The patron saint

[eanassir]

FIVE
On December 7, 2008​

The Patron saints of Jews​

http://www.answers.com/topic/holy-places​

Some of the holy graves of Jews:
· The Cave of Machpelah, in Hebron, in which, according to tradition, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are buried together with their wives (except for Rachel);
· Rachel's Tomb in Bethlehem (Rachel is the wife of Prophet Jacob, and the mother of Joseph and Benjamin; she died while giving birth to Benjamin);
· The tomb of David on Mount Zion, was the favored Jewish holy place because of its proximity to the Old City of Jerusalem.
· The graves of prophets (e.g., Samuel and Zechariah in Jerusalem),
· The graves of sages of the talmudic period (e.g., Simeon Bar Yoḥai in Meron, Akiva in Tiberias, Simeon the Just in Jerusalem),
· The graves of other scholars and saints (e.g., Isaac Luria in Safed and Maimonides in Tiberias).
· The grave of Hamadan in Iran,
· The grave of Ezra, (according to a tradition it is in Jerusalem, and according to another tradition, is) at Shatt-el-Arab near the confluence of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers.
· Outside Palestine, the tombs of revered rabbis became the objects of pilgrimage and even celebration on the death anniversary.​

Some Acts of the association and enthusiasm at the graves and shrines, as practiced by Jews:
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/english2.htm#Comment​

¨Visiting the holy grave:
A visit to a holy grave was, and in many quarters still is, considered to be beneficial to the visitor. ​

¨The death anniversary of the holy man:
and the Yahrzeit (death anniversary) of the holy man is often the occasion for ceremonies at his grave.
Yahrzeit developed from an early Jewish custom of fasting on the anniversaries of deaths of certain leaders, and some Jews still fast on yahrzeit.
Traditionally, 7 Adar (the date of birth and death of Prophet Moses) is observed by members of a Burial Society and other pious Jews as the anniversary of the death of Moses.
The tomb of Simeon bar Yoḥai is annually visited on Lag Ba-Omer​

¨Special prayers:
Special prayers have been composed for many sites and collected in a work called Sha'aré Dim'ah. ​

¨The most common expressions of devotion are:
>> candle lighting,
>> prostration upon the grave,
>> and leaving written requests on slips of paper.
>> It is not uncommon for individuals and whole families to spend several days camped at the tomb of a revered figure.​

¨The tomb of Simeon bar Yoḥai is the site of an annual pilgrimage on Lag Ba-Omer regularly attended by over 100,000 people. ​

¨Rachel's Tomb has become an important place of Jewish pilgrimage, especially Jewish women unable to give birth.
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/israel/bethlehem-rachels-tomb.htm​

¨ Visits "to graves of holy men were considered particularly meritorious by the 16th-century kabbalist school of Safed. The outstanding leader of this group, Isaac Luria, is credited with "revealing" and identifying numerous sites in Galilee. Most of these are graves of sages mentioned in the Talmud."​

"The kabbalistic preoccupation with holy places is believed by scholars to stem from a more transcendent perception of God than was common in the biblical period.
The kabbalist, who experiences God's transcendence much more than His immanence, seeks devices that will aid him in his attempt to draw near to his distant Creator.
The personality of the departed holy man whose grave is visited, through its example and (perhaps) intervention, serves this function."
http://www.answers.com/topic/holy-places​

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[eanassir]

In my opinion, a nice neat personally written treatise on this would have served you better.

imo/jao

r;s

Your opinion has certainly been appreciated by your friends. :-|

 

[eanassir]

And you do not appreciate this because?

imo/jao

regards,
scratch

Because you adopt such a way of ridiculing the Quran and related subjects.
Where is your discussion? What do you agree or disagree and the evidence in each case?

 

[eanassir]

With all due respect.

I have not ridiculed a thing.

You, IMO, just cannot express yourself.


regards
scratch

This has been my impression; it may be I was wrong.

 

[eanassir]

If we study this part of the above article FIVE, we shall see the most idolatrous rites and acts: This is like the act of idolaters rather than men belonging to a heavenly religion devoted to God alone as ordered in the First Commandment.

¨The most common expressions of devotion are:
>> candle lighting,
>> prostration upon the grave,
>> and leaving written requests on slips of paper.
>> It is not uncommon for individuals and whole families to spend several days camped at the tomb of a revered figure.​

However, I noticed such rites and devotion with many of Muslims concerning the graves of their imams and shaikhs; and may be more.

The strange thing is the common way of devotions in all these religions: that is because Satan is the suggesting one in this respect to all the members of these heavenly religions;
the aim of Satan is to let man lose by adopting the way of association, enthusiasm and glorifying the tombs and shrines like idols.
The Disagreement of the_​

eanassir

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[eanassir]

When we study the acts of these associaters and idolaters, we notice the similarities among their rites and devotions; they only differ in their names and their sects.​

Example:
Once I met a lorry driver, who wrote on his lorry: "Guarded by Sheikh Abdul Qadir";
I said to him: "This is wrong. The one that guards you and your lorry is God Most Great."
He said: "This sheikh is a patron; he is the ally of God and is honored by God and he intercedes for our behalf."
I said: "The patron is God – be glorified; therefore obey God and you will be His ally; this sheikh is only a human being like you, while God guards all of us including the sheikh himself."
Then I said to him: "You saw some of the people of other sects and you have done like them."
He said: "No, our patrons are true patrons."
I said to him: "There is nothing like that their patrons or your patrons; the true patron is God – be exalted – as in many ayat of the Quran."
But he refused to accept my words. ​

Another example: Many years ago, I saw a Jewish family converted and became Muslims; then the wife of Sasson the name of the Jewish that converted together with his family) brought her child to the outpatient clinic; I examined him and gave him the required treatment. ​

Then while I was doing that, the mother of the child (she converted together with her husband) started to play with her child, and smile to him and say:
"God and Sheikh Abdul Qadir! God and Sheikh Abdul Qadir!" (She meant: "May God and Sheikhs Abdul Qadir protect you!")​

I said to her: "What have you done?"
She said: "What?"
I said: "You have associated Sheikh Abdul Qadir with God Almighty."
She said: "I am not aware of this; I only have imitated the people here."
So I explained to her that this was wrong, and she should instead say to her child:
"May God alone protect you!"
http://man-after-death.t35.com/3.htm#Kinds_of_God_worship​

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[eanassir]

Repeated post.

 

[Cliffy]

eanassir,

The issue of the patron saints may be a talking point with you in proving that other religions have it all wrong and that only the Muslim religions has it right, but other than ahmadman, nobody else on here cares about the subject. Most of us are not religious and your posting of this gibberish is a constant reminder why we are not. You are not going to win any converts by being annoying. Even the christians on here don't debate you because they don't care what your beliefs are. They are too brainwashed by their own religion.

The reason I have been talking to you at all is to try to get you to have an original thought, to give your opinion. All you do is quote other people and writings, which leads me to believe that you are a robot incapable of thinking for yourself and therefore represent a religion of robots. Go out and get laid man, and get a life. Allah doesn't want you in paradise because you are a party pooper.

 

[eanassir]

SIX
On December 8, 2008​

The patronism is universal​

This does not concern any one religion in particular: whether it is the Islam, Christianity, Judaism or other religions.

This "patronism" is a sort of idolatry and association with God, and is contrary to the first principle of the heavenly religion which is the First Commandment: that God is One without any associate, peer or patron.

To God the Creator is due all the devotion, servitude and glorification; but not to any patron whether this patron is a prophet, apostle, saint, sage, scholar, imam, sheikh or other religious leaders.

By taking such patrons: the worship, devotion and servitude (which has to be exclusively consecrated to God alone) such worshipping will be shared between God and the patron; and will be divided between them.

The associater (belonging to any sect or nationality) will fear the patron saint of his country or town,
will hope every good from his patron – not from his Creator.
He will be grateful to the patron, if he gains any profit, thinking that all his prosperity was because of the blessing of his patron.

Therefore, such is the association and idolatry.

That is because if you ask the idolater or the associater: "Do you acknowledge God?"

He will answer you: "Yes, of course, I believe in God my Lord and Creator; but these idols (or patrons) will intercede with God for our behalf, and so God will answer our prayers; because these idols are symbols of some righteous men favored by God."

And this is the pretext of all associaters everywhere; and now the followers of all these heavenly religions have fallen in this idolatry and association, in addition to the other religions all over the world.

I have seen this, even among a large number of Muslims, in every town and city: where there is the graves of some dead righteous men whom they sanctify, and take them as patrons; just like all other people: even in America and Europe (who deem themselves educated), in addition to prevalence of the atheism in these countries.

This is in the Quran 6: 116​

وَإِن تُطِعْ أَكْثَرَ مَن فِي الأَرْضِ يُضِلُّوكَ عَن سَبِيلِ اللّهِ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلاَّ الظَّنَّ وَإِنْ هُمْ إِلاَّ يَخْرُصُونَ​

The explanation:
(If you obey most of the [people] on earth [in their opinions], they will lead you astray far from God's way;
[because] they only follow surmise and only they insist on lying.)

The interpretation:
>> (If you obey most of the [people] on earth [in their opinions], they will lead you astray far from God's way); because they are associaters: to each of them is a doctrine of falsehood other than the doctrine of the other sects, and each of them invites you to follow his religion and doctrine.

>> (They only follow surmise) or what they deem about their doctrines, without referring to any heavenly book.

>> (and only they insist on lying) about their false doctrines, and do not acknowledge and admit the truth.


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[eanassir]

SEVEN
On December 9, 2008​

The common patron saint​

The patron saints are shared between many sects; each sect respects the patron of the other sects, and show devotion to him. This is very strange indeed; because eventhough they differ from each other in doctrines (and may fight each other because of their fanatism; but they show respect to all the patrons, including the patrons of the other sects!)​

The reason for this is that the instigating one is Satan and his hosts: the aim of devils is to let man lose by inclining to the association, idolatry and patronism; because it is unforgivable sin. Therefore, devils encourage man by their suggestions, to show devotion to any of these patron saints; because the result is the same: the association with God. ​

¨ Example: some ignorant Muslim women go the church of Christians where there is the statue of Mary mother of the Christ, and to do many acts of idolaters: kiss the statue, kneel down to it, vow their vows to it and ask their needs from this statue or idol. ​

Allahu Akbar! By doing so, they almost have slipped away from the religion of the Islam (which essentially refuses the idea of idols and statues). In addition, it is forbidden by the First Commandment to make any statue or graven thing. ​

¨ Another example: many Christian women, also ignorant (in spite of graduating from universities) go to the shrine of Imam Ali, in the city of Najaf, and vow to him their vows; some of them, having sterility, pray for having a son! While all this is not up to Imam Ali or any other creature, but only is up to God – be glorified.​

¨ Another example: it has been a sort of enthusiasm about Imam Ali – salam be to him – that some women in the Muslim countries when she is in the labor pain, Satan suggests to her that she should cry aloud: "ALI !" so that her labor will be easy.
While in fact she has to supplicate God the All-Able and Most Merciful to make her labor easy for her. ​

My mother, she is an old woman, and now has CVA and is paralyzed; she told me many years ago, about some Jewish women who were some of her friends here in the past:
the Jewish woman who was pregnant and in the labor pain, her Jewish friend said to her: "Say the word ["ALI !"] and be at rest" ​

This is in the Quran 30: 42-43​

قُلْ سِيرُوا فِي الْأَرْضِ فَانظُرُوا كَيْفَ كَانَ عَاقِبَةُ الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلُ كَانَ أَكْثَرُهُم مُّشْرِكِينَ . فَأَقِمْ وَجْهَكَ لِلدِّينِ الْقَيِّمِ مِن قَبْلِ أَن يَأْتِيَ يَوْمٌ لَّا مَرَدَّ لَهُ مِنَ اللَّهِ يَوْمَئِذٍ يَصَّدَّعُونَ​

The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed, to these associaters]: "Journey in the land, then behold how was the end of those [unbelievers] that were before; most of them were associaters [so We exterminated them.]"​

So teach [your comrades, O Mohammed] the devotion to the religion [of Abraham], the guardian [on his sons and followers], before there comes a day which God will not avert; on that day shall they be sundered [into two divisions.] )​

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[Cliffy]

Hi,
I was just wondering, do you guys get paid for flooding this forum with Islamic propaganda? Do you and ahmadman work in the same office?

 

[eanassir]

Hi,
I was just wondering, do you guys get paid for flooding this forum with Islamic propaganda? Do you and ahmadman work in the same office?

No, I am not paid, and I don't want any payment; this is according to the Quran 12: 104​

وَمَا تَسْأَلُهُمْ عَلَيْهِ مِنْ أَجْرٍ إِنْ هُوَ إِلاَّ ذِكْرٌ لِّلْعَالَمِينَ​

The explanation:
(And you do not ask of them for any wage for it; it is only an admonition to all nations.)


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[eanassir]

EIGHT
On December 12, 2008
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Miracles of the patron saint​

Many miracles have been ascribed falsely to patron saints; when in fact it is only the apostles of God that were given some miracles to prove their apostlehood: i.e. that they were truly sent by God – be glorified.

No apostle could do any miracle other the only the miracle given to him by God Almighty.
This is in the Quran 13: 38​

وَمَا كَانَ لِرَسُولٍ أَن يَأْتِيَ بِآيَةٍ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِ اللّهِ​

The explanation:
(And it was never the part of any messenger to bring a miracle except as God permitted.)

It means : No apostle can do any miracle of his own accord and as he wants, but only the miracle given to him by God, which is suitable to his time:

Like Moses' staff was suitable to his time when the magic was prevalent, and the miracle of Moses disproved their magic.

And the miracle of Jesus was medical: when medicine was advanced according to their time, so he brought something that disabled their medicine like reviving the dead, and curing the albino and the congenitally blind.

Similarly the Quran is the miracle of Prophet Mohammed; because the Arab were eloquent and fluent in their language and poetry, so the Quran was a miracle that they could not do like it.

However, people have ascribed many miracles to the patron saints, more than the miracles of God's prophets themselves.

So all the miracles ascribed to these patron saints (and sages, rabbis, imams, sheikhs and others) are false and fabricated, out of enthusiasm and lying to each other, and by Satan's suggestions to let them fall in the idolatry and associating these saints with God the Creator.

Example:
Once people crowded at the shrine of one of the imams at the city of Kerbala; they came from many places and cities; but were prevented – by some government belonging to another sect – from entering into the shrine of that imam; so people wanted to enter but they were prevented and they gathered outside the door of that shrine, resenting and angry.

Then all of a sudden the huge door or gate of that shrine (which can only moved by a large number of men, and when closed from inside it would be very very difficult to open); all of a sudden the two parts of the door were pushed open violently so that all the crowd entered with joy, considering this a miracle of that imam, to let his devotees enter.

But that was the work of genies (or demons) living in that shrine and belonging to the same sect; because genies (or demons) follow the same religion and doctrine of that particular region; so when they saw their sect followers prevented from going in the shrine, the broke the gate open with their mighty power.


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[eanassir]

NINE​

Betraying the Lord


(Why was Israel divorced?)​

To be loyal to God:
To serve Him alone, to glorify Him more than anyone else, and to make the worship exclusively devoted to Him alone without associate or equal.
It requires no patron besides Him: God is the Patron, the Protecting and the Master.​

The prayer is to Him; of Him we ask our needs.
In God we trust, and on Him we rely and depend.
For Him we expend the money to the poor and needy.
By Him we swear.
Day and night His name is mentioned with sanctification, glorification and praise.​

Nothing of this is to be shared with anyone other than God: whether Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Ali or other saints and imams.​

To betray God:
That is when such acts of servitude are shared with anyone other than God: like the patron saints, then this is the betrayal. This is like the wife who betrays her husband and associates other men with him; this is the adultery and fornication, which will defile this woman and let her husband divorce her.​

God – be glorified – chose Israel in the past, to serve Him alone without associate, and made a covenant with her as in the Book of Levites, chapter 19 that if she is loyal to Him and does not worship other gods, He will defend her; but if she betrays Him and serve other gods, then He will punish her.
​

Why was Israel divorced? ​

God divorced Israel, and chose the Islamic nation instead of her

· It is mentioned in the Book of Jeremiah, chapter 3, the following:
“6-And the Lord said to me in the days of king Josiah:
Have you seen what rebellious Israel has done?
She has gone of herself upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and has played the harlot there (*).

7-And when she had done all these things, I said: Return to me. And she did not return. And her treacherous sister Juda saw.

8-That because the rebellious Israel had played the harlot, I had put her away and given her a bill of divorce: yet her treacherous sister Juda was not afraid, but went and played the harlot also herself.
9-And by the facility of her fornication she defiled the land and played the harlot with stone and with stocks.”
*i.e. she served stones and idols instead of God, and by doing so, she betrayed her Lord.

· In this respect, Jesus Christ said, as in the Gospel according to Matthews 21: 43
“Therefore I say to you that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you [Jews] and shall be given to a nation** yielding the fruits thereof.”

**It shall be given to a nation that shall work according to God’s commandments: i.e. the Islamic nation.

These are-as they claim- the chosen people of God: they chose serving idols instead of serving God Who saved them from slavery: from the hand of Pharaoh and the chiefs of his folk.

While, as regards Muslims: they never worshipped idols after the death of their prophet, but they worshipped God alone. God-be exalted- revealed, concerning them, His saying in the Quran, chapter 3: 110

كُنتُمْ خَيْرَ أُمَّةٍ أُخْرِجَتْ لِلنَّاسِ تَأْمُرُونَ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَتَنْهَوْنَ عَنِ الْمُنكَرِ وَتُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللّهِ وَلَوْ آمَنَ أَهْلُ الْكِتَابِ لَكَانَ خَيْرًا لَّهُم مِّنْهُمُ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ وَأَكْثَرُهُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ​

The explanation:
(You [Mohammed’s nation] are the best community evolved for mankind: enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong and believing in God.

Had the People of the Bible [lit. the Book] believed, it would have been better for them: some of them are believers, but most of them are evil-livers.)

http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/english2.htm#Israel%20Is%20divorced​

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