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[SirJosephPorter]

Abortion is against the laws of God.

Whose God, Coldstream? Your God? Jerry Falwell’s God? Pat Robertson’s God? Because it is not against the God of Pelosi, Biden, Chrétien, Pail Martin, Obama, Clinton etc.

Is their God a false God, and your God (and that of Pat Robertson etc.) the only true God? What about those who don’t believe in God? Are they also bound by what your God says?

But in a way you are right, the only argument against abortion is the religious argument.

 

[L Gilbert]

Abortion is against the laws of God.

Only those that have the same god as you give a crap. There are other gods out there and each of their followers think the same about their gods as you do about yours. Big deal.

Those are easily accessible in our own divinely ordained conscience, if it hasn't been deluded by a lot of relativistic propoganda.

Yeah, I've heard this rhetoric before, too. No-one's right except you because you have a god because you have a book that says you have a god blah blah blah.....

And usually when i see people criticize, or atleast distract the conversation to grammar or spelling or punctuation it just indicates to me they've run out of arguments and have decided they cannot compete on the basis of the substance of the discussion. Well, thanks for your 'compliment' anyway.

Sometimes. Other times it's because what was written is not understood because of poor diction, spelling, grammar, etc.

And you seem to 'pontificate' pretty well, atleast in a facsimile form. :smile:

lol Stuck on a scale, the amount of bombastic bushwa that you emit far outweighs tp's by a massive amount.
BTW, abortion isn't even mentioned in the Bible. And as Dexter's pointed out many times and directly from the Bible, it condones killing, theft, etc. itself. All that does is point the finger of hypocracy directly at the people who wrote the Bible and the fictional nonsense the Bible is supposed to be the word of.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

That is undoubtedy based on faith, and therefor beyond proof.. but it is also True. The manifestation of not accepting Truth will be seen in a chaotic dissolution of a society, whose ethos is to its own 'freedom' from any 'God' given moral maxims.

It may be true, Coldstream, but only in the metaphysical sense. It is not true in the sense that law of gravity is true. It is true only in your belief system. Only about a billion people in the world (Christians) accept your truth and not even all of them (many of them think that abortion is OK).

So it may be true in your worldview, but that does not make it a universal truth.

 

[coldstream]

Abortion is against the laws of God.

Whose God, Coldstream? Your God? Jerry Falwell’s God? Pat Robertson’s God? Because it is not against the God of Pelosi, Biden, Chrétien, Pail Martin, Obama, Clinton etc.

Is their God a false God, and your God (and that of Pat Robertson etc.) the only true God? What about those who don’t believe in God? Are they also bound by what your God says?

But in a way you are right, the only argument against abortion is the religious argument.

There's only One, but there sure have been a lot of False Prophets.. which Jesus warned us about. You will know them by their fruits.

 

[TenPenny]

There's only One, but there sure have been a lot of False Prophets.. which Jesus warned us about. You will know them by their fruits.

You really have this thing about homosexuals, don't you?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

There's only one, but there have been a lot of False Prophets.. which Jesus warned us about. You will know them by their fruits.

That is a circular argument, Coldstream. Who decides if a Prophet is a false Prophet? Do you decide that? There is no central authority who can decide that, there is always difference of opinion about that.

For instance, do you think that Joseph Smith was a false Prophet? Millions of Mormons all over the world will disagree with you.

 

[coldstream]

You really have this thing about homosexuals, don't you?

:lol:, lol.. Touche, TenPenny.

but, right.. ;-)

 

[L Gilbert]

Likewise. L., you sound pretty dogmatic and myopic and chauvinistic yourself.

So what are you saying, that i'm bigoted against atheists. :roll:

Pot, Kettle, Black.

Nope. I am just amused and sometimes frustrated by people that swallow and regurgitate nonsense that they haven't bothered to question. If someone shows me where I am wrong I can change my view. If I cannot find any evidence that supports an idea, I sure as hell won't expound on the idea and claim its "truth". Unfortunately, you can't say the same. That leaves your objectivity and the integrity of your words in a great big pile of doubt. ;-)

 

[L Gilbert]

:lol:, lol.. Touche, TenPenny.

but, right.. ;-)

As I said, bigoted.

 

[captain morgan]

Abortion is against the laws of God.

Whose God, Coldstream? Your God? Jerry Falwell’s God? Pat Robertson’s God? Because it is not against the God of Pelosi, Biden, Chrétien, Pail Martin, Obama, Clinton etc.

Is their God a false God, and your God (and that of Pat Robertson etc.) the only true God? What about those who don’t believe in God? Are they also bound by what your God says?

But in a way you are right, the only argument against abortion is the religious argument.

i don't hold a specific opinion regarding pro-choice/pro-life, however, you've eclipsed any of your previous exaggerations with this nonsense.

I defy you to provide one single example of a mainstream religion that overtly and specifically promotes abortion... Not some bizarre extrapolation and resulting subjective interpretation on your part, but a definite and real example of a religious dictum that promotes abortion.

So the onus is on you SJP. Put your money where your mouth is.

Further, I take it that somehow you speak on behalf of the entire global secular population on the issue of abortion?... If not, won't you agree that your closing statement is highly prejudicial?

 

[JLM]

That is the big bone of contention, isn’t it, JLM? Some say a baby is being aborted, others say it is not. The question is whether those who claim that a baby is being aborted should be able to impose their view upon others.

In something as crucial as this, would it not be prudent to err on the side of safety and give the subject the benefit of the doubt?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I defy you to provide one single example of a mainstream religion that overtly and specifically promotes abortion.

Did I say that, Captain? Read my post again, I never said that any religion supports abortion. I talked of the God of Pelosi, God of Biden, Chrétien, Martin etc. We don’t know what their concept of God is, except that they call themselves Christians (same as Coldstream, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell etc.). Your comment does not apply in the present case. I did not say God of Christians, God of Muslims etc.

So the onus is on you SJP. Put your money where your mouth is.

Not at all, Captain. You made a statement that was miles removed from my post.

If not, won't you agree that your closing statement is highly prejudicial?

You mean the following statement?

But in a way you are right, the only argument against abortion is the religious argument.

Not at all. I haven’t seen anybody make a non religious argument opposing abortion. That is why I formed the opinion. There may be non religious arguments, but I haven’t seen them. The arguments mostly say that fetus is a baby and killing a baby is wrong. That is a religious argument.

 

[JLM]

"Whose God, Coldstream? Your God? Jerry Falwell’s God? Pat Robertson’s God? Because it is not against the God of Pelosi, Biden, Chrétien, Pail Martin, Obama, Clinton etc."- HANG ON THERE S.J. - Those people's expertise lies in politics, do any of them hold papers allowing them to practice religion professionally? I doubt it. You can do better than that S.J.

 

[L Gilbert]

i don't hold a specific opinion regarding pro-choice/pro-life, however, you've eclipsed any of your previous exaggerations with this nonsense.

I defy you to provide one single example of a mainstream religion that overtly and specifically promotes abortion... Not some bizarre extrapolation and resulting subjective interpretation on your part, but a definite and real example of a religious dictum that promotes abortion.

So the onus is on you SJP. Put your money where your mouth is.

Further, I take it that somehow you speak on behalf of the entire global secular population on the issue of abortion?... If not, won't you agree that your closing statement is highly prejudicial?

Where did the dumbass say there's a religion that 'promotes" abortion? Did you read something I missed?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"Whose God, Coldstream? Your God? Jerry Falwell’s God? Pat Robertson’s God? Because it is not against the God of Pelosi, Biden, Chrétien, Pail Martin, Obama, Clinton etc."- HANG ON THERE S.J. - Those people's expertise lies in politics, do any of them hold papers allowing them to practice religion professionally? I doubt it. You can do better than that S.J.

So what is your point, JLM? Just because they are politicians, they are not allowed to have their own concept of God? And who says that one has to practice religion ‘professionally' to have their own concept of God? Does that privilege belong to TV evangelists (who practice religion ‘professionally’?).

Pelosi, Biden, etc have their own concept of God (and everybody has that right, not just those who practice religion ‘professionally’) and they have been able to square their concept of God with abortion, they don’t see any conflict there.

I assume you do not practice religion professionally. Do you have your own concept of God? Because you are not a professional does anybody has the right to dictate to you what is the correct concept of God?

Just because they are politicians does not mean that they cannot have their own concept of God. We all have that right.

 

[L Gilbert]

Just occurred to me that if Joey Porter was a cop, he'd be Barney Fife.

Barney Fife - Google Search

 

[L Gilbert]

And if coldstream was on tv, his name would be Archie Bunker.

 

[captain morgan]

@ L Gilbert


"Quoting SirJosephPorter Abortion is against the laws of God.

Whose God, Coldstream? Your God? Jerry Falwell’s God? Pat Robertson’s God? Because it is not against the God of Pelosi, Biden, Chrétien, Pail Martin, Obama, Clinton etc.

Is their God a false God, and your God (and that of Pat Robertson etc.) the only true God? What about those who don’t believe in God? Are they also bound by what your God says?

But in a way you are right, the only argument against abortion is the religious argument."

Above is SJP's insightful contribution.... I won't get into some retarded argument on semantics with Mr. Porter, however, you decide for yourself.

In my minds eye, the strong insinuation with which porter questions coldstream's logic seeks to undermine the issue by question 'which' God's 'law' is applicable suggests that the opportunity to select a 'God' can determine if abortion is "against God's laws".

... So SJP, I'll ask again. Provide one solitary example of a mainstream religion (previous conditions still applicable) that overtly supports abortion.... Perhaps you can consult with Biden, Obama, Chretein, Martin, et al and determine if abortion is against the laws of their Gods.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

JLM, I remember reading stories about a robot named Joe (no relation). It is a hideous robot, with a transparent body and wheels and cogs whirring inside. The book was ‘Robots have no tails’ by Henry Kuttner. Hilariously funny book, the stories describe the antics of Joe, and his maker Gallagher.

Anyway, Gallagher has been charged with something and Joe is called as witness. Now, how do you administer an oath to a robot? So the judge asked him ‘do you believe in God’? The robot answered yes.

But the defense lawyer wanted to throw a monkey wrench in the proceedings. So he asked Joe ‘what does God look like?’ Joe answered ‘he looks like me, of course’. The court broke up in confusion.

Everybody has a right to formulate their own concept of God.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

So SJP, I'll ask again. Provide one solitary example of a mainstream religion (previous conditions still applicable) that overtly supports abortion..

Once again Captain, I did not say that, show me the post where I said that.

'which' God's 'law' is applicable suggests that the opportunity to select a 'God' can determine if abortion is "against God's laws".

And I did not ask ‘which God’s law’, I asked ‘whose God’, there is a big difference.