The Native Issue...Deux.

[Goober]

One of the main problems I see with native self governance is the imposed so called democratic system. Many of the old tribes had a council of elders, some were matriarchal and some patriarchal. Cheifs were temporary positions that had to do with fishing, hunting, berry picking or war. That system left no room for personal ambition or greed. If bands are to have self governance, they should have the choice of which type of governance they wish and not be bound by our antiquated and corruptible brand.

What about accoutability - to the band members - and the tax payers who provide funding?

 

[CDNBear]

The Sechelt band had been working on this for a number of years. I believe the Musqueem are doing it as well. Lost track of how it is going. Band members would actually own their lot. Last I heard, which was a couple of years back the sticking point was paying municipal taxes. Some band members didn't feel they should have to pay. The news media only tells us about the parts that sell print so unless you are actively involved you will miss out on how it goes. I think it would be a viable system.
Nationhood should be dealt with as a separate issue as it will be quite complicated. Just defining what constitutes a nation where there are so many small bands in remote locations is going to be a problem here.

This is where the First Nations Assembly came in. The intent being a single voice, that could eventually be a central Gov't. Unfortunately, not every Nation feels the FNA is capable of being that.

The fact that the Native populace is so politically fractious, adds more complications.

I like the idea of the municipality, with the governing body being accountable to a central Federal body, as apposed to the regional and provincial bodies.

As it is, fiscally, First Nations funds are handled by a Federal body, a Provincial body and a Regional body. Thanks to downloading, and the use of services by each Nation in their respective areas.

It's not as simple and cut and dry as some think it is.

You wouldn't. Since you aren't, you do.

Can you please provide me with the documentation, that shows we ceded to the Crown?

It's central to your position, so you should be able to put it forth.

Did a rethink about my last post. Please ignore it. I'm wrong. I had forgotten about the Quebec Act of 1774 which made most if not all of the Ohio territory part of Quebec & therefore Joesph Brant & the Five Nations are indigenous covered by treaty rights.

You were still somewhat correct in the other post. Although I see you understand how we would indeed be indigenous, please excuse me if I elaborate for others.

The Five Nations at that time stretched across parts of what is now Ontario, and Quebec, New York, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, West Virginia, Vermont.

It was literally Five Nations banded together in peace, to protect or expand their interests. In affect, making the territory a Nation, with five provinces, each occupied by a Nation.

What about accountability - to the band members - and the tax payers who provide funding?

This is the plight of the electorate everywhere Goober.

 

[Cannuck]

Can you please provide me with the documentation, that shows we ceded to the Crown?

It's central to your position, so you should be able to put it forth.

No, it's not central to my position. You are not a sovereign nation because nobody recognizes you as a sovereign nation. If you doubt that, why not make up your own passports and see if you can get into England.

 

[CDNBear]

No, it's not central to my position.

Oh I see you missed the challenge again. Care to prove that we ceded to the Crown or not? How about that law you cited earlier?

You are not a sovereign nation because nobody recognizes you as a sovereign nation.

Because of a concerted effort, by a foundling nation, with help from it's mother. While at the time, we actually possessed the requirements to join the League of Nations, when Canada did not.

If you doubt that, why not make up your own passports and see if you can get into England.

Read the news to suit your opinion much?

They didn't have an issue with the "Passport", they had an issue with the fact that the "Passport" didn't contain the now required security features.

Try again Cannuck. Maybe this time you can show me the law you cited earlier and the proof that we ceded to the Crown.

Or is this where you tell me I failed again?

 

[Cannuck]

Oh I see you missed the challenge again. Care to prove that we ceded to the Crown or not? How about that law you cited earlier?

Care to point out any real nation that recognizes your nation as a nation? Oh, I see you missed the challenge again.

They didn't have an issue with the "Passport", they had an issue with the fact that the "Passport" didn't contain the now required security features.

Then there should be no problem getting better passports then. Although I find it somewhat odd that the sovereignty of a nation or people rests primarily on its technological sophistication.

 

[CDNBear]

Care to point out any real nation that recognizes your nation as a nation?

The U.S. members of the Commonwealth, Lebanon, Switzerland, and so on, for over 24 years, for starters.

Oh, I see you missed the challenge again.

Oh wait! What? You haven't made any challenges Cannuck, just claims. When I ask for your proof, you just move on. Kinda like in the Islam thread. Good call, stick to yer MO.

Then there should be no problem getting better passports then.

Already in the works.

Although I find it somewhat odd that the sovereignty of a nation or people rests primarily on its technological sophistication.

It doesn't. You're the on that threw out the passport issue. Not my fault you weren't up to speed on the facts of that situation.

 

[Cannuck]

The U.S. members of the Commonwealth, Lebanon, Switzerland, and so on, for over 24 years, for starters.

LOL! On May 1, 2006 Doreen Silversmith made a speech in Geneva (if I'm not mistaken) and at the end of her speech, she called on the international community to intervene at Six Nations. What has Switzerland done?

You shouldn't take everything you hear or read so literally. Nor should you take it so seriously.

Anywho...too busy to carry on. I'll be back in a few months to explain how you can actually be a sovereign nation (though I'm quite sure none of the aboriginals in Canada really want that.

TTFN

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

We've been over this before. Aboriginals are nations by race and language, which is a start, but they are not nations in the sense of being sovereign like Japan or Estonia because they can't keep invaders off their territory.

Japanese and Estonians, by the way are also indigenous and native to their land. They are each a race and made a unique language.

But here in yuppieland, we call the separatists in Quebec a nation in order to appease them. We don't even hassle the separatists in Quebec who could actually wreck the country. We're strictly in political peacekeeping mode nowadays, just let it ride and hope nothing happens. Good plan unless something happens.

 

[CDNBear]

LOL! On May 1, 2006 Doreen Silversmith made a speech in Geneva (if I'm not mistaken) and at the end of her speech, she called on the international community to intervene at Six Nations. What has Switzerland done?

You shouldn't take everything you hear or read so literally. Nor should you take it so seriously.

I don't. Nor do I honestly post all I know on the subject. I like to leave room for the opponent to throw out "gotchya's" sometimes. So I can push them through the doors they open.

Anywho...too busy to carry on. I'll be back in a few months to explain how you can actually be a sovereign nation (though I'm quite sure none of the aboriginals in Canada really want that.

I wait with heart felt anticipation.