The Parish

marygaspe

Electoral Member
Jan 19, 2007
670
11
18
77
Sanctus, I copied your comments from the Pagan thread to here, because I think you raised some points out of context with that thread. And to be honest, I was a bit surprised and dismayed to read your comments about a parish, which is the lifeblood of the Church. Can you elaborate on your post? Honestly, i was somewhat insulted. I take a very active role in my parish and would hate to think my priest reflected the same thoughts about us as you have expressed here!

You wrote:"Well, we agree here 100%. Catholics are funny people, in my experience. So ingrained are the early lessons of the Church, that when-ever something eventful happens in the life of an adult, the first thing they wish to do is contact the Church, for a wedding, baptism, Last Rites, etc. These people often do not live their faith nor do they attend Mass with any sense of regularity.but the minute they want something, they run to the Church. Personally I despair of this very much. I make it a point to teach people, as much as possible, what it is we believe and why it is important for them to believe it and call themselves Catholic.

Most of them let my words, or the words of others, rush through their minds. They are intent on "getting the deed done" and could care less about instruction into why it is important.

A priest in seminary once stated to our class that he would rather have 12 actual Christians as a congregation than a parish of 2,000 Sunday Catholics. He claimed that with 12 devout, serious Christians, he could accomplish more for God then with a lukewarm and passive mass of people.

This thought stays with me often. I actually am not all that fond of parish ministry. Most people do not see beyond the Mass and realize how much drudge work is involved in pastoring a parish. Most of the issues people bring to me have nothing to do with the faith at all. Mostly they are complaining about something to do with the building.

I feel most satisfied in outreach ministry to Senior's and my new task with the Half-way house. Here I can reach people actually thirsty for the Gospel and pastoral care. "
 

m_levesque

Electoral Member
Dec 18, 2006
524
10
18
Montreal, Quebec
This thought stays with me often. I actually am not all that fond of parish ministry. Most people do not see beyond the Mass and realize how much drudge work is involved in pastoring a parish. Most of the issues people bring to me have nothing to do with the faith at all. Mostly they are complaining about something to do with the building. "


Excuse us for caring. So are you saying that you are too far and above us mortals to worry about the needs of a parish! what the hell is your job anyway???
 

canadarocks

Electoral Member
Dec 26, 2006
233
6
18
Excuse us for caring. So are you saying that you are too far and above us mortals to worry about the needs of a parish! what the hell is your job anyway???

What's the matter? The good Father shaking your too comfortable pews???
 

sanctus

The Padre
Oct 27, 2006
4,558
48
48
Ontario
www.poetrypoem.com
Sanctus, I copied your comments from the Pagan thread to here, because I think you raised some points out of context with that thread. And to be honest, I was a bit surprised and dismayed to read your comments about a parish, which is the lifeblood of the Church. Can you elaborate on your post? Honestly, i was somewhat insulted. I take a very active role in my parish and would hate to think my priest reflected the same thoughts about us as you have expressed here! "


Mary, I deeply appreciate the HANDFUL of people who actually become involved in their parish community. it is good to see people taking an active role in their church. However, the vast majority of people in any parish show up on Sunday, and that is the extent of their involvement. they take part in the Liturgy, they hear the Gospel, they receive the Sacrament, and they're off, as if none of these things had one iota of an impact on them. It is, sometimes, discouraging. They do not realize that Christ calls us to more then sitting on our backsides at Mass. they are to take what they discern from the Mass and bring it into their home lives.

I sit on Parish councils that debate endlessly about this or that aspect of the building the parish uses. Talk of money, of bills, of painting walls, of landscaping to be done,etc.etc. Never a word about the real mission of the community, which is to be in and of Christ.

In my very first parish, (which is like your first lover for a priest because that is the one you always remember), the first year I was there it was time for the annual Parish Dinner. Traditionally the Ladies Guild prepared the dinner and followed the dinner with cakes and tea. These ladies were older and very set in their ways. some of the younger women of the parish suggested that coffee be served along with the tea. you cannot believe the battle that ensued over this suggestion from the old guard! It blew my mind. Like it was the most important thing in the entire history of the Roman Catholic Church!

Another time after this the Men's Breakfast Club, which met before the first Mass once a month, was up in arms because one Breakfast did NOT include waffles as was usual.

These two small examples are hints at the type of things I have to contend with each and every day. Petty, unimportant matters that take on the aspect of being major events in the life of the parish.

Never mind the declining membership, or the lack of young people coming in or attending on a regular basis. Never mind the hungry in the community, the lonely in the homes. These pale in significance to coffee and waffles!

This is the aspect of parochial ministry I detest.

When I go to the Senior's Centres or the Half-way house for ministry, I find people eager to learn, to share and to open themselves up to the miracles of Christ. they respond to the compassion and love, and do not fret the little things. This is effective ministry, actually dealing with and helping in actual problems and concerns.

I feel it is time the people of the parish realize that they are professing to believe in a God who does not expect them to be overly concerned with small things.
 

sanctus

The Padre
Oct 27, 2006
4,558
48
48
Ontario
www.poetrypoem.com
Excuse us for caring. So are you saying that you are too far and above us mortals to worry about the needs of a parish! what the hell is your job anyway???


Not at all. I am saying that it is time the people of the parish place themselves firmly in the Gospel message of hope and action, to begin to live every single day as people who actually believe in the God they proclaim every Sunday.
 

csanopal

Electoral Member
Dec 22, 2006
225
5
18
Toronto, ON
Not at all. I am saying that it is time the people of the parish place themselves firmly in the Gospel message of hope and action, to begin to live every single day as people who actually believe in the God they proclaim every Sunday.


That's not very practical. We live in the real world. You cannot expect people to go around talking about Jesus all the time!
 

csanopal

Electoral Member
Dec 22, 2006
225
5
18
Toronto, ON
Mary, I deeply appreciate the HANDFUL of people who actually become involved in their parish community. it is good to see people taking an active role in their church. However, the vast mtry, actually dealing with and helping in actual problems and concerns.

I feel it is time the people of the parish realize that they are professing to believe in a God who does not expect them to be overly concerned with small things.

So, the building is not important? where would the parish go to Mass if they didn't take care of the building? What would you most like to see your parish doing then?
 

sanctus

The Padre
Oct 27, 2006
4,558
48
48
Ontario
www.poetrypoem.com
So, the building is not important? where would the parish go to Mass if they didn't take care of the building? What would you most like to see your parish doing then?


The building is important in that we need a place for fellowship and Mass, but it is NOT the reason to belong to the Church. What would I like my people to do? Practice the faith to those around them...
 

s_lone

Council Member
Feb 16, 2005
2,233
30
48
44
Montreal
I totally agree with Sanctus. Being Christian is about following Christ, not simply about going to mass on Sunday.

I will ask you this Sanctus. What would you say to a bunch young people my age (25) who would want to contribute to the humanitarian work of your parish but who would openly admit they have no interest whatsoever with Mass or any form of Catholic rituals?
 

mapleleafgirl

Electoral Member
Dec 13, 2006
864
12
18
35
windsor,ontario
I totally agree with Sanctus. Being Christian is about following Christ, not simply about going to mass on Sunday.

I will ask you this Sanctus. What would you say to a bunch young people my age (25) who would want to contribute to the humanitarian work of your parish but who would openly admit they have no interest whatsoever with Mass or any form of Catholic rituals?

what would be the point of that?
 

s_lone

Council Member
Feb 16, 2005
2,233
30
48
44
Montreal
what would be the point of that?

Um... the point of discussing...

I'm just curious to hear more of what Sanctus has to say. I've been educated as a Catholic and went to mass every Sunday until at least 16 years old. I then personally stopped going to mass because I never saw the point of the Catholic rituals... I always saw them as being completely secondary to what religion should be. Being Christian is about following the teachings of Christ; the rest is secondary.
I have a very hard time seeing beyond the symbolic value of the rituals but totally respect those who do.

I also can't say I have a solid faith in Christ as God or the resurrection of Christ. I just don't know about the truth of all that. My rational mind imposes me some reservations on the subject. I am more than open to the idea however... In a sense, what Christ represents is more important to me then whether or not he truly is God made man. His teachings speak to me and I try my best to follow the way he pointed us. I choose to accept the teachings of Christ to the best of my capacity. In the end, I'm neither a Catholic, nor Protestant or anything else. I try to be Christian and it stops there. I'm absolutely not interested in going to mass. I am however interested in making this world a better place and I think the teachings of Christ are a very good foundation for values and principles.
 

selfactivated

Time Out
Apr 11, 2006
4,276
42
48
62
Richmond, Virginia
I totally agree with Sanctus. Being Christian is about following Christ, not simply about going to mass on Sunday.

I will ask you this Sanctus. What would you say to a bunch young people my age (25) who would want to contribute to the humanitarian work of your parish but who would openly admit they have no interest whatsoever with Mass or any form of Catholic rituals?

During the hurricane 3 years ago here I wanted to allow the use of my fridge to the churches in town. I called St Bridget first, they asked if I was a member and I said I used to be but no longer was. They suggested I call Sally Ally or the Baptist churches. Peoples insolin was going bad and I had electricity! They said no.
 

RomSpaceKnight

Council Member
Oct 30, 2006
1,384
23
38
62
London, Ont. Canada
Originally Posted by mapleleafgirl
what would be the point of that?

The point would be to do good deeds without any strings attached or expectation of reward, in this world or the next and help anyone irregardless of religious faith, creed, colour or whatever. Good deeds can be done just for the warm fuzzy feeling they give.
 

hermanntrude

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jun 23, 2006
7,267
118
63
46
Newfoundland!
During the hurricane 3 years ago here I wanted to allow the use of my fridge to the churches in town. I called St Bridget first, they asked if I was a member and I said I used to be but no longer was. They suggested I call Sally Ally or the Baptist churches. Peoples insolin was going bad and I had electricity! They said no.

that's shocking.

actually no it isnt
 

mapleleafgirl

Electoral Member
Dec 13, 2006
864
12
18
35
windsor,ontario
I totally agree with Sanctus. Being Christian is about following Christ, not simply about going to mass on Sunday.

I will ask you this Sanctus. What would you say to a bunch young people my age (25) who would want to contribute to the humanitarian work of your parish but who would openly admit they have no interest whatsoever with Mass or any form of Catholic rituals?

interesting question. i would think though youd want to attend mass if you helped at a parish
 

sanctus

The Padre
Oct 27, 2006
4,558
48
48
Ontario
www.poetrypoem.com
I totally agree with Sanctus. Being Christian is about following Christ, not simply about going to mass on Sunday.

I will ask you this Sanctus. What would you say to a bunch young people my age (25) who would want to contribute to the humanitarian work of your parish but who would openly admit they have no interest whatsoever with Mass or any form of Catholic rituals?

Help in any good works is always appreciated. I would seriously work on you to attend Mass though, to fully join in the life of the parish.