The Quebec "nation" should separate...

Machjo

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By the way...

I've got French Canadian blood, British blood, and native blood, and can say that just by looking at history that the natives have a stronger historical claim than Quebec, as much as many Quebecois might not like to hear this, with the Quebec nation of a few hundred years being but a baby in comparison to the 30 to 50 thousand years the natives have been in Canada. So while the French and English elephants are fighting for territory, many forget that the indian mice are being trampled underfoot in the process. So while I'm indifferent to whether or not Quebec separates, I'm still a strong believer in respect for Canada's natives, either by the federal government or the Quebec government, either way. The only thing that would concern me with a sovereign Quebec is that, while it might help fight English language hegemony in the world, which certainly is a big concern, it risks bringing with it French langauge hegemony on Quebec's indian reservations.

In that respect, perhaps a united canada could be to the natives' advantage if they play their cards right by playing their two ex-colonial peoples against each other. But then again, that also risks leading back to the elephant and mice scenario. So it seems the natives lose either way.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: The Quebec "nation" s

It also ignores the Cree population in Northern Quebec. They have valid land claims based on treaties. Those land claims could well give them sovereignty over a lot of Quebec's hydro-electric power.

We have muc the same issue here in Manitoba, but it is not being further complicated by a separtist force in the province.
 

Andem

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Re: RE: The Quebec "nation" should separate...

data-unlimited said:
Why do Quebec still want to separate when Canada try as much as they can to give in their special "needs"?

You and every other non-quebec Canadian asks this question. Some people in Quebec feel disenfranchised by the current system of the federal government, of which feelings are enhanced and double-reinforced by separatist propaganda.

Welcome to CC, data ;p I hope you join our conversations.. very few Albertans here, but lots of your neighbours from BC :)
 

data-unlimited

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lol, you're wrong about that. Even though I'm not from Quebec - it doesn't mean I'm a Canadian. I only asked that question 'cause I've just recently moved to Canada and don't know much about the political systems here.
And thanks for your warm welcome. :D
 

Andem

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data-unlimited said:
lol, you're wrong about that. Even though I'm not from Quebec - it doesn't mean I'm a Canadian. I only asked that question 'cause I've just recently moved to Canada and don't know much about the political systems here.
And thanks for your warm welcome. :D

Sorry for making that assumption. But it is a question a lot of people ask :p But take a look at some of the threads by Numure, he's a separatist who's part of this community and he's posted his views a lot.

Here: http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/search.php?search_author=Numure
 

stiritup

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As a Seperatist how can you continue to accept the benefits of the country you want to leave? Isn't that like the teenager who stands at the open fridge telling his parents he should be allowed to move out because he's so hard done by living with them? As a country, why do we feel we need to put up with the sniveling whining elements of a political movement that wants to take from us that to which they have no right? Enough is enough! If you don't want to be a part of this country, then leave but don't expect us to give you anything. You only deserve free passage to the greener grass over what ever fence you think you're being hemmed in by. And if you think you're going to take anything...
Au revoir. 8)
 

Mediana

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Re: RE: The Quebec "nation" s

Numure said:
Wanna know from where the majority of immigrants to Québec come from? France. And its growing each year. Thousands and Thousands of French citizens moving to join "Les cousins Québécois".

From where are you getting your information? In my experience the number of French moving to Quebec is insignificant compared to the massive numbers of North Africans immigrating here.

Conversely, I know of several Europeans who have fled Quebec after failed attempts at trying to fit in; including a Belgian couple and a French family in Montreal, along with a Swiss couple in Trois-Rivieres.

Its not hard to understand why... The difference in the standard of living between Quebec and Europe is minimal, whereas Maghreb immigrants have everything to gain and little to lose by moving to Quebec.

The Arabization of places like Montreal is happening at a faster rate than your infusion of French "cousins".

I see hijabs everywhere, but still not a decent croissants au beurre anywhere in sight.
 

Numure

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Ohh yes, indeed. But I know many Belgian and French coupels that are still here, many at that. With no plans to leave any time soon. I know alot more that are just waiting to move.

But indeed, a growing community with many advantages is present in Québec. North Africans. I also know many. A great people, with alot to add to Québec. They just need to take their place.