The mistake of scientists about the origin of life.

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The Mistake of Scientists about the Origin of Life

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Life Came to Earth Embedded in the Meteorites.
Life started from mountains, not from seas.

Fire is used to sterilize things; because it kills life and every living being. Then, knowing that Earth originally was a flaming object, then how could life originate from the Earth itself?
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But actually life came to Earth embedded in the meteorites [or the celestial rocks.]

Those meteorites were the remnants of some planets that were broken up in the ancient times.
The past broken up planets were inhabited, having the plant, the animal and intelligent human beings; then when those planets were broken up, the remnants of the plants: seeds and branches, and the decayed corpses of animals and human beings (in addition to the bacteria, fungus and other microorganisms) were embedded in the parts of those planets.
Some of these parts and meteorites fell on Earth to carry the germ of life to it, in the form of seeds, branches of trees and organic matter of decayed animals. Then, when the circumstances and conditions were suitable for life, and the rain started to come down, they started to grow and reproduce.
Then God – be exalted – created on Earth various kinds of plants and animals [: a male and a female of every species] and the four human races, each in a region of the Earth.


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Life is Transmissible (or Migrant)

The origin of the seed of life was not from the Earth; because the Earth, together with the rest of the planets, were one flaming sun; and it is impossible for life to originate from the fire. But life, in fact, came to our Earth from the old planets that had broken up into [many parts: large and small] and meteorites; some of these parts and meteorites fell down on Earth and became the mountains of our Earth. When rain water fell down, those seeds and remnants of trees started to grow and enlarge because of the water. God – be exalted – said in the Quran, 21: 30



و جَعَلْنا مِنَ الماءِكُلَّ شَيءٍ حَيٍّ



The explanation: (And [We] made – of water – every living thing.)Then God - be exalted – created animals, birds and human beings, out of those decayed substances [present on those mountains.] After that, these creatures descended from those mountains and scattered throughout the Earth, and started to reproduce until they filled the Earth.Therefore, life is transmissible from one planet to another.

B.
Adam was created in a garden on one of the earth mountains:
Adam was not created in the Garden of heaven.

God created Adam on this earth, not in heaven; He created him in one of the earth gardens (or forest?) where there was ample amount of fruits, and water springs; then when Adam disobeyed he was punished (just like other disobedient people who are punished according to their disobedience); he was punished by letting that garden dry up: the water went to the deep valleys, the trees dried up, the birds left that place, and Adam was obliged by God to leave his garden together with his wife Eve and the cattle that God - be glorified - created for him in that earthy garden.
God created Adam from the decayed corpse of a man buried in that garden; the decayed substance was dark offensive semi-dry or semi- wet soil; therefore Iblies :) Satan) refused to prostrate himself before Adam. God - be glorified said in the Quran 15: 28



(و إذْ قالَ ربُّكَ لِلملائكةِ إنّي خالِقٌ بَشَراً مِنْ صَلْصالٍ مِنْ حَمَإٍ مَسْنُونٍ)



The explanation: ( Behold! Your Lord [O Mohammed] said to the angels: “I am about to create man [:Adam], from a black putrid clay.” )
It means: He created Adam from decayed organic substance, which was a decayed body of a dead man, in a grave; therefore, it was putrid black substance: a wet earth or somewhat dry mud, that has little water.



God – be exalted - may have created Adam inside a grave. Then from the same substance, He created his wife Eve; then they reproduced; their sons married from the yellow and black races that were near to them.



 
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Yes everybody knows life came from the stars except the Christians. You still need fire though to warm up the mud of mankind don't you?


Book of Rodents------------chapter 69 verse 7
Let there be radiation said she and lo there was heat and lights and humans came forth and ate the planet.:smile:
 

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Can you send me a copy of the Book of Rodents and I want to subscribv to your newssletter.

Yes sir/madam, it is quite expensive though. Perhaps you'd like to avail yourself of my free material here at CCC for a bit before you throw your money away on something you may not understand not having attented one of my retreats.
 

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Fire is used to sterilize things; because it kills life and every living being. Then, knowing that Earth originally was a flaming object, then how could life originate from the Earth itself?
Um... maybe because it didn't continue to be a flaming object? It obviously isn't now, so at some point the fires went out and things cooled off.

Gawd--blessed be her name--eanassir, your ignorance and silliness are staggering.
 

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Um... maybe because it didn't continue to be a flaming object? It obviously isn't now, so at some point the fires went out and things cooled off.

Refer to the experiments that Pasteur that did many many years ago. The object that has been sterilized by fire and high temperature; from where will life come to it?

Dexter Sinister, your insisting on your atheism will lead you to complete loss in the next life; your denial of the next world of souls will not change the outcome, because it will be inevitable. Your pride over listening to the truth will lead you to mistake in your calculating the matter to your future lasting spiritual life.
What's the matter with you, what benefit will you have from insisting on such atheism? The belief and holding fast with the Ten Commandments is not difficult; but all that is due to God's guidance.

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Try to imagine how much I don't care. I'll take my chances on the next life based on my understanding of reality and a lifetime of studying the sciences. According to everything I know, which has much better evidence in support of it than anything you've presented here, you're simply wrong about pretty much everything.
 

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One could speculate on the sciences to ones hearts desire as to the origins of humanity, as well as to the existence of a God.
Neither of course will render and exact definite answer.

Peace>>>AJ
 

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I'll take my chances on the next life based on my understanding of reality and a lifetime of studying the sciences.

The best answer that I may give is God's words in the Quran 4: 39 – 42
وَمَاذَا عَلَيْهِمْ لَوْ آمَنُواْ بِاللّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَأَنفَقُواْ مِمَّا رَزَقَهُمُ اللّهُ وَكَانَ اللّهُ بِهِم عَلِيمًا . إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَظْلِمُ مِثْقَالَ ذَرَّةٍ وَإِن تَكُ حَسَنَةً يُضَاعِفْهَا وَيُؤْتِ مِن لَّدُنْهُ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا .فَكَيْفَ إِذَا جِئْنَا مِن كُلِّ أمَّةٍ بِشَهِيدٍ وَجِئْنَا بِكَ عَلَى هَـؤُلاء شَهِيدًا .يَوْمَئِذٍ يَوَدُّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ وَعَصَوُاْ الرَّسُولَ لَوْ تُسَوَّى بِهِمُ الأَرْضُ وَلاَ يَكْتُمُونَ اللّهَ حَدِيثًا .
The explanation: (What [harm] would it do them if they believed in God and in the Last Day, and expended [in alms] of what God has provided them with? But God is Well-Acquainted of them.

Surely, God does not wrong [people] so much as the weight of a particle, and if it be a good [deed], He will multiply it, and give from Himself a great recompense.

But how [will it be with them: the unbelievers among your people] when [on the Day of Judgment] We shall bring forward out of every people [their prophet as] a witness [to bear witness against them], and We shall bring you [, Mohammed, as] a witness against these [unbelievers among your nation]?
On that day those who disbelieved and disobeyed the Apostle [: the Messenger] would fain that the earth were rearranged and leveled with them, but they can hide no fact from God.)

The interpretation of the last aya: The earth will break up on Doomsday; but prior to its breaking up, the souls of disbelievers will hide in graves, pits and underground spaces or subterrains; but when the earth will break up, they will be exposed, and then will wish that the earth will return as it was before its breaking up, so that they will hide from angels.

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The best answer that I may give is God's words in the Quran 4: 39 – 42
I didn't expect you'd have an answer of your own. You don't think at all except what the book and various interpreters of it tell you to think, and most of the empirical claims and ideas you've extracted from that material and posted here are simply wrong.
 

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(What [harm] would it do them if they believed in God and in the Last Day, and expended [in alms] of what God has provided them with? But God is Well-Acquainted of them.
I can't speak for anyone else here, but I can't exactly just decide that I will believe in something that easily.
 

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The Mistake of Scientists about the Origin of Life

A.



Life Came to Earth Embedded in the Meteorites.

Life Started from Mountains, not from Seas.

Fire is used to sterilize things; because it kills life and every living being. Then, knowing that Earth originally was a flaming object, then how could life originate from the Earth itself?
See our website: http://universeandquran.741.com
And click on: The meteorites

But actually life came to Earth embedded in the meteorites [or the celestial rocks.]

Those meteorites were the remnants of some planets that were broken up in the ancient times.
The past broken up planets were inhabited, having the plant, the animal and intelligent human beings; then when those planets were broken up, the remnants of the plants: seeds and branches, and the decayed corpses of animals and human beings (in addition to the bacteria, fungus and other microorganisms) were embedded in the parts of those planets.
Some of these parts and meteorites fell on Earth to carry the germ of life to it, in the form of seeds, branches of trees and organic matter of decayed animals. Then, when the circumstances and conditions were suitable for life, and the rain started to come down, they started to grow and reproduce.
Then God – be exalted – created on Earth various kinds of plants and animals [: a male and a female of every species] and the four human races, each in a region of the Earth.

See our website: http://universeandquran.741.com
Click on the following to have more details and information:
Life Is Transmissible

Life Is Transmissible (or Migrant)
The origin of the seed of life was not from the Earth; because the Earth, together with the rest of the planets, were one flaming sun; and it is impossible for life to originate from the fire. But life, in fact, came to our Earth from the old planets that had broken up into [many parts: large and small] and meteorites; some of these parts and meteorites fell down on Earth and became the mountains of our Earth. When rain water fell down, those seeds and remnants of trees started to grow and enlarge because of the water.
God – be exalted – said in the Quran, 21: 30
(و جَعَلْنا مِنَ الماءِ كُلَّ شَيءٍ حَيٍّ )
The explanation: (And [We] made – of water – every living thing.)
Then God - be exalted – created animals, birds and human beings, out of those decayed substances [present on those mountains.] After that, these creatures descended from those mountains and scattered throughout the Earth, and started to reproduce until they filled the Earth.
Therefore, life is transmissible from one planet to another.

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B.

[Adam was created in a garden on one of the Earth mountains.
Adam was not created in the Paradise of Heaven.]
God - be exalted – created Adam and Eve on one of those mountains, which were parts of the past broken up planets, then Adam and Eve descended from the mountain to the plain land, reproduced and scattered throughout the Earth.
God - be exalted - said in the Quran, 2: 35
(و قُلْنا يا آدَمُ اسْكُنْ أنتَ و زَوجُكَ الجَنّةَ و كُلا مِنْها رَغَداً حَيثُ شِئتُما و لا تَقْرَبا هذهِ الشجرةَ فَتَكونا مِنَ الظّالِمينَ .)
The explanation: (And We said, ‘O Adam, dwell together with your wife in the garden, and eat you [both] amply [of the fruits] thereof where you will; but approach not this tree lest you should then become the wrongdoers.)
The ‘garden’, here, is that garden which was on the mountain.

The garden, where Adam was dwelling, was on one of those mountains, as has-previously- been mentioned; the indication of that is His saying – be exalted – in the Quran, 20: 123
(قالَ اهْبِطا مِنْها جَمِيعاً بَعضُكم لِبَعضٍ عَدُوٌّ )
The explanation: (Said He, ‘Get down, both of you, altogether, out of it, each of you an enemy to the other.)
The explanation: Descend, both of you, from the mountain to the plain land; for the ‘descence’ means to come down from a high to a low place.
God – be exalted – created Adam and Eve from those decayed substances which were on the mountain [on which the garden was.] God - be exalted - said in the Quran, 15: 28
(و إذْ قالَ ربُّكَ لِلملائكةِ إنّي خالِقٌ بَشَراً مِنْ صَلْصالٍ مِنْ حَمَإٍ مَسْنُونٍ )
The explanation: ( Behold! Your Lord [O Mohammed] said to the angels: “I am about to create man [:Adam], from a black putrid clay.” )
It means: He created Adam from decayed organic substance, which was a decayed body of a dead man, in a grave; therefore, it was putrid black substance: a wet earth or somewhat dry mud, that has little water.

God – be exalted - may have created Adam inside a grave. Then from the same substance, He created his wife Eve; then they reproduced; their sons married from the yellow and black races that were near to them.

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What you seem to be imparting here is part post flood and part pre flood which itself was post flood from the 10000 year old comet strike, you know the seven sisters period, arround 3150 BC there was a comet strike in the mediterrainian sea and the deluged ensued, things went downhill on the orb for a while but we bounced back and got into the old game once again, I'm sure the gods were there but they ain't much like the biblical bearded sages we commonly hear about.
 

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I didn't expect you'd have an answer of your own. You don't think at all except what the book and various interpreters of it tell you to think, and most of the empirical claims and ideas you've extracted from that material and posted here are simply wrong.

The best reply is according to God's words in the Quran 32: 13
وَلَوْ شِئْنَا لَآتَيْنَا كُلَّ نَفْسٍ هُدَاهَا وَلَكِنْ حَقَّ الْقَوْلُ مِنِّي لَأَمْلَأَنَّ جَهَنَّمَ مِنَ الْجِنَّةِ وَالنَّاسِ أَجْمَعِينَ
The explanation: (If We had so willed, We could have given to every soul its guidance, but My due word was pronounced in truth: " Certainly, I will fill Hell with [the wrong-doers of] the genie-kind and the man-kind altogether.")

That is because not every soul will believe, but God guides whomever He please, and misguides whomever He will to misguide; i.e. the one who deserves guidance will be guided, but wrongdoers who wrong themselves and other people will not be guided.
In other words: the one who deserves guidance, and according to God's command, the angels will inspire him to believe that God is One, and that Mohammed worked like other prophets according to God's way until he broke up the idols of his people, and the angels will go on talking to him by inspiration, while he is usually unaware until he believes in God as One without associate and in all the prophets of God and in the next world. This is in the Quran 10: 100
وَمَا كَانَ لِنَفْسٍ أَن تُؤْمِنَ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِ اللّهِ وَيَجْعَلُ الرِّجْسَ عَلَى الَّذِينَ لاَ يَعْقِلُونَ
The explanation: (It is not for any soul to believe save by God's leave; and He lays [psychological] illness on those who do not think [reasonably].)

"That is because the one believing, in God as One and in the apostle of God, will have a precious prize: Paradise; and it is not logical that the guilty and the one who work righteously will be equal in the outcome"; and all that is due to God's favor.

While the one that does not feed the poor, does not show kindness to the orphan, and that is proud over God; God will leave him be to devils to have control over them by suggestions [of devils] while such disbelievers are unaware; because they do not see the devils, until the devils will have complete control over them, and they will not be guided, even though all miracles will be done before them; and they at last will die as disbelievers and go to Hell.

This is confirmed by the words of Jesus Christ in the Gospel, according to Matthews:

Mat 13:3 Then he began to tell them many things in parables. He said, "Listen! A sower went out to sow.
Mat 13:4 As he was sowing, some seeds fell along the path, and birds came and ate them up.
Mat 13:5 Other seeds fell on stony ground, where they did not have a lot of soil. They sprouted at once because the soil wasn't deep.
Mat 13:6 But when the sun came up, they were scorched. Since they did not have any roots, they dried up.
Mat 13:7 Other seeds fell among thornbushes, and the thornbushes came up and choked them.
Mat 13:8 But other seeds fell on good soil and produced a crop, some a hundred, some sixty, and some thirty times what was sown.
Mat 13:9 Let the person who has ears listen!" ……..
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Mat 13:18 "Listen, then, to the parable about the sower.
Mat 13:19 When anyone hears the word about the kingdom yet doesn't understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path.
Mat 13:20 As for what was sown on the stony ground, this is the person who hears the word and accepts it at once with joy,
Mat 13:21 but since he doesn't have any root in himself, he lasts for only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes along because of the word, he immediately falls away.
Mat 13:22 As for what was sown among the thornbushes, this is the person who hears the word, but the worries of life and the deceitful pleasures of wealth choke the word so that it can't produce a crop.
Mat 13:23 But as for what was sown on good soil, this is the person who hears the word, understands it, and produces a crop that yields a hundred, sixty, or thirty times what was sown."

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So it seems you're telling me I'm going to Hell. I'm really tired of hearing things like that from people who can't think for themselves but instead rely on ancient texts, written by ignorant and superstitious desert nomads in a pre-literate, pre-scientific age, to tell them what to think. I don't believe for a second that there's either a Heaven or a Hell, nor do I believe that I'm in any sense a bad or misguided person, I believe in fact that I've got a much better grip on reality than you do. If anybody deserves Hell, it's people like you who deliberately choose to be ignorant and foolish and try to peddle their ignorant foolishness to others.
 
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"That is because the one believing, in God as One and in the apostle of God, will have a precious prize: Paradise; and it is not logical that the guilty and the one who work righteously will be equal in the outcome"; and all that is due to God's favor.>>>eanassir

eanassir,

You are doing the same exact thing Christians in general are doing.

Christian innocently are condemning all non-believers to hell because they don't know any better.
You are also condemning those who don't believe as you do as well.

I am a Christian believer and came out of the ranks of those who condemned, but as I asked for wisdom of understanding, in considering those who have not heard the word as I have; God showed me by His word that every soul that ever lived was bought and paid for by Jesus' blood.

Look here for a second, the story of Adam was to show mankind that God created Him and placed Him in an environment conducive to sin.
Purpose was to give mankind the ability to choose.
We can not have that ability if we don not have two distinct opposites to consider.

We have them, so we have wars. War one against the other. Now we can see why we do have a choice in small trivial things as well as large things.

We have a choice to believe or not to believe at the expense of God's Son.(Free gift)

The second Adam is a similitude of the first Adam as far as beginnings is concerned.

The first was made flesh and brought death.
The second was made a quickening spirit and brought life.

Being that the first Adam was in essences the father of all the living flesh, then all who ever lived come under the same curse he did, no exceptions.

The second Adam also came under the same curse, but had the power to reverse that curse ......again for: "all mankind".

What that does eanassir, is free us up from being stuck to one religious belief and condemning all others.

I am free to love without limit, meaning, condemning no one, but having the power to forgive, to let live, and let everyone exercises their beliefs as they see fit.

This is what Jesus thought, in the two great commandments, love God and neighbor.

My friend, do those two and forget all this stuff about aliens, planets, and do as Jesus requested: love!

What would you like to be remember for, a good religious man/or a good man?

A religious man sticks to his religion and has no tolerance, while a good man lives and works out of the goodness of his heart, to wards his fellow man without discrimination.

There are folks out there that live by their hearts and are greater in favor to God than the religious ones who practice religion not with their hearts.

Observe this verse as proof of that:
Luk 10:12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.
Sodom was destoyed and "that" city as well, but in different ways, Sodom physically, "that city" spiritually.

You do realize both extremes in that verse don't you?

Meaning, the ones who knew and did not the right thing were worse off than the ones who did not know and did the wrong thing.

Is there a lesson to be learned there?

You are not going to win any souls for Gods kingdom with an attitude of this is the only way.
If you are going to proclaim Gods attributes, do so like God does and not how man thinks God does.

Rethink your studies, meditate, ask God to show you, question Him.
Don't be afraid, He won't bite, in fact He would love for you to challenge Him.
Here look:
Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Search it out my friend, with your heart and not with your mind.

Peace>>>AJ


 

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So it seems you're telling me I'm going to Hell. I'm really tired of hearing things like that from people who can't think for themselves but instead rely on ancient texts, written by ignorant and superstitious desert nomads in a pre-literate, pre-scientific age, to tell them what to think. I don't believe for a second that there's either a Heaven or a Hell, nor do I believe that I'm in any sense a bad or misguided person, I believe in fact that I've got a much better grip on reality than you do. If anybody deserves Hell, it's people like you who deliberately choose to be ignorant and foolish and try to peddle their ignorant foolishness to others.

Dexter Sinister,
  • I am not a keeper of Hell or Paradise; I cannot guaranty Paradise for myself, but I hope for this of God Most Gracious.
I didn't tell you and cannot tell anyone that he will go to Hell or Paradise; but the atheist [who denies God], the disbeliever and the associater [that associates others with God] will be admitted to Hell without any judgment, and no one may intercede for their behalf, nor does any redemption save them.

  • Why shouldn't I repeat the words of my Lord That created, guided and provided for me, and bestowed on me a lot out of His grace, blessings and favors?
Or shall I repeat the words of atheists who move in darkness like the drunken without the light of God's guidance?
Will I substitute the words of the All-Knowing God with the words of the ignorant who deem themselves oriented and educated? As God – be glorified – said in the Quran 6: 71

قُلْ أَنَدْعُو مِن دُونِ اللّهِ مَا لاَ يَنفَعُنَا وَلاَ يَضُرُّنَا وَنُرَدُّ عَلَى أَعْقَابِنَا بَعْدَ إِذْ هَدَانَا اللّهُ كَالَّذِي اسْتَهْوَتْهُ الشَّيَاطِينُ فِي الأَرْضِ حَيْرَانَ لَهُ أَصْحَابٌ يَدْعُونَهُ إِلَى الْهُدَى ائْتِنَا قُلْ إِنَّ هُدَى اللّهِ هُوَ الْهُدَىَ وَأُمِرْنَا لِنُسْلِمَ لِرَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ

The explanation: (Say: "Shall we call, apart from God, on [idols] that neither profit nor hurt us, and shall we be turned back on our heels, even after that God has guided us; like one [: Canaan, the grandson of Noah] deceived by the [human] devils in the earth, so was perplexed, [and] having some friends [in the Ark] calling him to guidance, [saying to him]: "Come with us [on the Ark!" But he did not respond to them, and then was drowned in the flood ] Say [Mohammed to these idolaters]: "God's guidance is the [sure] guidance [: You cannot misguide him whom God has guided], and we are commanded to surrender [or submit ourselves] to the Lord of the worlds.")

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I can't speak for anyone else here, but I can't exactly just decide that I will believe in something that easily.

Those atheists will never respond to any reasonable idea: if you speak with them in logic, they will deny any logic; if you tell them about reason, they depend not on reason; in case you tell them about the cause and result, they will not accept anything of that; they deny the existence of anything or anyone, and even deny themselves; then in what way one may wrangle with them; is not this obviously indicate that Satan the Devil has complete control of them and they are unaware?

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