The prison city: a good idea?

[Bar Sinister]

A number of years ago Canadian and American prisons were described as "Schools for crime." Would not the proposed prison cities quickly turn into "Cities for crime?" Putting a very large number of criminals in close proximity to one another is a perfect formula for increasing the crime rate, not decreasing it. If you really want prisons that work they need to be smaller with rehabilitation and not punishment as the focus.

 

[JLM]

A number of years ago Canadian and American prisons were described as "Schools for crime." Would not the proposed prison cities quickly turn into "Cities for crime?" Putting a very large number of criminals in close proximity to one another is a perfect formula for increasing the crime rate, not decreasing it. If you really want prisons that work they need to be smaller with rehabilitation and not punishment as the focus.

I think you may be on to something there. :smile::smile:

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

There's a strong link between incarceration and socio-economic status, so a prison city system would be an intensification of already deepening divisions between the haves and havenots.

I guess if your ultimate goal was to create a society with a slave class(which seems to be the direction we're headed anyway) then dividing the population this way would be a logical step.

 

[JLM]

There's a strong link between incarceration and socio-economic status, so a prison city system would be an intensification of already deepening divisions between the haves and havenots.

I guess if your ultimate goal was to create a society with a slave class(which seems to be the direction we're headed anyway) then dividing the population this way would be a logical step.

Things could easily be evened up a bit if the likes of Conrad Black and Bernie Madoff were thrown into the mix. :lol:

 

[#juan]

While we're at it, let's put the "prison city" next to a nice lake with sandy beaches. We could also provide inmates of this
prisoner's utopia with free alcohol and perhaps it could be catered by one of the better hotels.

NONSENSE!!!

Let's make prisons punishment not a reward.

 

[DurkaDurka]

A lesbian prison city would be pretty cool

 

[karrie]

There's a strong link between incarceration and socio-economic status, so a prison city system would be an intensification of already deepening divisions between the haves and havenots.

I guess if your ultimate goal was to create a society with a slave class(which seems to be the direction we're headed anyway) then dividing the population this way would be a logical step.

With nearly two and half million people in prison or jail at any given time, this might be the only fiscally feasible route for the US to go.

 

[SirEarlofGreed]

Quoting:http://forums.canadiancontent.net/members/machjo.html
1. We gradually eliminate Canada's current prisons and replace them with two: one for men, and one for women, possibly with other means of dealing with female inmates who are pregnant or with children.

2. These two (or possibly three, as mentioned above concerning maternal inmates) prisons, would not be regular prisons, but rather prison cities.

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[ironsides]

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

With nearly two and half million people in prison or jail at any given time, this might be the only fiscally feasible route for the US to go.

How about we find better alternatives to prisons. In the US it's become big business housing and using people in prison for jobs that used to be done out in the community. Also many people in prison are there due to mental illness, something like 25% of people incarcerated in the US come under this catagory. So while phyciatric hospital were closed and no funding came forward to support mentally ill people in the community many ended up in the prison system often in maximum settings due to their inability to comply with regultaions.

Violent crime is down while white collar crime is way up. The right wing love to use crime as a wedge issue but their solution of putting everybody that falls throught the social cracks into prison is a flawed approach, just look at California. Prisons are great breeding ground for more criminals, the last thing we should be doing is adding to an already broken system just become some knee-jerk politicians want to scare us into believing they're our only hope.

 

[Machjo]

A number of years ago Canadian and American prisons were described as "Schools for crime." Would not the proposed prison cities quickly turn into "Cities for crime?" Putting a very large number of criminals in close proximity to one another is a perfect formula for increasing the crime rate, not decreasing it. If you really want prisons that work they need to be smaller with rehabilitation and not punishment as the focus.

That was the whole idea behind y prison city concept. Since non-inmates could more easily enter for business, etc., it would mean prisoners would have much more access to the outside world than they do now. Since they might also be able to work for the private sector while still in prison, it would also help t make transition to the outside world easier afterwards too, since they'd have a ready reference and might even be able to just keep working for the same company at a different location.

I think there would be more organized crime. And more prisoners leaving with an education in organized crime.

Why more so than now? Right now prisoners are much more isolated from the outside world than they'd be in a prison city where it would be easier for non-inmates to enter to set up factories and other businesses for instance. It would also reduce costs to taxpayers since prisoners would have to work to like anyone else. And like any other unemployed, unemployed prisoners would have to get job training to upgrade their skills to make themselves employable.

While we're at it, let's put the "prison city" next to a nice lake with sandy beaches. We could also provide inmates of this
prisoner's utopia with free alcohol and perhaps it could be catered by one of the better hotels.

NONSENSE!!!

Let's make prisons punishment not a reward.

Punishment for us or them? I'll be honest here; one of the reasons for my idea of a prison city was to try to make it self-sustaining so that less of my tax money goes to pay them. What? You don't think prisoners should work and contribute to the economy? Well, if you want all your tax money going to support prisoners, be my guest.