The Poor are the victims of Kyoto etal.

harleyhunny

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The poor will always suffer because as far as the government is concerned they don’t pay taxes and are a burden on society.

The poor are the guinea pigs and are tested and prodded on a regular bases for a few crumbs and maybe a fistful of change.

A good example of the governments distaste for the poor is their inaction to help the survivors of hurricane Katrina which a large percentage were poor,

There are homeless and poor in America and Canada because the taxpayer doesn’t want to share the wealth and solve this crisis.

The poor are the modern day slaves and there seems to be no way out for them.

They hope that their children will be luckier that’s if they are not get sucked up in gangs.

We have religious organization that throw a few table scraps into their bowl like they would to a junk yard dog and if the poor wants more then they are told to pray to their God so he can take away their hunger so they can die in peace.

The government tries to help the poor but if they give them more money middle class and wealthy taxpayers would complain that spending money on the poor is a waste of money.

The poor will suffer in any idea the government might have to cut greenhouse gases like the flawed Kyoto agreement and the poor that suffer unnecessarily will always be the cost of doing business of these useless exercises.
The poor are not the victims the tax payer is. We have our cheques robbed of our hard earned money so the lazy in this country can choose welfare as a career move, young girls get knocked up so they have a meal ticket, the poor are scammers, they take and never give. God helps those who help themselves. I have never taken charity, nor a welfare cheque, that would be hitting rock bottom, and very shameful. We work in our family, and we work to better ourselves, and we have, with no handouts, or help. I refuse to get caught up in this homeless bull****, or food banks. Those bloody ingrates want to tell people what they can and cannot put in a food bank, they should be glad of what they get, if they are not willing to work for it. I have no problem feeding a hungry person but they have got to earn it, like they used to. When my parents had a restaurant we would get the occassional loser looking for a handout, we would feed them but they had to earn it, by doing some chore. Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish, and he will always eat.;-)
Giving all our money to the useless is only going to chase the tax payer out of this country.
 

harleyhunny

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To Walter and the rest of the bleeding hearts out there. You all bitch and complain and mouth off about the middle class, the rich, etc. Just who the hell do you think supports the useless in society if not the rich and the workers taxes. Certainly not from you whining do gooders, who seem to whine but do nothing also. Put that energy into helping them if you feel so strongly, instead of whining about the wrong people. Take them in if you feel so strongly.
Where I am right now, if you do not work you do not eat. There are no homeless here, poor people, but tenacious and proud, they do not get handouts, they work. They may be poor, but they eat better than we do. They find all kinds of productive ways to make a living and to survive. Too bad we don't employ that in Canada.
 

Kreskin

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Good thing he didn't get hurt while trying to "earn" it. Then lawyers go after the liability insurance, then rates go way up etc. By then you'ld wish he was given a hamburger and just asked to leave.
 

Extrafire

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Ah, yes, the urban environmentalists sleep soundly in their beds at night, secure in the knowledge that by burning bio-fuel they are saving the planet

Who could possibly complain about that?

Well, the worlds poor might.

Famine watch
A few weeks ago I wrote in this space -- facetiously -- that an effective response to global warming and/or the atmospheric accumulation of carbon dioxide would be to cut the world’s food consumption by half. This could be achieved if we would all agree to eat only on odd-numbered days.

Among the advantages of having our environmental commissars enforce this scheme, I mentioned the halving of the factory and transport infrastructure, that delivers the planet’s food. But beyond this, the food industry’s billion or so poorest customers, who barely get enough to eat now, would be removed from the carbon account entirely. Think of it on the analogy of a corporate buy-out, I suggested: “At first, there is a net increase in CO2 ‘costs’ as people die and their corpses decay. But later, after they have finished decaying, there are substantial and permanent net savings.”

Perhaps I shouldn’t joke. A scheme to kill off the world’s poor, through starvation, has already been launched on the advice of environmental “experts,” and is showing promising results. The tactics are cleverer than mine, by half.

“Biofuel” is the means. By turning much of the planet’s limited arable land, including especially the lower-cost breadbaskets of the Third World, into grain generators for biofuel, the environmental revolution is creating the conditions for famine on a colossal scale. Thanks to massive First-World subsides for biofuel, and state regulations requiring constant increases in the biofuel component of Western oil consumption, the tonnage of the world’s crops being fed into biofuel production appears, from various estimates, to be growing about five times faster than the amount being fed into human mouths. The turnover is accelerating.

Even in the economically advanced West, the rise in food prices has become noticeable. My observant reader will find plenty of signs in his local supermarket, where the price of dairy products is leading an advance that must necessarily spread -- for wholesale prices are outstripping retail prices in food across the board. The secondary effect of the monetary inflation this re-ignites is in itself beginning to cause economic havoc.

But we, who spend (in North America) less than 15 percent of our income on food, can nevertheless survive if that proportion doubles or triples.

It is in the poorest countries of the world, where people often spend more than half their income obtaining food, that a doubling or tripling of prices is fatal. And note, the supply of food does not need to halve, in order to double prices. It only has to fall, consistently, a little behind demand.

Please don’t take my word for this. The United Nations’ World Food Programme and various other collectivist agencies are already becoming eloquent on the subject. In a statement to the European Parliament last week, the executive director of the WFP explained that their own cost of obtaining food for distribution to the world’s hungry had risen by 40 percent since last June. They are not predicting a catastrophe. They are experiencing one.

And all this is happening for what? So that we, the rich, can feel some smug environmentalist satisfaction while pumping biofuel into our cars.

The economics of biofuel are themselves distorted by subsidies representing around half of production costs. It is a way of producing petroleum that is structurally more expensive than refining oil, not only in cash, but in environmental fallout -- for there are more production stages to be passed through, and fossil fuels are burned in passing through them.

Cheap gas we are not going to get. The world’s oil prices have much more to do with the OPEC cartel than any shortage of reserves or supply. Huge new reservoirs have come to light (most recently off the coast of Brazil), and there were already huge unexploited reserves (such as Alberta’s tar sands). But by consistently choking down supply, a fraction behind growth in demand, OPEC can keep the whip hand for the foreseeable future.

Biofuel has thus already joined the list of environmental catastrophes caused by environmental scares. That list began with the DDT scare in the early 1960s, since when tens of millions have died from malaria and other diseases that could have been eradicated by spraying with this effective pesticide.

The triumph of “environmentalism” is symptomatic of the madness that has gripped our power elites, under the thrall of “political correctness” -- for there is real insanity in creating an actual and predictable disaster, to avert an imaginary one.

Noting food riots already in Egypt, Indonesia, Vietnam, the Philippines, and Mexico, and food rationing in Pakistan and China, the Indian development economist Deepak Lal writes: “For the Western ‘good and the great’, their academic acolytes and the pop stars grandstanding to save Africa and to end poverty, this latest Western assault on the world's poor by their promotion of biofuels to replace food on the limited land in the world, can only evince contempt.”

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Avro

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Ah, yes, the urban environmentalists sleep soundly in their beds at night, secure in the knowledge that by burning bio-fuel they are saving the planet

Who could possibly complain about that?

Well, the worlds poor might.

Sort of like the a guy with a small penis driving in his Hummer on a heavy smog day with not a care in the world.
 

Walter

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Biofuels forcing world to ration food aid
By Dennis T. Avery and Alex A. Avery
web posted March 17, 2008
The World Food Program is preparing to ration food aid for the world's hungriest poor. Why? Primarily because we're burning food in our automobiles. The rich-country mandates for biofuels have doubled and tripled world food prices in less than three years.
The World Food Program's costs are rising by millions of dollars per week and the donations aren't, warns WFP executive director Josette Sheeran. The WFP is trying to feed more than 70 million people in 78 countries with voluntary contributions—but now can't afford to keep its agreed-upon commitments.
World corn prices are above $5 a bushel, up from $1.86 three years ago. Prices for wheat, soybeans, rice and even cotton are rising as they're crowded out of field space by biofuel crops. Pakistan says it will reimpose food rationing for the first time since the 1980s. China's food inflation rate is 18.2 percent, and the Chinese have blocked further expansion of their fledgling biofuel program.
Oxfam points out that the poor in the Third World must often spend 60-80 percent of their incomes for food, so the price increases are a drastic threat to their well-being.
In Yemen, the prices of mostly-imported bread and other staples have nearly doubled in recent months, with at least a dozen people killed in food riots.
The underweight proportion of the world's children under five had dropped by 20 percent since 1990—but that vital progress may now be reversed by the biofuel subsidies. Meanwhile, while U.S. and European officials stubbornly insist that burning millions of tons of corn, sugar and palm oil in our gas tanks has nothing to do with the soaring prices of farm commodities.
"The fundamental cause is high income growth, " claims Joachim von Braun, the head of the International Food Policy Research Institute. He blames increased meat consumption in such high-growth nations as China and India. But both those big countries have largely supplied their own grain and meat increases over the past 15 years.
The commodity-savvy Financial Times is more realistic. "Biofuels will not feed the hungry," it warned in a recent editorial. ". . . the biggest structural change [in food pricing] is biofuels. In the space of a few years, the U.S. has diverted about 40 million tonnes of maize to produce bioethanol—about 4 percent of global production of coarse grains. That rapid growth is largely the result of subsidies—which must halt. The environmental benefits of maize biofuel are ambiguous at best and it should not be favored over growing maize for food."
The same should be said, of course, about the EU's new commitment to provide 10 percent of its transport fuel from land-hungry biofuels, grown both in the EU countries and imported from such species-rich environments as Indonesia and Thailand. One of the great apes, the orangutan, is directly threatened by palm oil plantations because the apes love to eat the palm seedlings. Thousands of orangutans have been captured and killed because the palm oil plantations are an "attractive biofuel nuisance."
U.S. corn farmers raised a record amount of grain last summer—but one-third of it is going into ethanol plants to "cure our addiction to foreign oil." That corn will produce perhaps 10 billion gallons of ethanol—but nets out to just 50 gallons worth of gasoline per acre. That's after subtracting the nitrogen fertilizer, the diesel fuel, the process heat for the ethanol plants—and ethanol's 35 percent fewer Btu's of energy per gallon.
Match 50 gallons worth of gasoline per acre against America's annual demand for 135 billion gallons of gasoline! If we doubled corn yields, we'd still not achieve much "energy independence." Nor would we feed the hungry.
 

lone wolf

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I wonder if human blubber works as well as whale oil?

Woof!
 

Walter

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Oh no, food prices are going up. Boo hoo!

You know what else the worlds poor complains about? First world agricultural produce being so cheap that they can't compete and make a living farming.

Well if food prices are so high, now they can. They can get all their farms running again and make plenty of food and profit.

Quit whining.