The New Paganism and the Culture of Death

[mapleleafgirl]

Not a personal matter at all! I do have two children, two girls, one 14 and one 11, who live with me. Wife, well she left sometime ago, too busy to bother with conventional things like parenthood.

Yes, I am A Roman Catholic priest in the Byzantine Rite. The Church has 22 Rites, or jurisdictions if you will. Each is under the Roman Pontiff and each celebrates its own liturgical and ecclessiatic traditions.

The Byzantine Rite is one of what is known as the Eastern Rites of the Church, perhaps you would be more familiar with Ukranian Catholics or Marionites, other Rites.

Following Orthodox traditions, married men may be accepted into the priesthood. Kind of a catch-22, if a married man is accepted into the priesthood, he must remain chaste with his wife, or true to her in common terms. IF that wife dies or for some reason the marriage partners separates, the priest must become celibate. No dating or re-marriage is ever permitted for, as you know, "priests never marry".

I'll submit some information on the Rites of the Catholic Church for your information.

Feel free to ask any other questions as it suits

so if your wife isnt with you..lets see if i got this right..youre like celibate?you cant even get a girlfriend?what if your wife gets a divorce?

 

[sanctus]

so if your wife isnt with you..lets see if i got this right..youre like celibate?you cant even get a girlfriend?what if your wife gets a divorce?

No, Maple, I am quite celibate

Divorce not being recognized by the church would make a civil divorce a non-issue in the eyes of the Church.

No, I cannot get a girlfriend. Priests can never marry, regardless of their circumstances.

 

[selfactivated]

From the original post, which I think the thread has veered from. this is quite true. We have so many examples of people trying to re-write or re-define what the Bible teaches to suit their
pc agendas.As if now God has changed his mind on the faith!

Including christians. Yall lump Pagans as blasphemers, tricksters yet do you read your own tripe? I mean geeeez its ok to tear apart someones belief system as long as your christian? Again......WHEN was the last war a Pagan started?

 

[marygaspe]

Including christians. Yall lump Pagans as blasphemers, tricksters yet do you read your own tripe? I mean geeeez its ok to tear apart someones belief system as long as your christian? Again......WHEN was the last war a Pagan started?

Hmmm, which one do you want? War is not exclusive to people of the Church you know. The Middle East is not Christian, most of Asia are pagans..etc.

 

[selfactivated]

Another very busy thread started by our friend sanctus. Major kudos to MikeyDB, selfactivated, RSK, the Bear, and a few others whose names don't come immediately to mind because I'm less familiar with their works, for such thoughtful and spirited posts. MikeyDB in particular I thought put up an exceptionally good post in about the middle of page 11.

I've noticed what I think are two pretty consistent patterns in all the religion-related threads here at CC, and also in the wider world. First, most believers seem to attribute anything good that anybody does or feels or thinks or says to the influence of god, while all the bad things are attributed to our sinful human natures. Even this unrepentant old atheist has been told in effect that whatever goodness there is in me is due to god working invisibly and without my knowledge (or consent, I might add) within me, and thus that I cannot really be both an atheist and a good person, I must have some degree of religious belief. In other words, the good stuff comes only and entirely from god, the bad stuff's our fault, we're all just as the lowly worm without god. Quite apart from the fact that worms are very useful and productive creatures in the web of life, and that is thus an insult to worms, I think that's nonsense. I believe It *all* comes from us, the good and the bad, nobody's responsible for ourselves but us and no supernatural being is going to help us. I've seen no good evidence that suggests otherwise. It's all up to us. We're on our own and it's long past time we started taking personal responsibility for what we do.

Second, when a relatively small number of people share an irrational belief, we call it occult, or pagan, or evil, or psychotic, or something like that, and often try to repress or control or lock up such people. I suppose we should be grateful that we're not burning them at the stake anymore, or stoning them. But when a whole lot of people share an irrational belief we dignify it by calling it a religion and grant it special status and moral authority.

I think that too is nonsense.

And just as an aside, sanctus (though it's admittedly a personal matter that's really none of my business and you're perfectly entitled to refuse to answer, I'm just curious): you appear here as a Roman Catholic priest, but the web page linked to in your public profile where your poetry is published says you have two children and there's no mention of a wife. What's that about?

YOU amaze me I still think your a closet Pagan. I dont think we even share a book. As far as I know Pagans are storytellers. In the Wiccan Belief we keep a book of shadows but thats like a recipe book. In the Shaman beliefs stories are past down threw story tellers. In my family Im it (couldnt ya tell ) The stories are ancient and we KNOW they are stories that have meaning and purpose. Unlike the christians that have perversed their lores into a hard pill to swallow. I mean really, my God of choice is Pan. Half man half goat! LOL I doubt we'll find his ol bones BUT he is the God of music, of passion, of tricks and of my heart. Do you see the difference?

 

[sanctus]

Including christians. Yall lump Pagans as blasphemers, tricksters yet do you read your own tripe? I mean geeeez its ok to tear apart someones belief system as long as your christian? Again......WHEN was the last war a Pagan started?

Do you consider the practice of war exclusive to members of the Church? so we can assume that until the arrival of the Christian faith, back in the "good old days" when paganism ruled, we were a world of peace and love???

 

[selfactivated]

Hmmm, which one do you want? War is not exclusive to people of the Church you know. The Middle East is not Christian, most of Asia are pagans..etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism

LOL Johnny says "Pharoh let my people go....." He's Chickahominy and finds this all very amusing.

 

[sanctus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism

LOL Johnny says "Pharoh let my people go....." He's Chickahominy and finds this all very amusing.

I would hardly think Wikipedia is a reliable source of information. And you know very well that when the world was mostly pagan, we had wars, much like today. Even your example, they were pagan and ensalved a race.

 

[hermanntrude]

i would hesitate to label the ancient egyptians as pagans. I think they deserve their own religious label.

 

[selfactivated]

Hmmm, which one do you want? War is not exclusive to people of the Church you know. The Middle East is not Christian, most of Asia are pagans..etc.

LOLLLLLLLLL your right Im wrong......Vikings were frieghtful little shytes werent they LOLLLLLLLLLLLL But thats the difference between me and MOST christians.....I can say Im wrong and Im sorry. Ive not heard a priest ever apologize for any of the atrocities perpatrated on young people or Pagans.

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

Pagans are no worse or better than any other person irregardless of relgious affiliation. Which has always been my point, I think. Emotional replies not withstanding. Not sure if I would lump Oriental religions in with paganism. They are well documented belief structures that many predate European origin belief systems. Unless you consider "pagan" to be a christian definition. "Heathen" I have always thought as an insulting term from a follower of the Abrahamic monothesistic religions. So if someone was to lump Asian belief systems in with paganism does that make most Asians people of low IQ running about worshipping trees, nutbars and crack-pots, or have the intelligence of snails. That would pretty much include most people on this planet. What is the term one uses for someone who goes around haranguing, and insulting someone due to their religion or country of origin?

 

[sanctus]

Pagans are no worse or better than any other person irregardless of relgious affiliation. Which has always been my point, I think. Emotional replies not withstanding. Not sure if I would lump Oriental religions in with paganism. ?

That is pretty well what I was saying as well. Religious membership does not seem to always indicate religious like behaviour.

 

[CDNBear]

i would hesitate to label the ancient egyptians as pagans. I think they deserve their own religious label.

To a Christian...

If you ain't a Catholic Christian, you're a Pagan!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I do not classify myself as anything realy, but to most Christians I would be a Pagan, so that is why I'm here countering the Christian BS.

 

[hermanntrude]

To a Christian...

If you ain't a Catholic Christian, you're a Pagan!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I do not classify myself as anything realy, but to most Christians I would be a Pagan, so that is why I'm here countering the Christian BS.

my point exactly. pagan is an umbrella term but it should be more specific nowadays. other religions and belief systems have their own names.

 

[CDNBear]

That is pretty well what I was saying as well. Religious membership does not seem to always indicate religious like behaviour.

Umm sanctus, I hate to burst your bubble, but I would have to say that most of what I have seen you post, is intolerant. How is that Christian? Is criticising other religions acceptable Christianity? Is condemning people for predisposed genenic sexuality Christian?

 

[sanctus]

To a Christian...

If you ain't a Catholic Christian, you're a Pagan!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I do not classify myself as anything realy, but to most Christians I would be a Pagan, so that is why I'm here countering the Christian BS.

When you're right, you're right

by the way, very much enjoying some of the information I have been reading about Native spirituality.

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

Sanctus,is native spirituality pagan?

 

[sanctus]

Sanctus,is native spirituality pagan?

You know already what I would answer.

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

Pagans are no worse or better than any other person irregardless of relgious affiliation. Which has always been my point, I think. Emotional replies not withstanding. Not sure if I would lump Oriental religions in with paganism. They are well documented belief structures that many predate European origin belief systems. Unless you consider "pagan" to be a christian definition. "Heathen" I have always thought as an insulting term from a follower of the Abrahamic monothesistic religions. So if someone was to lump Asian belief systems in with paganism does that make most Asians people of low IQ running about worshipping trees, nutbars and crack-pots, or have the intelligence of snails. That would pretty much include most people on this planet. What is the term one uses for someone who goes around haranguing, and insulting someone due to their religion or country of origin?

Anyone? Sanctus? marygaspe?

 

[sanctus]

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Anyone? Sanctus? marygaspe?

Do you feel persecuted? Poor baby:-(