oh, look. See! Socialism causes death! Medicare, because it cannot allocate resources efficiently, caused that man to die. Thousands others like him because of insufficient resources in the system have also died. That's the policies of socialism. Death and destruction are left in its wake. The faceless bureaucrats who are only interested in one thing - keeping their jobs - did not fund that hospital properly. Because they can't. Tell that to the man's family! Tell him how wonderful socialism is! Tell all the other thousands who have died at the hands of Medicare how wonderful it is! Death! Chaos! The policies of the NDP. All the socialists want to do is expand the power of the state because they hate freedom! And they don't care how many people die, because they hate freedom! They may say they don't, but they really do! They hate you! They hate liberty! The only thing they care about is expanding the power of the state and wiping out freedom so the white wine socialists can keep their high-paying, 35-hour work week jobs.
RE: The right economic mo
Nah, it's the capitalists attempts to force privatisation through deliberate underfunding that caused that death. More blood on your hands, Toro.
Nah, it's the capitalists attempts to force privatisation through deliberate underfunding that caused that death. More blood on your hands, Toro.
The socialist have way more blood on their hands than any capitalist, look at Rewanda, the socialist UN sit's on there hands and hundreds of thousands die.
And don't try and blame the USA on that.
The USA is perfect, but as far as the right economic model it certainly sit's near the top.
Travis
And don't try and blame the USA on that.
The USA is perfect, but as far as the right economic model it certainly sit's near the top.
Travis
RE: The right economic mo
Actually it was the US and France that shot down any chance of the UN sending more tropps to Rwanda, Travis. They said they'd veto it if it came up. If you'd done your homework instead of just kneeling in front of George Bush, you'd know that.
Actually it was the US and France that shot down any chance of the UN sending more tropps to Rwanda, Travis. They said they'd veto it if it came up. If you'd done your homework instead of just kneeling in front of George Bush, you'd know that.
Toro said:
So... how is that different from the faceless corporations that run the insurance companies in the US that watch as peoples entire life savings are eaten up once they enter into a hospital down here? How is it different to the working poor who can't afford treatment, can't afford insurance , but earn too much to have any real coverage by medicare and medicaid? How is it different from a doctor that is afaid to treat someone at accident because his malpractise rates will jump or the fear they'll be sued for saving someones life. How is different from the small business person who would love to see his employees have a health plan, but he just can't afford to pay into it ? How is it different from your tax dollars being spent on a system to aid 1/3 of the population who fall below the ability to carry any kind of real health insurance that would allow for regular doctors visits that could prevent many of the costly problems that fill American emergency rooms?
Socialists don't hate liberty. They just want a few more inalienable rights.
For the record, modelling any country after IRELAND is a joke!! A country at war for 350 years?
Just because you have tons of tax dollars and money does not a good example make. If not for U2, they'd probably be broke. If you were to look at Irelands bus system, hospital system or school system, you would not be impressed in the slightest, you would be disturbed and grateful to be a CANADIAN.
Just because you have tons of tax dollars and money does not a good example make. If not for U2, they'd probably be broke. If you were to look at Irelands bus system, hospital system or school system, you would not be impressed in the slightest, you would be disturbed and grateful to be a CANADIAN.
RE: The right economic mo
Adverse selection
Having state-provided health insurance eliminates adverse selection. This reduces health care costs by a ridiculous amount. The state should definitely not be involved in sectors where the private sector can do a better job. Insurance is not one of them though.
Adverse selection
Having state-provided health insurance eliminates adverse selection. This reduces health care costs by a ridiculous amount. The state should definitely not be involved in sectors where the private sector can do a better job. Insurance is not one of them though.