The Next Islamophobic Hate Thread

[CDNBear]

No kidding. Lets also ignore the simple fact that the violence being fled is that of Muslims killing Muslims. Innocent Iraqi's are being slaughtered by Muslims for daring to hope for a life after the invasion. I won't even start on the plight of Christian Iraqi's.

Where have you been hiding. Thank you for openning the window, we needed some more fresh air in here.

Even though you openned the window, I doubt any of the Christian haters will look out at the light.

Not that I would want them to change their point of view, but accepting some truths, would be a refreshing experience.

 

[gopher]

Prove to me the American Army is a "Christian" Army.


I already gave you a link which showed how Bush claimed he was ordered by the Christian God to invade Iraq. Do you need to see it again? and if God was so inspiring, why didn't He tell Bush that the war would kill thousands of innocents who would still be alive today if Saddam (Bush's former friend) was still in office? btw, how many Muslims are there in the USA army???

just one last question, how many Ixils or Iroquois were killed by Muslims?

 

[gopher]

I won't even start on the plight of Christian Iraqi's.


Compare their lives both before and after Saddam -- which leadership do you think they preferred?

 

[Just the Facts]

I won't even start on the plight of Christian Iraqi's.


Compare their lives both before and after Saddam -- which leadership do you think they preferred?

They've been persecuted and driven to near extinction since the seventh century. Before or after Saddam isn't any kind of milestone.

 

[Said1]

Thanks for your reply. Too bad the others can't see the truth.

They do see it. I just answered the question a little differently. Did you read past the word 'yes'?

And where is the link where George Bush says he was order by God to ivade Iraq. In this thread?

 

[CDNBear]

Prove to me the American Army is a "Christian" Army.


I already gave you a link which showed how Bush claimed he was ordered by the Christian God to invade Iraq. Do you need to see it again? and if God was so inspiring, why didn't He tell Bush that the war would kill thousands of innocents who would still be alive today if Saddam (Bush's former friend) was still in office? btw, how many Muslims are there in the USA army???

just one last question, how many Ixils or Iroquois were killed by Muslims?

I asked you a question, I already know the army is not a Christian Army, I asked you to prove it was. The fact Bush made some crack about Crusades, does not make it a Christian Army. I was in the Canadian Army, I can assure you, I am not a Christian, by any stretch of the imagination. So were many of my brothers. So,,, how is it an Army of God?

I don't know how many Haudenosaunee, were killed on 9/11 or in Afghanistan or Iraq, the possiblity of averages is like to say a few. Please stop using the term Iroquois, it is derogatory and a slang. You of all people should be more sensitive to that. sheeeesh.

 

[gopher]

re-post:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1007-03.htm


See?

 

[CDNBear]

They do see it. I just answered the question a little differently. Did you read past the word 'yes'?

And where is the link where George Bush says he was order by God to ivade Iraq. In this thread?

Said1, he only sees what he wants, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[CDNBear]

re-post:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1007-03.htm


See?

THAT IS NOT PROOF THE ARMY IS CHRISTIAN, NOR IS IT PROOF BUSH SAID IT!!!!
That will not do Gopher, you must post a link to the speak and quote the exact words, not the rehashing of, as dictated by a biased journalist.

 

[gopher]

Death Count Defended

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1022-03.htm

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Published on Sunday, October 22, 2006 by Reuters [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Iraq Death Rate Estimates Defended by Researchers [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by Deena Beasley[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A controversial estimate by public health experts that hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died because of the March 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq is likely an accurate assessment, researchers said on Saturday. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Over the last 25 years, this sort of methodology has been used more and more often, especially by relief agencies in times of emergency," said Dr. David Rush, a professor and epidemiologist at Tufts University in Boston. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The study, published earlier this month by the Lancet medical journal, employed a method known as "cluster sampling" in which data are collected through interviews with randomly selected households. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Critics, including President George W. Bush, have said the results are not credible, but Rush said traditional methods for determining death rates, such as counting bodies, are highly inaccurate for civilian populations in times of war. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Researchers from Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad estimated with 95 percent certainty that the war and its aftermath have resulted in the deaths of between 426,000 and 794,000 Iraqis. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Other estimates have calculated the number of extra Iraqi deaths to be much lower. The Iraq Body Count Database calculates that between 43,850 and 48,693 extra civilians have died since the invasion. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Rush, speaking at a meeting in Los Angeles on the medical consequences of the Iraq war, said that the relatively small size of the sample -- 1,849 households -- doesn't change the findings, although it does widen the "confidence limits," hence the large range of the estimated additional deaths. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In addition, the biases inherent in cluster sampling, such as wording of questionnaires, would tend to undercount, rather than inflate, the number of deaths, Rush said. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I think this is an extremely credible study," said Michael Intriligator, professor of economics at the University of California at Los Angeles. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Intriligator, who said he commonly uses cluster sampling in his own work, noted that the study's most remarkable finding was the death rates in the country have risen from 5.5 per thousand Iraqis per year before the invasion to 13.2 per thousand per year as of the study's July cutoff. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In addition to violence, death rates in Iraq are on the rise because of threats to public health, including poorly equipped hospitals, said activist Dr. Dahlia Wasfi. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The affects on the civilian population of the war in Iraq have been grossly underestimated," said Jonathan Parfrey, executive director of the Los Angeles chapter of Physicians for Social Responsibility.[/FONT]






[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]How many of these victims would be alive today if God hadn't ordered Bush to invade?
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[gopher]

That will not do Gopher, you must post a link to the speak and quote the exact words, not the rehashing of, as dictated by a biased journalist.


It's quite good enough and was quoted extensively during the 2004 campaign by the Republicans just in case you were not aware.

 

[Said1]

re-post:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1007-03.htm


See?

Oh yes, I've seen something similar before. Did you know he also told former Palistinian leaders that God also told him to create a Palistinian state after his comments about invading Iraq. Imagine that, George confiding his most personal moments, betweeing him and God with Palistinian leaders, who later blabbed it to the world. Who'd a thunk it.

 

[Just the Facts]

re-post:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1007-03.htm


See?

That was very enlightening. I had taken it for granted that it was true that Bush actually said that. I mean, it's Bush, right. He has a propensity towards saying stupid things. However, after reading your link, I see it's most likely BS that he ever said it.

 

[Said1]

That was very enlightening. I had taken it for granted that it was true that Bush actually said that. I mean, it's Bush, right. He has a propensity towards saying stupid things. However, after reading your link, I see it's most likely BS that he ever said it.

Try this article. The BBC, it just keeps on giving!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml

 

[gopher]

He has a propensity towards saying stupid things.


That much is true. But during the 2004 electoral campaign we heard over and over again how Bush's actions were divinely inspired, that the Republicans were the party of God and morality, and that Kerry and the Democrats represented ungodly liberalism.

Bush never uttered a word of truth in his life and his claim about WMD prove that point. He has never hesitated to lie in order to promote his ambitions. Therefore, it should come as no surprise that he said it and then had Scott Mcclellan say he didn't when the public reaction against those words was as strong as it was.

 

[CDNBear]

He has a propensity towards saying stupid things.


That much is true. But during the 2004 electoral campaign we heard over and over again how Bush's actions were divinely inspired, that the Republicans were the party of God and morality, and that Kerry and the Democrats represented ungodly liberalism.

Bush never uttered a word of truth in his life and his claim about WMD prove that point. He has never hesitated to lie in order to promote his ambitions. Therefore, it should come as no surprise that he said it and then had Scott Mcclellan say he didn't when the public reaction against those words was as strong as it was.

Stop changing the topic gopher, I want a link and immaculate proof that Bush said this. If it is the basis, for your whole platform, your platform is made of litmus paper.

Prove me wrong Gopher, prove me wrong.

 

[gopher]

Stop whining will ya. Jeez.

Didn't you see Said's link? Ironically it was the same one I was going to use until he posted it. The BBC documentary settles the issue as it presents several highly credible witnesses. Don't want to believe it? That's your business.

I suppose you still believe that there are WMD all over Iraq as well.

 

[gopher]

the caption reads "Baghdad now forced to export bodies" from the conservative antiwar.com website

How many of these innocents would still be alive if God hadn't "ordered" Bush to invade Iraq?

 

[CDNBear]

Stop whining will ya. Jeez.

Didn't you see Said's link? Ironically it was the same one I was going to use until he posted it. The BBC documentary settles the issue as it presents several highly credible witnesses. Don't want to believe it? That's your business.

I suppose you still believe that there are WMD all over Iraq as well.

Are you trying to take mickeys place as the board clown?

You know full well, I never believed that and have never supported that war. The link is biased at best, give me a link to the speach itself. You dismissed my link to your HRW site, on grounds it wasn't proved in a court of law. Again you change the rules when you have no platform to stand on or proof to help brace it.

 

[gopher]

http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusintl/ap10-21-151848.asp?reg=europe&vts=102120061539


[FONT=Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]Ex-German leader: Bush's stance as 'God-fearing' president provoked suspicion[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Trebuchet MS, Helvetica]President Bush, right, and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder walk together in the White House in Washington, in this file photo dated. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Trebuchet MS, Helvetica]ASSOCIATED PRESS[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Georgia, Times]BERLIN, Oct. 21 —[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, Georgia, Times] Ex-Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, whose second term was marked by vehement opposition to the war in Iraq, described in an advance copy of his memoirs how he was suspicious of President Bush's constant references to his Christian faith. [/FONT]

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In an excerpt of his book, ''Decisions: My Life in Politics'' published in the German weekly Der Spiegel Saturday, Schroeder discusses the key political choices that marked his seven-year term in office, including the decision to call early elections and his split with Bush over the Iraq war.
''I am anything but anti-American,'' Schroeder told Spiegel in an interview to accompany the excerpt of the more than 500-page book that goes on sale Thursday.
In it Schroeder, who led the Social Democrats to power in 1998, recalls the tears in his eyes as he watched television footage of people jumping from the burning World Trade Center on Sept. 11.
He knew Germany would have to react.
''It was important to me that Germany fulfill its requirements as an ally'' of the U.S., he wrote. ''It was also fully clear to me that this could also mean the German army's participation in an American military mission.''
Several months later, during Bush's 2002 visit to Berlin, Schroeder wrote he was surprised at what he described as Bush's ''exceptionally mild'' speech to the German parliament.
While meetings with Bush at that time were friendly, Schroeder said he could not reconcile himself with the feeling that religion was the driving force behind many of the Bush's political decisions.
''What bothered me, and in a certain way made me suspicious despite the relaxed atmosphere, was again and again in our discussions how much this president described himself as 'God-fearing,''' Schroeder wrote, adding he is a firm believer in the separation of church and state.
Schroeder accused some elements in U.S. as being hypocritical when it comes to secularism in government.
''We rightly criticize that in most Islamic states, the role of religion for society and the character of the rule of law are not clearly separated,'' Schroeder wrote. ''But we fail to recognize that in the USA, the Christian fundamentalists and their interpretation of the Bible have similar tendencies.''
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Georgia, Times] Associated Press Writer Claus-Peter Tiemann contributed to this report from Hamburg, Germany.




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