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I managed to read the above post, but I haven’t had time to watch any of the videos and such. That might be a weekend morning thing…anyway:
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The recent recognitions by some Western nations of a Palestinian state will not "bind Israel in any way," Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Wednesday.

"A Palestinian state will not arise," the prime minister's office posted on X.

Dozens of world leaders gathered at the United Nations on Monday to embrace a Palestinian state, a landmark diplomatic shift nearly two years into the Gaza war that faces fierce resistance from Israel and its close ally the United States.
British Prime Minister Keir Starmer stated that the discontinuation of the Palestinian Authority’s “pay for slay” policy was a prerequisite to fully establishing diplomatic relations with a Palestinian state, according to a report from the Telegraph on Monday.

The “pay for slay” policy refers to a program in which the PA provides financial stipends to the families of Palestinians who committed violent crimes against Israelis.
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According to a United Nations document from the 2022 Human Rights Council meeting, the “pay to slay” policy does not offer stipends for non-violent crimes, such as theft.🙄

The families of terrorists who are killed receive approximately $870 a month. The families of terrorists in prison for their violent crimes receive up to approximately $2,615 a month, the Telegraph reported.
Transjordan took control of East Jerusalem and what became known as the West Bank, annexing it the following year.🤔
View attachment 31256(YouTube & Jordan King Abdullah II’s Strong Call for Peace at UN Two-State Summit)
Its 2025

Netanyahu's days are numbered. Pay per slay? Who is being slain? Is that like Price Tagging?
 
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So... Does Canada replace Russia in OPEC+ and up trade with BRICS? What's our role in the France led Saudi alliance? Arms? AI? Food?
 

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So... Does Canada replace Russia in OPEC+ and up trade with BRICS? What's our role in the France led Saudi alliance? Arms? AI? Food?
No idea, but we’re still physically connected to exactly one country, & we are nation against building pipelines to anywhere. Good times. Do you think the US would pay us in whatever currency BRICS decides upon eventually?
 

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No idea, but we’re still physically connected to exactly one country, & we are nation against building pipelines to anywhere. Good times. Do you think the US would pay us in whatever currency BRICS decides upon eventually?
Are you aware of Russian oil being cut off?

We'll put in more pipe. We have SE Asia and Japan to supply now. Soon India. The last pipe freed up a fuck tonne of rail tankers.

We need a second terminal just for rail oil to ramp things up fast. Liberals are going full fascist which at its core is mobilization labour. Eco-fascism fell apart so now its tits in the wind baby!

Have you heard anyone complain about Carney's Council of Foreign Relations speech?

 

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We'll put in more pipe. We have SE Asia and Japan to supply now. Soon India. The last pipe freed up a fuck tonne of rail tankers.
Let’s see….For the last 10 years, we’ve had a liberal government, but now we have a what, Liberal-ish (that makes noise like Conservative-lite) government? In Carney’s big ticket nation building economy stimulating projects that he’s announced, name the pipeline that he says will get built? If at all, it won’t cross BC or Quebec so, yeah, maybe eventually we’ll build one to the states for a change, & have the next US president coming in cancel it before it’s built?
 

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Let’s see….For the last 10 years, we’ve had a liberal government, but now we have a what, Liberal-ish (that makes noise like Conservative-lite) government? In Carney’s big ticket nation building economy stimulating projects that he’s announced, name the pipeline that he says will get built? If at all, it won’t cross BC or Quebec so, yeah, maybe eventually we’ll build one to the states for a change, & have the next US president coming in cancel it before it’s built?
NWT and Nunavut

Grey's Bay, Churchill etc.

The Arab League has plenty of cash to chuck around for a new OPEC+ Member that backed and guaranteed a Palestine.

Stopping genocide has its rewards and mutual prosperity.

BTW hydrocarbons without the carbons is the future. Same pipes as NG.

Saskatchewan is developing "hydrogen from ground" (natural hydrogen) projects, such as Max Power Mining's Rider Natural Hydrogen Project and Proton Technologies' innovative approach, which extracts existing hydrogen from underground reservoirs or utilizes it within hydrocarbon fields to create clean energy.

The Regina-Moose Jaw Industrial Corridor (RMJIC) is also a potential hydrogen hub, building on existing infrastructure like a hydrogen refinery and explored for its potential to support an industrial hydrogen supply chain with low-emission hydrogen.

Natural Hydrogen Potential
Max Power Mining: This company has obtained permits for the Rider Natural Hydrogen Project, a large area where natural hydrogen has been detected during oil and gas drilling, with some sites showing very high concentrations.

Geological Context: The Torquay-Rocanville Corridor, where the project is located, was identified by Max Power Mining as a potential source of natural hydrogen.

Regina-Moose Jaw Industrial Corridor (RMJIC): A feasibility study suggests the RMJIC could become a hub for low-cost, low-emission hydrogen production and export, supported by existing infrastructure and CO2 storage.

Hydrogen Extraction from Hydrocarbon Reservoirs

Proton Technologies: This company pilots a unique process to extract hydrogen from existing hydrocarbon reservoirs, allowing for carbon dioxide to remain trapped underground.

Hygenic Earth Energy (HEE): Proton Technologies' process, sometimes referred to as HEE, offers the potential to repurpose abandoned oil wells and infrastructure to create a new energy source.

Key Infrastructure and Potential Applications
Hydrogen Hubs: The concept of a hydrogen hub in the RMJIC is being explored by organizations like the Transition Accelerator.

Applications: The hydrogen produced can be used for decarbonizing industrial heat by blending into the gas grid, as an industrial feedstock, or for other applications like clean transportation.
 
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Cool, once it becomes in interjurisdictional, be that province to province or country to country or province to territory, where do the Feds fit in?
They go back where they belong. In the international sales office getting coffee for the real people who run the country.
 

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Ok, I’ve just made it through this 20 minute video from post number two.
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Read the entire document linked. Its a UUUGE step away from the US. Saudis and French went to town on this one.
Yeah, probably eventually but not tonight, or is it this morning?
This ends Hamas. The only "river to the sea" is Israel and the terrorist Likud and psycho JKK friends.

Keep trying.
Oh yeah. OK. Does Hamas agree with this? Are they willing to play along?
(YouTube & Hamas Leader Visibly Angry When CNN Host Goes Off Script To Show This)
So if they got what they wanted, then they’ve already released the remaining holocaustages, laid down their arms, disbanded, etc…(?)…to end this and let Gaza/Palestine move forward then?
Ok, just made it through the 17 minute long video in post#16. Where was this guy & his commitments two years ago? Hmmm…
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Its 2025

Netanyahu's days are numbered. Pay per slay? Who is being slain? Is that like Price Tagging?
Apparently not. I’ve just had a chance to read through this link top to bottom, and there are some fundamental differences compared to that P.A. pay for slay, etc…from your link:

The "price tag" concept and violence have been publicly rejected by Israeli officials, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who have demanded that those responsible be brought to justice.
 

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Ha
Ok, I’ve just made it through this 20 minute video from post number two.
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Yeah, probably eventually but not tonight, or is it this morning?

Oh yeah. OK. Does Hamas agree with this? Are they willing to play along?
(YouTube & Hamas Leader Visibly Angry When CNN Host Goes Off Script To Show This)


Ok, just made it through the 17 minute long video in post#16. Where was this guy & his commitments two years ago? Hmmm…
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Apparently not. I’ve just had a chance to read through this link top to bottom, and there are some fundamental differences compared to that P.A. pay for slay, etc…from your link:

The "price tag" concept and violence have been publicly rejected by Israeli officials, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who have demanded that those responsible be brought to justice.
Have you not been paying attention? You're two years behind. What makes you think Hamas is the problem in this ending?
 

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Ha

Have you not been paying attention? You're two years behind. What makes you think Hamas is the problem in this ending?
Well, who’s the negotiations supposedly between for this cease-fire in Gaza again? Israel and….Botswana? Israel and Iceland?
…this ending?
Ending what again?
You're two years behind.
I thought we couldn’t talk about stuff that far back? It’s an ancient history. Almost biblical times.😉. What happened way back almost two years ago that you’re referring to? Happy Saturday morning!!
 

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Well, who’s the negotiations supposedly between for this cease-fire in Gaza again? Israel and….Botswana? Israel and Iceland?

Ending what again?

I thought we couldn’t talk about stuff that far back? It’s an ancient history. Almost biblical times.😉. What happened way back almost two years ago that you’re referring to? Happy Saturday morning!!
Have you paid attention at all? Happy Saturday. Its chilly.


Luckily we have a way to get to reality in a heartbeat.
 
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Have you paid attention at all? Happy Saturday. Its chilly.
After being awake for almost 5 hours, I just decided recently to put on a pair of wool socks. That’s not a good sign.
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I’m waiting for it to warm up so I can put a starter in my truck. With the engine that is shoehorned in there, and the placement of the motor mounts, I can’t even see the starter from either the top or bottom of the motor, so this will all be done by braille. From underneath the truck with my head back around by the transmission, I could see one bolt that holds the starter in place.

I’m trying to decide which is the lesser of two evils in order to perform this operation. I have a choice of either disassembling the steering linkage to try and pull a starter out from the top to replace it, or disconnecting transmission lines and draining the transmission to try and put it in from the bottom and back. Good times.
 

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After being awake for almost 5 hours, I just decided recently to put on a pair of wool socks. That’s not a good sign.
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I’m waiting for it to warm up so I can put a starter in my truck. With the engine that is shoehorned in there, and the placement of the motor mounts, I can’t even see the starter from either the top or bottom of the motor, so this will all be done by braille. From underneath the truck with my head back around by the transmission, I could see one bolt that holds the starter in place.

I’m trying to decide which is the lesser of two evils in order to perform this operation. I have a choice of either disassembling the steering linkage to try and pull a starter out from the top to replace it, or disconnecting transmission lines and draining the transmission to try and put it in from the bottom and back. Good times.
I'd rather give Qi the mechanic down the street $180 for the two hours it casually takes him while telling me how his long tail canal boat is coming along. Big thing in Asia apparently.
 
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Does Hamas agree with this? Are they willing to play along?
Have you not been paying attention? You're two years behind. What makes you think Hamas is the problem in this ending?
Well, who’s the negotiations supposedly between for this cease-fire in Gaza again?
Here we are again, days later (day 724 or something like that) with Trump’s 20 point plan that many of the Arab nations surrounding this current goat rodeo are backing. NebiYahoo has given his stamp on behalf of Israel, and they’re waiting on….some other side (cough-Hamas) that they are negotiating with to accept or not accept.
(YouTube & Can Trump’s Gaza Peace Plan Really Work?)

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump on Monday unveiled a comprehensive peace proposal to end the war in Gaza, nearly two years after Hamas' Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel.

Gaza will be a deradicalized terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbors.

Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza, who have suffered more than enough.

If both sides agree to this proposal, the war will immediately end. Israeli forces will withdraw to the agreed upon line to prepare for a hostage release. During this time, all military operations, including aerial and artillery bombardment, will be suspended, and battle lines will remain frozen until conditions are met for the complete staged withdrawal.

Within 72 hours of Israel publicly accepting this agreement (which has already happened in Washington yesterday), all Israeli hostages, alive and deceased, will be returned.

Once all Israeli hostages have been released, then Israel will release 250 life sentence prisoners plus 1700 Gazans who were detained after October 7th 2023, including all women and children detained in that context. For every Israeli hostage whose remains are released, Israel will release the remains of 15 deceased Gazans.

Once all Israeli hostages have been returned, then Hamas members who commit to peaceful co-existence and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries.

Upon acceptance of this agreement, then full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip. At a minimum, aid quantities will be consistent with what was included in the January 19, 2025, agreement regarding humanitarian aid, including rehabilitation of infrastructure (water, electricity, sewage), rehabilitation of hospitals and bakeries, and entry of necessary equipment to remove rubble and open roads.

Entry of distribution and aid in the Gaza Strip will proceed without interference from the two parties through the United Nations and its agencies, and the Red Crescent, in addition to other international institutions not associated in any manner with either party. Opening the Rafah crossing in both directions will be subject to the same mechanism implemented under the January 19, 2025 agreement.

Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee, responsible for delivering the day-to-day running of public services and municipalities for the people in Gaza. This committee will be made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts, with oversight and supervision by a new international transitional body, the “Board of Peace,” which will be headed and chaired by President Donald J. Trump, with other members and heads of State to be announced, including Former Prime Minister Tony Blair. This body will set the framework and handle the funding for the redevelopment of Gaza until such time as the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform program, as outlined in various proposals, including President Trump’s peace plan in 2020 and the Saudi-French proposal, and can securely and effectively take back control of Gaza. This body will call on best international standards to create modern and efficient governance that serves the people of Gaza and is conducive to attracting investment.

A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energize Gaza will be created by convening a panel of experts who have helped birth some of the thriving modern miracle cities in the Middle East. Many thoughtful investment proposals and exciting development ideas have been crafted by well-meaning international groups, and will be considered to synthesize the security and governance frameworks to attract and facilitate these investments that will create jobs, opportunity, and hope for future Gaza.

A special economic zone will be established with preferred tariff and access rates to be negotiated with participating countries.

No one will be forced to leave Gaza, and those who wish to leave will be free to do so and free to return. We will encourage people to stay and offer them the opportunity to build a better Gaza.

Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. All military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt. There will be a process of demilitarization of Gaza under the supervision of independent monitors, which will include placing weapons permanently beyond use through an agreed process of decommissioning, and supported by an internationally funded buy back and reintegration program all verified by the independent monitors. New Gaza will be fully committed to building a prosperous economy and to peaceful coexistence with their neighbors.

A guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure that Hamas, and the factions, comply with their obligations and that New Gaza poses no threat to its neighbors or its people.

The United States will work with Arab and international partners to develop a temporary International Stabilization Force (ISF) to immediately deploy in Gaza. The ISF will train and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza, and will consult with Jordan and Egypt who have extensive experience in this field. This force will be the long-term internal security solution. The ISF will work with Israel and Egypt to help secure border areas, along with newly trained Palestinian police forces. It is critical to prevent munitions from entering Gaza and to facilitate the rapid and secure flow of goods to rebuild and revitalize Gaza. A deconfliction mechanism will be agreed upon by the parties.

Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza. As the ISF establishes control and stability, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will withdraw based on standards, milestones, and timeframes linked to demilitarization that will be agreed upon between the IDF, ISF, the guarantors, and the Unites States, with the objective of a secure Gaza that no longer poses a threat to Israel, Egypt, or its citizens. Practically, the IDF will progressively hand over the Gaza territory it occupies to the ISF according to an agreement they will make with the transitional authority until they are withdrawn completely from Gaza, save for a security perimeter presence that will remain until Gaza is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat.

In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled-up aid operation, will proceed in the terror-free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF.

An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful co-existence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasizing the benefits that can be derived from peace.

While Gaza re-development advances and when the PA reform program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognize as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.

The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous co-existence.

What will Hamas say? Yes (?) or it changes 15 out of the 20 points, agrees with itself, and then blames Israel for not agreeing with something completely different than what is proposed right now? The standard reaction that has been going on for almost 2 years now?

If Hamas doesn’t agree, then…?
 

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Here we are again, days later (day 724 or something like that) with Trump’s 20 point plan that many of the Arab nations surrounding this current goat rodeo are backing. NebiYahoo has given his stamp on behalf of Israel, and they’re waiting on….some other side (cough-Hamas) that they are negotiating with to accept or not accept.
(YouTube & Can Trump’s Gaza Peace Plan Really Work?)

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump on Monday unveiled a comprehensive peace proposal to end the war in Gaza, nearly two years after Hamas' Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel.

Gaza will be a deradicalized terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbors.

Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza, who have suffered more than enough.

If both sides agree to this proposal, the war will immediately end. Israeli forces will withdraw to the agreed upon line to prepare for a hostage release. During this time, all military operations, including aerial and artillery bombardment, will be suspended, and battle lines will remain frozen until conditions are met for the complete staged withdrawal.

Within 72 hours of Israel publicly accepting this agreement (which has already happened in Washington yesterday), all Israeli hostages, alive and deceased, will be returned.

Once all Israeli hostages have been released, then Israel will release 250 life sentence prisoners plus 1700 Gazans who were detained after October 7th 2023, including all women and children detained in that context. For every Israeli hostage whose remains are released, Israel will release the remains of 15 deceased Gazans.

Once all Israeli hostages have been returned, then Hamas members who commit to peaceful co-existence and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries.

Upon acceptance of this agreement, then full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip. At a minimum, aid quantities will be consistent with what was included in the January 19, 2025, agreement regarding humanitarian aid, including rehabilitation of infrastructure (water, electricity, sewage), rehabilitation of hospitals and bakeries, and entry of necessary equipment to remove rubble and open roads.

Entry of distribution and aid in the Gaza Strip will proceed without interference from the two parties through the United Nations and its agencies, and the Red Crescent, in addition to other international institutions not associated in any manner with either party. Opening the Rafah crossing in both directions will be subject to the same mechanism implemented under the January 19, 2025 agreement.

Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee, responsible for delivering the day-to-day running of public services and municipalities for the people in Gaza. This committee will be made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts, with oversight and supervision by a new international transitional body, the “Board of Peace,” which will be headed and chaired by President Donald J. Trump, with other members and heads of State to be announced, including Former Prime Minister Tony Blair. This body will set the framework and handle the funding for the redevelopment of Gaza until such time as the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform program, as outlined in various proposals, including President Trump’s peace plan in 2020 and the Saudi-French proposal, and can securely and effectively take back control of Gaza. This body will call on best international standards to create modern and efficient governance that serves the people of Gaza and is conducive to attracting investment.

A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energize Gaza will be created by convening a panel of experts who have helped birth some of the thriving modern miracle cities in the Middle East. Many thoughtful investment proposals and exciting development ideas have been crafted by well-meaning international groups, and will be considered to synthesize the security and governance frameworks to attract and facilitate these investments that will create jobs, opportunity, and hope for future Gaza.

A special economic zone will be established with preferred tariff and access rates to be negotiated with participating countries.

No one will be forced to leave Gaza, and those who wish to leave will be free to do so and free to return. We will encourage people to stay and offer them the opportunity to build a better Gaza.

Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. All military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt. There will be a process of demilitarization of Gaza under the supervision of independent monitors, which will include placing weapons permanently beyond use through an agreed process of decommissioning, and supported by an internationally funded buy back and reintegration program all verified by the independent monitors. New Gaza will be fully committed to building a prosperous economy and to peaceful coexistence with their neighbors.

A guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure that Hamas, and the factions, comply with their obligations and that New Gaza poses no threat to its neighbors or its people.

The United States will work with Arab and international partners to develop a temporary International Stabilization Force (ISF) to immediately deploy in Gaza. The ISF will train and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza, and will consult with Jordan and Egypt who have extensive experience in this field. This force will be the long-term internal security solution. The ISF will work with Israel and Egypt to help secure border areas, along with newly trained Palestinian police forces. It is critical to prevent munitions from entering Gaza and to facilitate the rapid and secure flow of goods to rebuild and revitalize Gaza. A deconfliction mechanism will be agreed upon by the parties.

Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza. As the ISF establishes control and stability, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will withdraw based on standards, milestones, and timeframes linked to demilitarization that will be agreed upon between the IDF, ISF, the guarantors, and the Unites States, with the objective of a secure Gaza that no longer poses a threat to Israel, Egypt, or its citizens. Practically, the IDF will progressively hand over the Gaza territory it occupies to the ISF according to an agreement they will make with the transitional authority until they are withdrawn completely from Gaza, save for a security perimeter presence that will remain until Gaza is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat.

In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled-up aid operation, will proceed in the terror-free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF.

An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful co-existence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasizing the benefits that can be derived from peace.

While Gaza re-development advances and when the PA reform program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognize as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.

The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous co-existence.

What will Hamas say? Yes (?) or it changes 15 out of the 20 points, agrees with itself, and then blames Israel for not agreeing with something completely different than what is proposed right now? The standard reaction that has been going on for almost 2 years now?

If Hamas doesn’t agree, then…?
Hamas will agree. They won. Why wouldn't they? They stopped Greater Israel, got their land secured.

Hamas isn't the problem. Dealing with 700,000 illegal settlers that are about to become homeless and without a State is the big problem. You're worried about Hamas?

Who is going to disarm and relocate the Jew Klux Klan? The Hilltop Terrorist gang won't go quietly.

Is Israel going to recognize the global agencies and authorities that can and will cut them off if they don't?
 

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Hamas will agree. They won. Why wouldn't they? They stopped Greater Israel, got their land secured.

Hamas isn't the problem. Dealing with 700,000 illegal settlers that are about to become homeless and without a State is the big problem. You're worried about Hamas?

Who is going to disarm and relocate the Jew Klux Klan? The Hilltop Terrorist gang won't go quietly.

Is Israel going to recognize the global agencies and authorities that can and will cut them off if they don't?
AI is fun... I fed the previous post in Grok and asked:

"How does this claim fit with the current situation between Israel, Palestine and the 21 Point plan and New York Declaration?"

Your statement articulates a perspective that frames recent developments as a strategic "win" for Hamas and Palestinian resistance, shifting focus from militant groups to Israeli settlements and international accountability.

Below, I'll break down how this view aligns (or contrasts) with the current situation and these initiatives, drawing on their specifics.

"Hamas will agree... They stopped Greater Israel, got their land secured":

This echoes reports that Hamas is actively reviewing the plan and could accept it if it halts Israeli expansion (e.g., no annexation of Gaza or West Bank areas)

The plan's anti-annexation stance directly challenges "Greater Israel" ambitions, potentially "securing" Palestinian claims to Gaza and parts of the West Bank by internationalizing the process. Pro-Palestinian voices see this as a de facto victory, as it pressures Israel to freeze settlements—a red line for Hamas

However, Hamas's agreement isn't guaranteed; it demands full Israeli withdrawal and an end to the blockade.

Settlers as the "big problem":

The plan indirectly spotlights the ~700,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank (a figure widely cited in UN reports) by linking Gaza stability to broader two-state talks, which would require settlement evacuation or swaps.

Your framing—that settlers (derogatorily called "Jew Klux Klan" or "Hilltop Terrorist gang," referencing violent settler groups like those in the Hilltop Youth) are the real obstacle—aligns with critics who argue disarmament/relocation of armed settlers (often state-subsidized) is more daunting than neutralizing Hamas.

The plan envisions PA-led governance extending influence, but it lacks specifics on enforcement, leaving "relocation" to future negotiations—potentially explosive, as past Gaza disengagements (2005) led to settler backlash.

Global agencies "cutting off" Israel:

The plan invokes U.S.-led international involvement (e.g., UN, Arab states for security), implying sanctions or aid cuts if Israel balks. Israel has already condemned the statehood pathway as "imposed," signaling defiance.

This fits your skepticism:

Without recognizing bodies like the UN or ICC (which issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu in 2024), Israel risks isolation, as seen in recent UN votes.

World reactions are mixed: Arab leaders and the EU signal support, but Israeli hardliners decry it as a "surrender."

Polls show dim prospects—only 21-23% of Israelis and Palestinians believe lasting peace is possible.
 
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Nut n' Yahoo is an idiot. Give up the Gaza strip to whoever's dumb enough to take it, and the next time Ham-ass or whoever attacks Israel, it's a clear-cut casus belli, pretty much inarguable. Then you romp n' stomp until you get unconditional surrender.
 

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Nut n' Yahoo is an idiot. Give up the Gaza strip to whoever's dumb enough to take it, and the next time Ham-ass or whoever attacks Israel, it's a clear-cut casus belli, pretty much inarguable. Then you romp n' stomp until you get unconditional surrender.
There will be an election called in Israel promptly. It will have to be a monitored election. Technically settler votes don't count.

Then there are the charges.