The Next Islamophobic Hate Thread

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Here is an example of how following the Quran literally, can be a tragedy, especially in the fundemental followers that hold the mother completely responsible for everything, in particular any 'failings' of the children...

from World Net Daily
Posted: October 14, 2006
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A devout Muslim woman was attacked and stabbed to death, allegedly by her husband, after their 17-year-old daughter announced she was embracing Christianity, according to police and news reports. …According to Assist News Service, neighbors of the Australian family reported "blood curdling" and "terrifying" screams, along with cries of "Help me, help me, they're trying to kill me," on Monday night. Shortly after, the report said, Kaihana Hussain fled from the family's apartment, dressed in underwear because her clothes had been torn off, with blood splattered over her scratched and cut body. “From what we understand the daughter decided to tell her father of her radical plan to convert to Christianity which, in the eyes of most Muslims, is totally unacceptable and to be honest, sadly, many would react as he has done," a Muslim source told "The Gold Coast Bulletin." "It is the Islamic way that if a son or daughter does or plans to do something that is unacceptable or wrong for a Muslim then it is the mother who is automatically at fault and will bear the brunt of the blame," the source said. …Elizabeth Kendal, of the World Evangelical Alliance Religious Liberty Commission, told ASSIST that the tragedy highlights "the great and urgent need for rigorous, open debate on what Western religious liberty means for Muslim immigrants, and what Islam's rejection of apostasy means for Christians in terms of convert care." …Officials at Pembroke school in Adelaide, where the teen had attended, said the school is nondenominational and students are encouraged "to seek their own spiritual journeys." …Students are not required to participate in Christian services, officials said.
Pembroke principal Malcolm Lamb released a statement explaining the school's practice. .."In the case of Islamic students the school is in principle and in practice very supportive of students observing religious customs, such as wearing the Hijab – this has happened in the past, observing fasting and the need for prayer rooms," Lamb said.
The Quran does instruct the faithful to kill those who leave the faith but Muslim leaders have said that is not to be taken literally.

There is no doubt that this is a situation that brings the Western world to recognize that by acknowledging the gap between the freedom of our society and the strict Fundementalist Muslims, we can possible start a dialogue to enable women to step up and claim their right to choice and be free from the threat of abuse.
 

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Northstar,

You need to keep an open mind -- people are still in hospitals because of the terrorism inflicted by that reich wing California hate cult and no justice has been done for their sake. {I do hope you consider Native Americans to be people.} So why concern ourselves with those injustices? Well, people on this forum continue to condemn what Saddam did to Kurds 10-20 years ago and say that Bush's war is justified to exact revenge for the events that took place, then. So why should we concern ourselves with what took place 10-20 years ago in Iraq-Kurdistan but not in Guatemala?

Proportionately, more Native Americans were killed through right wing hate terrorism than were Kurds. Yet, we continue to read on this forum from liars like yourself that it is of no concern to anybody. Still, you insist we must go to war to stop this type of terrorism overseas but to ignore what is going on here!

Isn't it time for a hypocrite like yourself to take a consistent position on fighting terrorism????
 

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Northstar,

You need to keep an open mind -- people are still in hospitals because of the terrorism inflicted by that reich wing California hate cult and no justice has been done for their sake. {I do hope you consider Native Americans to be people.} So why concern ourselves with those injustices? Well, people on this forum continue to condemn what Saddam did to Kurds 10-20 years ago and say that Bush's war is justified to exact revenge for the events that took place, then. So why should we concern ourselves with what took place 10-20 years ago in Iraq-Kurdistan but not in Guatemala?

Proportionately, more Native Americans were killed through right wing hate terrorism than were Kurds. Yet, we continue to read on this forum from liars like yourself that it is of no concern to anybody. Still, you insist we must go to war to stop this type of terrorism overseas but to ignore what is going on here!

Isn't it time for a hypocrite like yourself to take a consistent position on fighting terrorism????

That is pretty funny, coming from someone that changes the rules of how they want the facts delivered, when those facts do not support their arguement, Gopher.

But apart from that, the rest of your post was spot on. Except the last pragraph. Bravo.
 

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Thanks (I think) for the compliment {albeit what they call a "lefthanded compliment)}. More often than not it is you or others who fail to address the issues I raised.

You say "spot on" but not much else. So I guess (since you will not specify) that, yes, religious hatred and terrorism is not a one way street -- it has been going on and continues to this day and that Muslim fanatics do not have any exclusive hold on this brand of fananticism. Since you will not give me a direct answer, I assume that this is what you mean.
 

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Thanks (I think) for the compliment {albeit what they call a "lefthanded compliment)}. More often than not it is you or others who fail to address the issues I raised.

You say "spot on" but not much else. So I guess (since you will not specify) that, yes, religious hatred and terrorism is not a one way street -- it has been going on and continues to this day and that Muslim fanatics do not have any exclusive hold on this brand of fananticism. Since you will not give me a direct answer, I assume that this is what you mean.


No, but the acts against the Kurds and other atrocities committed by Saddam, do not make a great deal of evidence to over throw his government and by which, turn a country on its ear. Saddam himself was put in power by the US to keep Iran in line. Now that he has served his purpose and turned on his puppet masters, he must be removed. Please. That is where you and I agree.

Is it based on "Christian vs. Muslim, absolutely not. It's based on the new god and his son, Money and Power.

My compliments are never back handed, they are sincere.
 

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Part of what you say here is true but that is not the answer I am looking for from you and the others here. I can give you a summation and all that I will ask for is a yes or no answer:

Question:

Do you acknowledge that terrorism has been conducted by Christianity upon the Middle East (and other places) on a continual basis both historically and currently, that it has been conducted in the name of God and Christianity, and that much of the "terrorism" conducted by Muslims whether in Algeria, Palestine, or wherever may be construed as counter-terrorism in response to that on-going Christian Western terrorism?

Again, all I'm looking for is a YES or NO answer.
 

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from gopher-
... from liars like yourself that it is of no concern to anybody.

NASTY-NASTY, When you can't justify your position, and can't stay on topic l have noticed you have a habit on trying to make this personal...but it amuses me...LOL

Now, little man, what did l lie about, and please use your grown up voice...
 

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Part of what you say here is true but that is not the answer I am looking for from you and the others here. I can give you a summation and all that I will ask for is a yes or no answer:

Question:

Do you acknowledge that terrorism has been conducted by Christianity upon the Middle East (and other places) on a continual basis both historically and currently, that it has been conducted in the name of God and Christianity, and that much of the "terrorism" conducted by Muslims whether in Algeria, Palestine, or wherever may be construed as counter-terrorism in response to that on-going Christian Western terrorism?

Again, all I'm looking for is a YES or NO answer.
Gopher, stop acting like a lawyer/politician.

You know full well that that question cannot be answered with one word, it requires context of evidence as to its basis. You intellect is not as shallow as the question and rules of how to answer it would indicate(Not a back handed compliment either).

I already answered the question. NO

The acts of Western Nations in forcing Western values and Governance, on nations around the world, has had less to do with Christianity, then I had to do with the fall of the Berlin wall. It was and is, an act of agression in accordance with the new theology and its new god and son, Money and Power. Not the Judao Christian God and his son Jesus.

The muslims, see it similarly to you. Western "Crusades", and have lashed out with what the American analylists call "Blowback". Their actions, are motivated by their precieved enslavement and impovrishment by the Western Imperialist Governments. The Imam and Leaders have chosen to envoke a Jihad, and use religion as a driving force, but in no way shape or form is it justifiably so. Religion is an excellent tool, and even more fierce as a weapon. I do not truly believe, that any ME authority truly believes what they are spitting out. I think they are smarter then that, as are you. They know what to use to wind up the unwashed masses, as it were, and are willing to use them as pawns in a bank rolled game of chess. With a new world order as the stakes.
 

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Question:

Do you acknowledge that terrorism has been conducted by Christianity upon the Middle East (and other places) on a continual basis both historically and currently, that it has been conducted in the name of God and Christianity, and that much of the "terrorism" conducted by Muslims whether in Algeria, Palestine, or wherever may be construed as counter-terrorism in response to that on-going Christian Western terrorism?

Again, all I'm looking for is a YES or NO answer.

HEY GOPHER your falsehoods are showing,

Now l will pose you a simple question that requires a yes or no answer,

Do you acknowledge that terrorism has been conducted by Jihad Muslims upon the the entire world on a continual basis both historically and currently, that it has been conducted in the name of ALLAH and the law of ISLAM, and that much of the "terrorism" conducted by Muslims whether in the world [note the whatever is missing, since there is no ambiguity about these crimes} may be construed as counter-terrorism terrorism,in response to the fact that they are unable to brainwash people all over the globe with sympathy pleas?

a yes or a no Gopher??????
 

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naturally l am pointing to the laws of Islam that support and provides inspiration for acts of hatred to non-Muslims and have been used by visiting prophets to gain sympathy and support so that terrorism can happen here, in our peaceful and free world.

O ye who believe! Take not my enemies (Jews and Christians ) and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them your love, even though they have rejected the Truth that has come to you, and have (on the contrary) driven out the Prophet and yourselves (from your homes), (simply) because ye believe in Allah your Lord! If ye have come out to strive in My Way and to seek My Good Pleasure, (take them not as friends), holding secret converse of love (and friendship) with them: for I know full well all that ye conceal and all that ye reveal. And any of you that does this has strayed from the Straight Path. S. 60:1

Mohammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. S. 48:29

Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate. S. 9:73

Nor do thou ever pray for any of them that dies, nor stand at his grave; for they rejected Allah and His Messenger, and died in a state of perverse rebellion. S. 9:84

I truly hope having these Holy scriptures handy, helps you in forming an answer, feel free to use any one of them to justify the terrorism...
 

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Gopher wrote: Do you acknowledge that terrorism has been conducted by Christianity upon the Middle East (and other places) on a continual basis both historically and currently, that it has been conducted in the name of God and Christianity, and that much of the "terrorism" conducted by Muslims whether in Algeria, Palestine, or wherever may be construed as counter-terrorism in response to that on-going Christian Western terrorism?

NO,NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.


Christianity did commit foul deeds in the Middle East oh say 200-2000 years ago, it's History and we learned from it. Regarding what the Muslim Extremist are doing world wide cannot be blamed on Christians visa vie "Counter Terrorism" you logic is assine. Their lack of intelligence, education, and fanatisism is of their own making and blaming the West and Christians is pure poppy cock. It's sad that your logic involves using the dead as your reasons for excusing the actions of Islamic Extremist. Christians are the real victims of Extreme Islam because they are forced to sit back and hide their faith for fear that they might offend those who "Were allowed" into this Country by the Politically Correct.

Merry Christmas Gopher.
 

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Do you acknowledge that terrorism has been conducted by Christianity upon the Middle East (and other places) on a continual basis both historically and currently, that it has been conducted in the name of God and Christianity, and that much of the "terrorism" conducted by Muslims whether in Algeria, Palestine, or wherever may be construed as counter-terrorism in response to that on-going Christian Western terrorism?

Again, all I'm looking for is a YES or NO answer.

Yes. To what they perceive as terrorism, imperialism etc, regardless of it roots.
 

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CDNBear says "no".


Just remember Buddy, those Ixils belong to the same race as you do. And their killers would do the same to you in the name of the Christian God without any semblance of remorse. History could not be more clear.
 

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Sassy says "no" and regards my reasoning as "assinine".


... nasty, nasty ...



Yet, she overlooks the many current acts of Western acts of imperialism that I documented on this forum. That's very convenient but if it was her family that was under attack it's a good bet she'd have a different viewpoint.:rolleyes:
 

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3 Million Iraqis Displaced

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/IRIN/a3eca4b722faa10052fe47a33d29b706.htm


IRAQ-SYRIA: Three million uprooted Iraqis face "bleak future", UNHCR says
22 Oct 2006 13:29:49 GMT
Source: IRIN

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DAMASCUS, 22 October (IRIN) - More than three million Iraqis who have been forced to flee their homes to other areas of Iraq and to neighbouring countries are facing what the United Nations' refugee agency (UNHCR) describes as a "very bleak future" after the agency's budget for offices across the region was halved for the coming year. Andrew Harper, coordinator for the Iraq unit at UNHCR in Geneva, told IRIN that funds for the agency's Iraq programme have been drastically reduced for 2007 because of donors scaling back their contributions. As Iraq makes up a significant proportion of UNHCR's work in the Middle East, Lolles said this cut in funds for Iraq roughly halves a region-wide budget that is already "totally insufficient to provide tangible results". "Iraq has seen the largest and most recent displacement of any UNHCR project in the world, yet even as more Iraqis are displaced and as their needs increase, the funds to help them are decreasing," said Harper. "This growing humanitarian crisis has simply gone under the radar screen of most donors."Harper added that this reduction of funds had led to the suspension of a number of priority UNHCR projects. These include work to identify and aid the most vulnerable Iraqi refugees, including single mothers, the sick and the elderly. UNHCR estimates that more than 1.5 million Iraqis are internally displaced in Iraq, including some 800,000 who fled their homes prior to 2003 and 750,000 who have fled since. A further 1.6 million Iraqis are refugees in neighbouring countries, the majority in Syria and Jordan.Donations to UNHCR's Iraq programme from the United States, European Union nations, Japan and Australia have been in free fall since the start of the US-led occupation of Iraq, despite the ever-increasing numbers of refugees fleeing the deadly violence there. From a high of US $150 million in 2003, the UNHCR budget for its Iraq programme fell to just $29 million in 2006. One quarter of that budget is allocated to meeting the needs of Iraqi refugees in neighbouring countries Syria, Jordan, Turkey and Lebanon. Syria hosts the largest Iraqi refugee community in the region. Before the fall of former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein's government in April 2003, the number of Iraqis living in Syria was estimated to be 100,000. Local NGOs estimate the current Iraqi community in Syria to be 800,000. A report released in May by UNHCR, the UN's children's agency (UNICEF) and the World Food Programme concluded that an some 450,000 Iraqis in Syria "are facing aggravated difficulties" related to their "ambiguous legal status and unsustainable income". The population of Syria is nearly 19 million. On 20 October, Ron Redmond, UNHCR chief spokesman, said some 40,000 Iraqis are now arriving in Syria each month.Among Iraqi refugees living in the capital, Damascus, there is a sense of desperation that a vital lifeline looks set to be cut. "We do not have jobs because there are thousands of Iraqis in Syria and without this help we are going to have to beg for money in the streets," said Haj Jamal, a 62-year-old Iraqi refugee living in Damascus."I urge in the name of all Iraqi refugees in Syria that the United Nations looks after this situation and remembers that without this support, thousands of newly poor people will be walking the streets of Syria next year," he added.Laurens Jolles, UNHCR acting representative in Damascus, told IRIN that his office had requested a 2006 budget of $1.3 million but received only $700,000. This means its budget for 2006 amounted to less than one dollar a year to spend on each Iraqi refugee in Syria, without taking into account the refugee agency's operating costs and its expenditure on non-Iraqi refugees. The majority of Iraqi refugees in Syria live in the suburbs of Damascus, in deteriorating socio-economic conditions. They have access to public schools and health care but have to travel out of the country every six months to renew their visas and cannot hold work permits, resulting in high unemployment. "When Iraqis first came here they brought resources and many were not in need of assistance. Two years on, that situation has changed and many refugees are no longer able to look after themselves," said Jolles. "The situation in Iraq is getting worse and there is no prospect of return. Without providing sufficient resources to help the host governments contain the refugee population there will be a secondary displacement of refugees to Europe. The time to do something is now."UNHCR is now calling on donor countries to extend their funding of the Iraq programme to a budget of around $25m for 2007.





Gee! One would have thought that life under Christian occupation is preferable to life under Islamic rule. Well, that's what some say here. Strange how 1.6 million prefer to live in what are strictly Muslim lands. What would have they done if Christian Bush hadn't been inspired to invade Iraq as per the instruction he was given by God?
 

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Gee! One would have thought that life under Christian occupation is preferable to life under Islamic rule. Well, that's what some say here. Strange how 1.6 million prefer to live in what are strictly Muslim lands. What would have they done if Christian Bush hadn't been inspired to invade Iraq as per the instruction he was given by God?

Are you for real?

Are you basing your whole platform on propoganda fromAl-Jazeera, and a stupid refference to a Crusade by your dear leader? If so, you are sadly in some sort of delusion.

Prove to me the American Army is a "Christian" Army.

Be very careful here, I'm sure I can find the stats on the very deverse ethnic and religious mix in both the Canadian and American Armed Forces.
 

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Are you for real?

Are you basing your whole platform on propoganda fromAl-Jazeera, and a stupid refference to a Crusade by your dear leader? If so, you are sadly in some sort of delusion.

Prove to me the American Army is a "Christian" Army.

Be very careful here, I'm sure I can find the stats on the very deverse ethnic and religious mix in both the Canadian and American Armed Forces.

No kidding. Lets also ignore the simple fact that the violence being fled is that of Muslims killing Muslims. Innocent Iraqi's are being slaughtered by Muslims for daring to hope for a life after the invasion. I won't even start on the plight of Christian Iraqi's.
 

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CDNBear says "no".


Just remember Buddy, those Ixils belong to the same race as you do. And their killers would do the same to you in the name of the Christian God without any semblance of remorse. History could not be more clear.

You could not be more wrong, vague, obtuse, biased, etc. etc.