The relevation False prophet in our time

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Belief doesn't come without some drawbacks apparently, minor drawbacks.

"Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters, if the world hates you." (1 John 3:13 NIV)

Some major drawbacks, too.

"Jesus never said, 'The culture will misunderstand you.' He said, 'The world will hate you.' He did not say to his disciples, 'Display reckless abandon and go out there and change culture.' He said, 'Fear not, I have overcome the world.' (John 16:33)."
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In the Lord Jesus Christ I greets you,

The revelation to our dear brother John. False prophet. Rev 13:11-18

And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like unto lamb, and he spake as a dragon.12 And he exerciseth all the authority of the first beast in his sight. And he maketh the earth and them dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke was healed. 13 And he doeth great signs, that he should even make fire to come down out of heaven upon the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by reason of the signs which it was given him to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast who hath the stroke of the sword and lived. 15 And it was given unto him to give breath to it, even to the image to the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; 17 and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six.

And this revelations False prophet is the christianity in today what we see.

”he had two horns like unto lamb, and he spake as a dragon.”

This two similar kind horns are the Father and the Son like the Lamb also had, but differently like the Lamb the False prophet speaks like the Dragon, or like the man or flesh.

And today we can see that in the worlds churches had those two horn, and they speaks like the man, or the Dragon, like it is predicted that the False prophet will be.

Here we can learn how the Dragon will speak, when our Lord speaks to the Satan.

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art
a stumbling-block unto me: for thou mindest not the things of God, but the things of men. (Matt 16:23)

This come of this False prophet, was then when the christianity was separated in the judaism in Rome in around 300. And those mentioned violent acts was those happens what we can also read today in a books of history, when this false christianity start to spread in the world in act of this False prophet.

So leave this world's churches, because they has come in the power of teh falsity and they are for misleading for the peoples of the world.

Join in to the real churches of living God where the shepherd is the Lord Jesus Christ.

The word of exhortation

Mikko Ainasoja

Yahweh's and the Lord Jesus Christ's servant and a chosen teacher
Too late ... The Beast has come and gone. Rupert Murdoch has already announced that he's stepping down.
 

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"Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters, if the world hates you." (1 John 3:13 NIV)

Some major drawbacks, too.

"Jesus never said, 'The culture will misunderstand you.' He said, 'The world will hate you.' He did not say to his disciples, 'Display reckless abandon and go out there and change culture.' He said, 'Fear not, I have overcome the world.' (John 16:33)."
Christian: Are You Ready For Exile Stage Two? | Stephen McAlpine
Athiests for the most part don't care or their arguments are few and not not depth other than a few lines with no context and no references. The ones that condemn believers are other believers. The bigger the group the more restricted they are in their understanding because mistakes are ingrained and at that level they don't get removed. Heretic is a Christian to Christian term.

It's a pretty long article and void of any real content about what is in the book. Daniel and Revelations are companion books. From Acts:10 until the last line in Jude is a single work and it is meant for all Gentiles, as such part cannot be removed and applied to issues it was never designed to fit in with.

The 'exile' mentioned is an 'exile' from something that was never meant to be. Congregation is a whole town or city rather than a group that meets in a single building at an appointed time. Discussions about God were always intended to be more spontaneous and to take place wherever a few people got together. Their situation is more like being released from a prison as all Churches operate on the same principles, they need money from the flock is the first 'rule'. Enlightenment from God comes in the form of a single book, in this case the 1611KJV is the most accurate version of the original Greek and the original Hebrew that 'we' have. If it isn't dog-eared then the owner is going to be void of knowing anything about what it is saying. If it is part of a collection of religious books then the owner likely has to backtrack as the theories he garnered from the other works are the opinions of men. Any work is going to contain some flaws, the texts come with several ways to eliminate straying from the original message so unless you can spot the flaws you are going to ado[pt something that you shouldn't be. The solution isn't that hard, verify what is being promoted by going over the text that is being referenced. In this case Daniel and I Peter are said to be linked but no examples are given. Daniel and Revelations have 100 connections and to date the matches are not very good as far as most of them being able to hold water. For instance, we are still in the brass and the 70 weeks of Da:9 is a single block of time.

They seem to be sad about not being 'in the news'. They aren't shepherds, they are part of the flock. There is no mission to gather anybody, the mission was to publish the Bible through the world so every person has heard of the word 'God' and as such a relationship is established. Their is no mandate to segregate ourselves from 'willful sinners' any further than at mealtimes and other 'at home' activities. It certainly shouldn't appear in any form in public but it does and in a major way in this world.
God gathers people on an individual basis, if you aren't gathered at the start you are gathered before the end. There is not much that can be done to get into the first group but there are a lot of things a person can do that will put them into the gathering at the Great White Throne rather than at the beginning of the 1,000 years. That should also be expected as the ones at the beginning end up being Shepherds to the later group and the flock is always larger in number. Making it more involved than that can only come by adding things that were never originally intended to be there.
In their cafe studies the term, 'day of the lord' can go a long way to understanding how that iron/clay empire dies and the everlasting kingdom takes over. Sinners are put away before anybody is 'gathered' with the promised 'glorification' that comes with it. They will make faster progress in the Cafes than they would in the established Churches. It should be a willing exile on their part for that very reason. If it costs you or your family a standing then don't do it. You can always chat online about the Bible and use that information to compare the sermon you hear in the Church.

Since this is NA the promotions of the Southern Baptist carries a lot of weight just because they number 30-50M. They also publish lots of material so there is something to use as a starting point. The last one I saw was 2hrs on the 4 blood moons theme, since I did by study already I can pick out a lot of things I disagree with as the vid plays. Before that I would listen and then review the actual verses they were promoting and the same passage usually put their version of the meaning into serious doubt.

What are a few points from that article that caught your eye on the first read?

Too late ... The Beast has come and gone. Rupert Murdoch has already announced that he's stepping down.
That should mean we enter the age of enlightenment. I wouldn't hold my breath in that the replacement is going to dismantle anything.

This vid just popped up and t56he point I was making starts at about 6:45. That 'gap' doesn't exist so any theory based on it is going to have flaws that can be exposed as not fitting in with the words of the text.


Wow, talk about a lot of dominoes in that vid that are just waiting to be knocked over. For example.

-Israel will be created in a day.
The Balfou Declaration points to before 1920 that a movement was interested in the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The financing started earlier so 70 years is involved in the creation of it, 70 years later they are again promoting big things happening.

-valley of dead bones is the whole House of Israel being brought back to life from the literal grave.

Eze:37:12:
Therefore prophesy and say unto them,
Thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold,
O my people,
I will open your graves,
and cause you to come up out of your graves,
and bring you into the land of Israel.
Eze:37:13:
And ye shall know that I am the LORD,
when I have opened your graves,
O my people,
and brought you up out of your graves,
Eze:37:14:
And shall put my spirit in you,
and ye shall live,
and I shall place you in your own land:
then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it,
and performed it,
saith the LORD.

The in one day part would include all these thing and a lot more.

Eze:37:24:
And David my servant shall be king over them;
and they all shall have one shepherd:
they shall also walk in my judgments,
and observe my statutes,
and do them.
Eze:37:25:
And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant,
wherein your fathers have dwelt;
and they shall dwell therein,
even they,
and their children,
and their children's children for ever:
and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Eze:37:26:
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them;
it shall be an everlasting covenant with them:
and I will place them,
and multiply them,
and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
Eze:37:27:
My tabernacle also shall be with them:
yea,
I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
Eze:37:28:
And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel,
when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

All of the above happens in the hours of 3PM-6PM on the same day the two witnesses are resurrected.

The rest of the program is done by quoting a few verses a few time but generally Scripture is mentioned but the verses not read as they would show the meaning to be quite different that what is promoted. The 'curse them that curse you' verse was for Abraham alone and that is quite clear in the passage, that is why they no longer recite the verse.
 

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What are a few points from that article that caught your eye on the first read?

Because a writer's context matters:

"Stephen (McAlpine) has been reading, writing and reflecting ever since he can remember...He currently works as a pastor and church planter for Providence Church, and in his writing dabbles in a number of fields, notably theology and culture...Stephen and his family live in the eastern Hills of Perth..." (Australia).
About | Stephen McAlpine

Below are few points from the blog that caught my attention on first read:

"The Western church is about to enter stage two of its exile from the mainstream culture and the public square. And it will not be an easy time. In case you missed it, Exile Stage One began a few decades or so ago, budding in the sexual revolution of the sixties before building up a head of steam some 20 years ago.

In Exile Stage One the prevailing narrative was that the Christian church was being marginalized, Christendom was over; the church needed to come up with better strategies; to strip away the dross, and all in order to reconnect Jesus with a lost world.

But here’s the problem. Exile Stage One thinking has left Christians completely unprepared for Exile Stage Two reality.

1. We Assumed Athens not Babylon
2. We Assumed a Neutral Culture Not a Hostile World
3. We Loosened Our Language Just When The Cultural Elites Were Tightening Theirs

The letter of Jude is true, unadulterated exile language. It’s unadulterated precisely because his readers had never experienced the mild disinterest of Exile Stage One brought about by the eclipse of Christendom. They were hated right from the moment Jesus was nailed to a tree, but got on with contending for the faith, godly living in their communities and love towards God and others nonetheless.

That is what we must recover. Second Stage exiles do not place their hope in a city here, be it Athens or Babylon, but seek a city that is to come. (Hebrews 13). Second Stage Exiles do not need the approval of the culture, neither do they need to provoke the culture in order to feel good about themselves. No, true exiles can live out their time in exile with confidence, love and hope because they trust in him 'who is able to keep [them] from stumbling and to present [them] before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy.' (Jude 1:24)."
Christian: Are You Ready For Exile Stage Two? | Stephen McAlpine
 

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Because a writer's context matters:

"Stephen (McAlpine) has been reading, writing and reflecting ever since he can remember...He currently works as a pastor and church planter for Providence Church, and in his writing dabbles in a number of fields, notably theology and culture...Stephen and his family live in the eastern Hills of Perth..." (Australia).
About | Stephen McAlpine
Would the timing of the 'escape' have a reflection on how far he has progressed since then. Sometimes just a step or two can leave a person feeling like they have reached the finish line when the knowledge that would be part of crossing that line is still missing. That would be along the lines of not hearing anything new in the talks about God in general. 10 people that think alike aren't very good at spotting flaws in their theory. In a closed community the 'spotters' would be the younger generation as they have the most flexible view and can think up questions that the older ones can't because they have already concluded what something means and what it doesn't mean. Knowing what the arguments are for each theory helps you arrive at a conclusion that is on solid ground. (as far as theory goes)

Below are few points from the blog that caught my attention on first read:

"The Western church is about to enter stage two of its exile from the mainstream culture and the public square. And it will not be an easy time. In case you missed it, Exile Stage One began a few decades or so ago, budding in the sexual revolution of the sixties before building up a head of steam some 20 years ago.
The 60's saw protests against needless war that were effective enough to shut one down. That has never happened since, smut did not make it's appearance in the 60's except that so many more were doing it it got noticed. Bring attention to that little bit took away what was really happening at university level when intelligent people were doing some drugs that actually opened their eyes to the way the world worked. Since change was impossible it became a comedy show, a pretty good one as the topics are probably relevant today as well as back then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I2PjLna4C0&list=PL3tLSbvHNrwqYHUMNbQ7fOdxyTYGb-Kqg

In Exile Stage One the prevailing narrative was that the Christian church was being marginalized, Christendom was over; the church needed to come up with better strategies; to strip away the dross, and all in order to reconnect Jesus with a lost world.
The only change needed was the ones in the pews should have been allowed to question the sermons more rather than listen and shut up and don't question the experts.

But here’s the problem. Exile Stage One thinking has left Christians completely unprepared for Exile Stage Two reality.
The book is the only thing needed in either stage. Stage I in that respect would be an examination of the beginning and end of the book and doing a conclusion on just that part. The other task is to take all the rest and divide it into 2 piles where each pile is one bruise or the other from Ge:3:15. Once that is done and the material gone over you have the correct picture that points to the literal version of what the book is about. (in places down to events happening in less than 1 hour of literal time. You can't escape one without already being prepared to start the next phase. For me I my 'escape' would have been in 1988 and 12 years later I started to chat with others about parts of the book I hadn't yet read and that was based on this 1 verse, after that task was done I had a much better idea of what the fuller picture was as there were lots of fine details in the OT.

Lu:24:27:
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets,
he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

1. We Assumed Athens not Babylon
Athens as in 'all the realm of Grecia'? Satan and the Beast have 3 1/2 years to rule the world and they have 10 men who are appointed as kings over 10 new nations. What is considered to the the HQ doesn't really matter as the conclusion is at Jerusalem as that is destined to be the HQ of the world when. Satan has 3 1/2 days in which Jerusalem becomes Satan's Babylon and then sinners across the planet are sent to the grave in just the few hours it takes for the 7 vials to be poured out.

2. We Assumed a Neutral Culture Not a Hostile World
No such luck, if you were at that stage then the deception would not be very effective. Hostile is sometimes seen as rejecting a sound argument. That is quite natural as most changes a person goes through come after something new had been promoted and then rejected and then thought about later of some new info comes in that supports it and in hindsight a change in thinking may happen. Them again with Noah's flood there were no conversions that resulted in more than the destined 8 were left alive. They ones left alive at the flood of fire are witnesses, as such they need somebody there to hear their witrness and the ones that qualify are the ones that didn't make it through the fire. They get to hear about it when they are alive again at the GWT event.

3. We Loosened Our Language Just When The Cultural Elites Were Tightening Theirs
Whatever that means, the elite have never been open about anything, being exposed is not the same as a voluntary statement.

The letter of Jude is true, unadulterated exile language. It’s unadulterated precisely because his readers had never experienced the mild disinterest of Exile Stage One brought about by the eclipse of Christendom. They were hated right from the moment Jesus was nailed to a tree, but got on with contending for the faith, godly living in their communities and love towards God and others nonetheless.
This is getting a bit too cryptic.

That is what we must recover. Second Stage exiles do not place their hope in a city here, be it Athens or Babylon, but seek a city that is to come. (Hebrews 13). Second Stage Exiles do not need the approval of the culture, neither do they need to provoke the culture in order to feel good about themselves. No, true exiles can live out their time in exile with confidence, love and hope because they trust in him 'who is able to keep [them] from stumbling and to present [them] before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy.' (Jude 1:24)."
Christian: Are You Ready For Exile Stage Two? | Stephen McAlpine
The temple in Re:4 is where our prayers end up. It came into effect in Luke:21:24 and will be in effect until the day the two witnesses are killed in Jerusalem. For the next 4 days Satan will be the King of Jerusalem, the 7 vial end that rule and his temple. In the 1/2 between the end of the vials and the beginning of the resurrection of the whole House of Israel Christ builds the stone part of His House of Prayer that will be the centerpiece of Jerusalem for the next 1,000 years and then the living are taken to the location of the GWT.

Isa:51:6:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.
 

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The book is the only thing needed in either stage.

I would suggest, MHZ that Immanuel eclipses the book and is the one "thing" needed at all times.


The blogger is described as an Australian pastor and church planter who in his writing dabbles in a number of fields, notably theology and culture. In this piece, Stephen McAlpine addresses the Christian and asks, "Are you prepared to stand as the systematic shunning of Christ in culture progresses from Athens to Babylon?"

Athens:
"A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to debate with him (Paul). Some of them asked, 'What is this babbler trying to say?' Others remarked, 'He seems to be advocating foreign gods.' They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection. Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, 'May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting? You are bringing some strange ideas to our ears, and we would like to know what they mean.' (All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.)" (Acts 18:16-21 NIV)

Babylon:
"At this time some astrologers came forward and denounced the Jews. They said to King Nebuchadnezzar, 'May the king live forever! Your Majesty has issued a decree that everyone who hears the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music must fall down and worship the image of gold, and that whoever does not fall down and worship will be thrown into a blazing furnace. But there are some Jews whom you have set over the affairs of the province of Babylon—Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego—who pay no attention to you, Your Majesty. They neither serve your gods nor worship the image of gold you have set up.'
Furious with rage, Nebuchadnezzar summoned Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. So these men were brought before the king, and Nebuchadnezzar said to them, 'Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the image of gold I have set up? Now when you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music, if you are ready to fall down and worship the image I made, very good. But if you do not worship it, you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace. Then what god will be able to rescue you from my hand?' (Daniel 3:8-15 NIV)

"Christian, are you prepared to remain steadfast as the prevailing culture moves from marginalizing to hunting/eradicating Christ?"
 
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I would suggest, MHZ that Immanuel eclipses the book and is the one "thing" needed at all times.
Is that the clay becoming the potter?

The blogger is described as an Australian pastor and church planter who in his writing dabbles in a number of fields, notably theology and culture. In this piece, Stephen McAlpine addresses the Christian and asks, "Are you prepared to stand as the systematic shunning of Christ in culture progresses from Athens to Babylon?"
The NIV isn't the book you want to be using if you are trying to figure out what the book is saying. That is for no other reason that it had to deviate from the 1611KJV in order to get it's own copyright. It is fine if 'salvation' is the topic as it confirms what it is. It won't give you the nuts and bolts how that comes about. Ge:3:15 is the key to unlocking that sequence. You then have a choice of studying one bruise or the other

Athens:
"A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to debate with him (Paul). Some of them asked, 'What is this babbler trying to say?' Others remarked, 'He seems to be advocating foreign gods.' They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection. Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, 'May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting? You are bringing some strange ideas to our ears, and we would like to know what they mean.' (All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.)" (Acts 18:16-21 NIV)
If you have a quote why ignore it and add your own adlib alone. A buildup is fine if it is a standalone verse but the explanation without the quote turn it into an opinion and it deprives the readers from being able to judge if the context is correct.
The 'foreign God' in the NT is the one who produced the 7 letters as those are the qualities God will use when He takes control of things in a literal version.
Athens is connected to the brass in Daniel, the little horn in Da:8 is the 500 year rule that Rome had over Jerusalem for 500 years in all. The Gospel was written during the time of the brass and the start of the time of the Gentiles was in 70AD as the result of a prophecy given by Moses. The time of the Gentiles has 42 months left to run when the two witnesses are called to preach in Jerusalem for 1260 days, the equal to 42 months. Jerusalem becomes Satan's Babylon for the next 4 days then it is destroyed.

Da:8:8-12:
Therefore the he goat waxed very great:
and when he was strong,
the great horn was broken;
and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,
which waxed exceeding great,
toward the south,
and toward the east,
and toward the pleasant land.
And it waxed great,
even to the host of heaven;
and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground,
and stamped upon them.
Yea,
he magnified himself even to the prince of the host,
and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away,
and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground;
and it practised, and prospered.

De:4:27-31:
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations,
and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,
whither the LORD shall lead you.
And there ye shall serve gods,
the work of men's hands,
wood and stone,
which neither see,
nor hear, nor eat,
nor smell.
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;)
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Lu:21:20-24:
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies,
then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains;
and let them which are in the midst of it depart out;
and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
For these be the days of vengeance,
that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
But woe unto them that are with child,
and to them that give suck,
in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land,
and wrath upon this people.
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword,
and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,
until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.


Re:11:1-2:
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod:
and the angel stood,
saying,
Rise,
and measure the temple of God,
and the altar,
and them that worship therein.
But the court which is without the temple leave out,
and measure it not;
for it is given unto the Gentiles:
and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.


Prayer is how the seeking is done in the 'latter days' and in this case if it is sincere it will result in protection from being killed and that person would survive the 3 woes and see the day of the lord happen as a living witness. The 'few in numbers' is a reference to being reduced to 144,000 for all 12 Tribes so WWII does not fulfill that part of the prophecy. It does for the Rothschild version only.

Babylon:
"At this time some astrologers came forward and denounced the Jews. They said to King Nebuchadnezzar, 'May the king live forever! Your Majesty has issued a decree that everyone who hears the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music must fall down and worship the image of gold, and that whoever does not fall down and worship will be thrown into a blazing furnace. But there are some Jews whom you have set over the affairs of the province of Babylon—Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego—who pay no attention to you, Your Majesty. They neither serve your gods nor worship the image of gold you have set up.'
Furious with rage, Nebuchadnezzar summoned Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. So these men were brought before the king, and Nebuchadnezzar said to them, 'Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the image of gold I have set up? Now when you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music, if you are ready to fall down and worship the image I made, very good. But if you do not worship it, you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace. Then what god will be able to rescue you from my hand?' (Daniel 3:8-15 NIV)

There are 2 Babylons in Scripture, Neb and then Satan. Neb was acting as a servant of Gos and from the captivity until his death he was gathered by God to become a firm believer. God bestowed on Neb a few thing such as the title king of kings and he was given dominion over the beasts of the field. That plays in to when Christ comes as He is the mechanism that destroys the iron/clay kingdom that takes control of the world 3 1/2 years before the return and Jerusalem 3 1/2 days before the return.

Da:2:37-38:
Thou,
O king,
art a king of kings:
for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom,
power,
and strength,
and glory.
And wheresoever the children of men dwell,
the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand,
and hath made thee ruler over them all.
Thou art this head of gold.

Da:4:36-37:
At the same time my reason returned unto me;
and for the glory of my kingdom,
mine honour and brightness returned unto me;
and my counsellers and my lords sought unto me;
and I was established in my kingdom,
and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven,
all whose works are truth,
and his ways judgment:
and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.


The latter time of the brass is when the 1st of 3 woes begins as that is 'tribulation' for believers when Satan has woe # 1 and woe #2 and then woe #3 is Christ and the 7 vials whose effects last 1,000 years and that earns it the title of 'great tribulation'.

"Christian, are you prepared to remain steadfast as the prevailing culture moves from marginalizing to hunting/eradicating Christ?"
If a person is stead fast it is because of prayers to God rather than sanctuary can be arranged by people alone. If the poor can make it through then stockpiling would they couldn't do that as only the rich could and the odds of them making it through by that method stands at zero.
 

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Christians are going to end up worshipping in secret caves, hiding from the police just as they did for the first three and a half centuries. WMaybe, that is what Christianity is meant to be after all, instead of some gigantic gold-plated juggernaut: the faith of the lowly and opressed.
 

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Works for me, it never was meant to be connected to a political movement. How much does each flock member of the RCC get when the Vatican divides up the dividend checks from the $15B sitting in their bank? Gee I wonder who would ever want to take over their duties?
 

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The NIV isn't the book you want to be using if you are trying to figure out what the book is saying...

I beg to differ, MHz. And so does the One who by His Spirit authored the written revelation and places it in our minds and hearts. The superior version of the Bible is "Immanuel". Without Him, Bible students are just members of an ancient book club.

"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." (1 Corinthians 2:14 NIV)
 

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KJV
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.


NIV And all people will see God’s salvation.’
Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another.


Who makes it into the new earth alive, all people or all flesh?
 

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These texts just keep coming they remind me of the song the twelve days of Christmas
I wonder what drugs they were on when this was thought up and written down
 

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These texts just keep coming they remind me of the song the twelve days of Christmas
I wonder what drugs they were on when this was thought up and written down
They have some mighty fine hashish in the Middle East and probably some good mushrooms and cactus's. But that dude John and his revelations.... some major bummer.
 

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Who makes it into the new earth alive, all people or all flesh?

"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city." (Revelation 22:14 NIV)

It's less about semantics, MHz and more about personal spiritual condition.
 
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These texts just keep coming they remind me of the song the twelve days of Christmas
I wonder what drugs they were on when this was thought up and written down
You should be wondering how they could right something that totally baffles you, yet you are claiming to be the smarter of the two. It would be more like how could 40 strangers write about the same topic and only the same topic. Never mind, that would be a grade two question and you haven't learned to walk yet.

"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city." (Revelation 22:14 NIV)

It's less about semantics, MHz and more about personal spiritual condition.
1Co:4:20:
For the kingdom of God is not in word,
but in power.

You can't get there without taking a literal journey that runs by the ticking of the clock. There is one path and your version would seem to leave the fate of the smallest up in the air while the other version has all flesh being invited into the new earth. Men have 1 route and the other flesh has a different route. The lamb that God killed to make Adam and Eve some clothes will be the first to 'be remembered' and the ones that Christ puts to sleep after His return will be the last to be resurrected to life. You reference book doesn't keep that story alive and the reason is due to an income desired from having a 'new book' to reference.

Lu:12:6:
Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings,
and not one of them is forgotten before God?
Lu:12:7:
But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Fear not therefore:
ye are of more value than many sparrows.

Ho:2:18:
And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field,
and with the fowls of heaven,
and with the creeping things of the ground:
and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth,
and will make them to lie down safely.

Ho:4:3:
Therefore shall the land mourn,
and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish,
with the beasts of the field,
and with the fowls of heaven;
yea,
the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.

Isa:56:9:
All ye beasts of the field,
come to devour,
yea,
all ye beasts in the forest.

Isa:11:6:
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb,
and the leopard shall lie down with the kid;
and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
and a little child shall lead them.

Eze:47:9:
And it shall come to pass,
that every thing that liveth,
which moveth,
whithersoever the rivers shall come,
shall live:
and there shall be a very great multitude of fish,
because these waters shall come thither:
for they shall be healed;
and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
 

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You should be wondering how they could right something that totally baffles you, yet you are claiming to be the smarter of the two. It would be more like how could 40 strangers write about the same topic and only the same topic. Never mind, that would be a grade two question and you haven't learned to walk yet.

The new man in Christ is an ambassador for God at all times, MHz.
 

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There are a few qualifiers for claiming to you belong to Christ.

Lu:6:46:
And why call ye me,
Lord,
Lord,
and do not the things which I say?

M't:7:21:
Not every one that saith unto me,
Lord,
Lord,
shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Lu:12:47:
And that servant,
which knew his lord's will,
and prepared not himself,
neither did according to his will,
shall be beaten with many stripes.
Lu:12:48:
But he that knew not,
and did commit things worthy of stripes,
shall be beaten with few stripes.
For unto whomsoever much is given,
of him shall be much required:
and to whom men have committed much,
of him they will ask the more.

A good many that assume they have an open door before them have the same attitudes that the ones in the 7 Churches that have not overcome their faults. Not that big of a deal when universal salvation is 'the plan'. Great control device when the theory is substituted into salvation being based on belonging to a collective.