The next american president
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PRINCETON, NJ -- It's official: Barack Obama has received no bounce in voter support out of his selection of Sen. Joe Biden to be his vice presidential running mate.
Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Aug. 23-25, the first three-day period falling entirely after Obama's Saturday morning vice presidential announcement, shows 46% of national registered voters backing John McCain and 44% supporting Obama, not appreciably different from the previous week's standing for both candidates. This is the first time since Obama clinched the nomination in early June, though, that McCain has held any kind of advantage over Obama in Gallup Poll Daily tracking.
Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Aug. 23-25, the first three-day period falling entirely after Obama's Saturday morning vice presidential announcement, shows 46% of national registered voters backing John McCain and 44% supporting Obama, not appreciably different from the previous week's standing for both candidates. This is the first time since Obama clinched the nomination in early June, though, that McCain has held any kind of advantage over Obama in Gallup Poll Daily tracking.
Marilyn Manson, President
Pee Wee Herman -- Chief of Staff (the only other man who shot a fellow in the back of the head in a theatre other than James Wilkes Boothe)
Alice Cooper, Secretary of State
Rupaul, Department of Interior
And 1000 pygmies to operate the White House.
This is what I call a good start.
Pee Wee Herman -- Chief of Staff (the only other man who shot a fellow in the back of the head in a theatre other than James Wilkes Boothe)
Alice Cooper, Secretary of State
Rupaul, Department of Interior
And 1000 pygmies to operate the White House.
This is what I call a good start.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!
BTW, Alice Cooper is far too principled and intelligent a man to become involved in party politics.
And I'm not kidding.
Oddly enough.
Actually, Colpy, I know you're not kidding.
Both Marilyn Manson and Alice Cooper share the same characteristics when not wearing the public persona.
Believe it or not, Bill O'Reilly, on Fox, has interviewed both of them.
His vocab word for the night after having those 2 speak:
ERUDITE.
I think Spike Lee ought to reconsider his ban on Fox.
Both Marilyn Manson and Alice Cooper share the same characteristics when not wearing the public persona.
Believe it or not, Bill O'Reilly, on Fox, has interviewed both of them.
His vocab word for the night after having those 2 speak:
ERUDITE.
I think Spike Lee ought to reconsider his ban on Fox.
I expect John McCain will win. This despite the fact that George Bush is the most distrusted and unpopular President in the history of polling, that the U.S. is fed up with the Iraq and Afghanistan war, that the economy is in the dumpster, and that McCain promises absolutely nothing but more of the same.. Free Trade, dismemberment of industrial America, polarization of wealth and regressive taxation and a ratcheting up of America's war posture. It seems like a perfect storm for the Republicans from a electorate desperate for a change in direction.
I think Obama remains too much of an unknown quantity. He is not unlike John Kennedy, being Catholic and out of the conventional mould of President. The difference was Kennedy was elected in a time unbridled optimism, in the midst of the greatest, equitably distributed economic expansion in history, before the culture wars fragemented the old party loyalties.
For Obama to win he would have to overcome an battered and exhausted electorate living in a declining society, ridden with fear, at war, and in a failing economy that is not rebounding.. but bouncing like ball on a downward slope, losing energy everytime it hits ground. I just haven't seen a level of persuasiveness in him that will do that. He seems like a decent, intelligent, well intentioned man.. where America looks for an old fashioned Puritan preacher in these instances, to restore its confidence in its messianic mission in the world.
The natural inclination for people under threat is to stay with the devil you know, rather than trust the devil you don't.
I think Obama remains too much of an unknown quantity. He is not unlike John Kennedy, being Catholic and out of the conventional mould of President. The difference was Kennedy was elected in a time unbridled optimism, in the midst of the greatest, equitably distributed economic expansion in history, before the culture wars fragemented the old party loyalties.
For Obama to win he would have to overcome an battered and exhausted electorate living in a declining society, ridden with fear, at war, and in a failing economy that is not rebounding.. but bouncing like ball on a downward slope, losing energy everytime it hits ground. I just haven't seen a level of persuasiveness in him that will do that. He seems like a decent, intelligent, well intentioned man.. where America looks for an old fashioned Puritan preacher in these instances, to restore its confidence in its messianic mission in the world.
The natural inclination for people under threat is to stay with the devil you know, rather than trust the devil you don't.
United States
GDP
Updated:8/28/2008 8:46 AMActual:3.28%Analyst:Aaron Smith in West Chester
First Take
The GDP growth rate in the second quarter was revised upward to 3.3% from 1.9%, exceeding expectations. In the first quarter, real GDP increased 0.9%. The big upward revisions to the headline number was accompanied by a large revision to the components: Final sales (GDP less inventories) are now reported to have increased at a 4.8% annual rate, the fastest rate in more than two years.
United States
GDP
Updated:8/28/2008 8:46 AMActual:3.28%Analyst:Aaron Smith in West Chester
First Take
The GDP growth rate in the second quarter was revised upward to 3.3% from 1.9%, exceeding expectations. In the first quarter, real GDP increased 0.9%. The big upward revisions to the headline number was accompanied by a large revision to the components: Final sales (GDP less inventories) are now reported to have increased at a 4.8% annual rate, the fastest rate in more than two years.
"With economies abroad slowing and the one-time impact of tax rebates dissipating, we expect annualized economic growth to recede to near 1.0 percent in the third quarter and to maintain this pace into early-2009 before gradually improving," said Peter Kretzmer, an economist at Bank of America.
Aaron Smith at Economy.com also said the strong figure is misleading.
"The better-than-expected outcome overall does not change our view that the economy is weakening, with the beneficial effects of rebate checks and foreign demand fading fast," Smith said.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h9CpV-vlkLmyrKF3YEXGXACumr2Q
Interesting to see old Walt leaves out, which is why he never links anything.:roll::lol::roll:
Aaron Smith at Economy.com also said the strong figure is misleading.
"The better-than-expected outcome overall does not change our view that the economy is weakening, with the beneficial effects of rebate checks and foreign demand fading fast," Smith said.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h9CpV-vlkLmyrKF3YEXGXACumr2Q
Interesting to see old Walt leaves out, which is why he never links anything.:roll::lol::roll:
I would agree that the US economy is headed for a shock........you just can't keep on spending like a madman, spiraling ever deeper into debt......
Now, who do you trust to fix it?
Now, who do you trust to fix it?
Not another Republican, the only prez in the last 28 years to preside over a surplus is Clinton, Even Greenspan the Libertarian thought Clinton was more fiscally prudent than Bush Jr, Bush Sr and Reagan.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14465152
In fact cons love Republicans for doing what they think they hate about Libs. Republicans aren't even conservative anymore, they love big government high debt and big spending with a new affinity for snooping into peoples lives. Cons are so mesmerized by the brand they are blind to what they are really supporting and these last 8 years have been amusing at best.
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The American economy is in desperate shape. It is on the verge of a Great Depression, that will be deeper than that of the 30's. It will be of unkown depth and duration. At the core of that is the dismantling of American industry, brought on by Free Trade, monetarism (free trade in currency and credit), and all other aspects of the Neoliberal agenda, with has removed government from its fiduciary role in supervising markets and guaranteeing the stability of its currency, & full and fair employment.
We in Canada are in AT LEAST as bad a shape. The GDP figures are trotted out show nothing of the vast polarization of wealth that is occuring in the American economy. Of an increasing class of 'under and unemployables'. It does not measure the integrity of the economy, which has become increasingly occupied by retail and service sectors, selling products made elsewhere. It does not measure the run up in financial derivatives, all kinds of 'near' money in promissary notes or the gargantuan deficit in balance of trade.. which the decline of the U.S. dollar is attempting, but will be unable, to compensate for. But all these figments of a real economy, are shown in the GDP
The situation is BLEAK. It has and will face continued 'shocks'.. the mortgage crisis being one of many.. and it cannot be addressed until the funamental tenets of NeoLiberalism (we call it neoconservatism, but it is really a reformation of classic 19th Cent. British laissez-faire Liberalism) is overturned. Neither party in the U.S. has proposed this. Both are on board with the 'New Economy' and 'Free Trade'. Which leads one to believe it will take an utter collapse of the Western economies, which we are headed for, to make people come to their senses... and to drive the insatiable, greed infested lobbyists and special interests out of Washington. They are the ones who are running the show.
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There are two significant signs, one official, one anecdotal that are a true measure of the health of the U.S. economy.
The first is that incomes declined in the last quarter, in spite of all the glowing reports of GDP expansion. Where is all this supposed wealth going? In fact incomes in real terms have been stagnant since the 1970s in the U.S., and have now started an inexorable decline in purchasing power. Consumer credit has ballooned to compensate, but this obviously will create another imminent credit and banking crisis, as consumers as a whole will not be able to meet their obligations.
The anecdotal example is that of New Orleans after Katrina. No one could think that this devastation of a major American city would not have been met with an enormous public works response in the 1950's or 60's. The tepid response it did receive, which sees the the city hobbling along 3 years later, its residents scattered and many still living in trailers, at half its former size, is a direct result of the bankruptcy of American government. The original disaster was created by the crumbling infrastructure of America, which is receiving far less in investment than is needed even to maintain the status quo.
The two milestone events that signalled the end of American economic sovereignty and vitality occurred first in the 1970's when Republican Richard Nixon dismantled the Bretton Woods agreement, throwing its and the world's currencies to the 'mercy' of an international casino, run by speculators and hedge funds. The other was the implementation of NAFTA by Democrat Bill Clinton, which hopelessly compromised America's industrial integrity, betraying his own constituency. In fact the latter, was simply one event of a series of tariff dismantling agreements stretching back decades, under the aegis of GATT and the WTO.
America and the world is now run by faceless speculators and bureaucrats at the WTO, IMF and World Bank. All committed Free Trade zealots, who will use any measure of austerity and duress to induce small nations to capitulate the world investment and trading and organism.
It is corrupt, it is intolerably cruel, and it is coming home to roost in the First World.
The most pressing concern of world financial system stability has been the proliferation of exotic trading derivatives. Really gambling instruments for currencies that now account for many times the world's productive capacity to meet their nominal value. We have seen apparently healthy leveraged hedge funds disappear overnight on a misplaced bet.. Bear Stearns being the latest. The entire system is without integrity and will ultimately collapse, swept away, with devastating effects.
That is what the next President will have to deal with, a rising flood pushing at a decrepit tariff, monetary and regulatory levees systems, and frankly neither McCain or Obama have an inkling that there is even a problem.
The first is that incomes declined in the last quarter, in spite of all the glowing reports of GDP expansion. Where is all this supposed wealth going? In fact incomes in real terms have been stagnant since the 1970s in the U.S., and have now started an inexorable decline in purchasing power. Consumer credit has ballooned to compensate, but this obviously will create another imminent credit and banking crisis, as consumers as a whole will not be able to meet their obligations.
The anecdotal example is that of New Orleans after Katrina. No one could think that this devastation of a major American city would not have been met with an enormous public works response in the 1950's or 60's. The tepid response it did receive, which sees the the city hobbling along 3 years later, its residents scattered and many still living in trailers, at half its former size, is a direct result of the bankruptcy of American government. The original disaster was created by the crumbling infrastructure of America, which is receiving far less in investment than is needed even to maintain the status quo.
The two milestone events that signalled the end of American economic sovereignty and vitality occurred first in the 1970's when Republican Richard Nixon dismantled the Bretton Woods agreement, throwing its and the world's currencies to the 'mercy' of an international casino, run by speculators and hedge funds. The other was the implementation of NAFTA by Democrat Bill Clinton, which hopelessly compromised America's industrial integrity, betraying his own constituency. In fact the latter, was simply one event of a series of tariff dismantling agreements stretching back decades, under the aegis of GATT and the WTO.
America and the world is now run by faceless speculators and bureaucrats at the WTO, IMF and World Bank. All committed Free Trade zealots, who will use any measure of austerity and duress to induce small nations to capitulate the world investment and trading and organism.
It is corrupt, it is intolerably cruel, and it is coming home to roost in the First World.
The most pressing concern of world financial system stability has been the proliferation of exotic trading derivatives. Really gambling instruments for currencies that now account for many times the world's productive capacity to meet their nominal value. We have seen apparently healthy leveraged hedge funds disappear overnight on a misplaced bet.. Bear Stearns being the latest. The entire system is without integrity and will ultimately collapse, swept away, with devastating effects.
That is what the next President will have to deal with, a rising flood pushing at a decrepit tariff, monetary and regulatory levees systems, and frankly neither McCain or Obama have an inkling that there is even a problem.
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Oh sure, all of the very very wealthy will never vote for Obama, they might have to pay
their fair share of taxes to support their 'own' country, now that wouldn't do would it.:angry3:
their fair share of taxes to support their 'own' country, now that wouldn't do would it.:angry3:
He's the type who will say 'absolutely' anything to make his own case, and his mouth doesn't
stop, I'm sure he has an 'off and on switch in his back', that someone turns on, just before he walks onto the stage.