The Iran Factor

[Ocean Breeze]

'We wish nothing more, but we will accept nothing less. Masters in our own house we must be, but our house is the whole of Canada.'
Pierre Elliott Trudeau

Bravo !! and indeed. !!

 

[bulldog]

Re: RE: The Iran Factor

You are referring to Martin Luther King Jr. as "...a schizo who is delusional?" Considering that he is recognised around the world because of the influence he had on human rights, I think you should apologise to the world in general.

Are you unable to follow a conversation? I was referring to something else altogether. I sense there are a couple of people who enjoy taking a side road in logic in order to confuse the issue. I won't let you. I've got a cattle prod. ZAP!

Bull Dog

 

[bulldog]

August 8, 2005
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Get practical. You cannot afford to spout such rhetoric in time of war. You are so far off base, you are not even in the ballpark. I notice you reference an American. Find me a Canadian of equal importance with something to say on the subject.
Bull Dog

Am I to do things because they are practical, or expedient, or political. I say no. Canada is not at war in Iraq and I am currently petitioning the Canadian leaders to rethink NATO policy in Afghanistan. Do you just follow your leader blindly, like a little puppy dog? No wonder the world is in such a mess.

Seeing the mess the fascists are creating in the U.S.A. I give thanks everyday that I AM CANADIAN

'We wish nothing more, but we will accept nothing less. Masters in our own house we must be, but our house is the whole of Canada.'
Pierre Elliott Trudeau

Nope. Doesn't apply. Foul ball. This is what I have to say about Trudeau since you like over-generalization so much: One of Trudeau's favourite passages in literature, "I'll climb, not high perhaps, but all alone!" Perhaps that is the way the US feels. Ever think of that?

Bull Dog

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

:lol: :lol: :lol: " ... since you like over-generalization so much ... " :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: I love when Dr Sigmund bulldog chastises the world for "over-generalisation" and "spouting rhetoric". Cheers me up, no end, I must say - she's obviously a topdog psychologist, after all; I feel better already. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[bulldog]

:lol: :lol: :lol: " ... since you like over-generalization so much ... " :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: I love when Dr Sigmund bulldog chastises the world for "over-generalisation" and "spouting rhetoric". Cheers me up, no end, I must say - she's obviously a topdog psychologist, after all; I feel better already. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Actually, I am not of the Freudian school. I have told you all what branch of psychology I studied - cognitive. This is a more progressive form of psych, not related to Dr. Sigmund and his silly potty-training theories. My special area of interest is cognitive memory. Hot Dog, I'm feeling pretty frisky since I took a dip in the cement pond.

Bull Dog

 

[Ocean Breeze]

I've got a cattle prod. ZAP!

:roll:


sheesh, psych techniques are reverting to mideavil times too ....... (or is this part of the new and improved US torture techniques??

guess it is down to cattle prods, torture bombs and more destruction on this planet. (and may the fittest survive)

 

[peapod]

bulldog said
I notice you reference an American. Find me a Canadian of equal importance with something to say on the subject

Well hows about this...Keeping the Americans out, keeping the French in, and trying to get the Natives to somehow disappear.
Will Ferguson

See bulldog..we don't have to play by yur rules..nah! comedy is much more fun...besides you can find a ego tripping educated twat just about anywhere...but just try and find a good monty python on a rope...

 

[Ocean Breeze]

bulldog said
I notice you reference an American. Find me a Canadian of equal importance with something to say on the subject

Well hows about this...Keeping the Americans out, keeping the French in, and trying to get the Natives to somehow disappear.
Will Ferguson

See bulldog..we don't have to play by yur rules..nah! comedy is much more fun...besides you can find a ego tripping educated twat just about anywhere...but just try and find a good monty python on a rope...

:wink:

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

Actually, I am not of the Freudian school. I have told you all what branch of psychology I studied - cognitive. This is a more progressive form of psych, not related to Dr. Sigmund and his silly potty-training theories. My special area of interest is cognitive memory. Hot Dog, I'm feeling pretty frisky since I took a dip in the cement pond.

Bull Dog

:lol: :lol: 8O Oops, sorry bulldog; it seems I hadn't realised you were one of the more progressive sort of psychologists. Maybe your saying so (repeatitively, I gather) hasn't made much of an impression? The only thing I can really recall, apart from the ugly dog in your avatar, is small-minded, racist, over generalising bigotry. :roll:

Btw - since you object to 'over-generalization' so much, what on earth does "Perhaps that is the way the US feels" mean? Are nation states actually capable of cognition?

 

[peapod]

I read and learned and fretted more about Canada after I left than I ever did while I was home. I absorbed anything I could on topics that ranged from Folklore to history to political mainifestos... I ranted and raved and seethed about things beyond my control. In short I acted like a Canadian.
Will Ferguson

 

[PoisonPete2]

August 8, 2005
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Nope. Doesn't apply. Foul ball. This is what I have to say about Trudeau since you like over-generalization so much: One of Trudeau's favourite passages in literature, "I'll climb, not high perhaps, but all alone!" Perhaps that is the way the US feels. Ever think of that?
Bull Dog

Answer - Gee, I'm a little confused. Clarify if I am wrong. I understand that you were saying that Canada should side with the U.S. if the American government was going to be 'taking Canada down with them - if they go'. I suggest that this would be cowardice. You want a Canadian quote on the subject and I offer Trudeau's 'masters of our own house' quote. That seems to be off base to you. And you imply that I have no compassion for the situation the U.S. finds itself in, as some Paladin fighting soulless extremists. Well excuse me if I am not an advocate for seizing the assets of a non-aggressive country by force of arms and then vilifying its resistance fighters as being 'insurgent or terrorist’.

But this thread is in regard to Iran. In the early 1950s the CIA reinstalled the Shah Pahlavi as dictator in Iran. While introducing some westernization to Iran, he ruled through American trained SAVAK, assassinating or driving out all opposition to his tyrannical rule. The U.S. was content with his repression as the oil flowed. The U.S. applied this pattern of control through ‘puppet’ dictators in many places including: Cuba, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Chilli, Peru, Viet Nam, Egypt, Algiers, Morocco, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, Panama, etc, all with varied degree of failure, but all marked with great suffering to the populations.

A popular movement deposed the Shah in 1979. When the insurgents realized that the U.S. had protected this ruthless bastard, they seized the U.S. Embassy. Canada had to act in order to free the hostages. Always miffed when their plans for dominance goes wrong, the U.S. began to vilify the government of Iran and supported a war of aggression using their client state Iraq, and their good buddy SH. The U.S. has continued black ops and propaganda campaigns against Iran since that time.

Iran has good reason to be concerned for the intentions of the U.S. in the Middle East. Now that the U.S. is sharing its nuclear technology with India and providing Pakistan with advanced avionics it is understandable that Iran would consider the nuclear option for its economic independence and national security.

Of course there are many omissions in this short overview but please feel free to debate the points. But please try to avoid dismissive labels and non-sequitur argument. They reduce the quality of discourse.

As you enjoy Trudeau, here is his view of the USA

“Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt.”

 

[Reverend Blair]

I grew up around cattle prods, Bulldog. I have grown impervious to them.

You forgot to mention that, between the time they kicked the British out and the time the US installed the shah as their puppet, Iran the formed a rudimentary democracy all on their own, Pete.

 

[PoisonPete2]

Re: RE: The Iran Factor

You forgot to mention that, between the time they kicked the British out and the time the US installed the shah as their puppet, Iran the formed a rudimentary democracy all on their own, Pete.

Yes. These are a People quite capable of self-determination. Unfortunately in the last election in Iran, with the exclusion of reformists, the politial stand has hardened and reforms have slowed. The Iranians are dealing with external interference. Ironically it is this external pressure for change that is causing backlash against liberalization. The People will have self rule, but they will do it in a Persian way. Not at the point of a gun.

 

[Reverend Blair]

The pattern there is so obvious. When there's outside pressure, the power of the ayotollah's grows, leave them alone and they head towards democracy.

It's funny, but the democratic reform movement was very helpful to Khomeini when the shah was removed from power. What little power the reform movement has really stems from that.

 

[peapod]

Perhaps I can recommend some good reading bulldog..ehm...hows about this one...

You think you're swell, don't you? That you're God's gift to the Universe, the cream in everyone else's coffee. Well, you're wrong, and it's getting on everyone's nerves. The problem is you're too good, too pumped, too motivated. You need to come down to earth, to realize that when all is said and done, you're little more than a speed bump on the highway of life. You need a crash course in the principles of demotivational psychology.


You're Not as Good as You Think You Are offers a user-friendly guide to building a less significant you. Each chapter provides theory, life examples, and valuable "Mental Exercises" designed to help you hone your self-effacing skills as you strive to be the least you can be.

By following the steps laid out in this groundbreaking book, you too can feel really bad about yourself.

by chris gudgeon and sugar roy carboyle, a couple of monty phytons on a rope 8)

By chance....are you doing any behavioural experiments on Capuchin monkeys???

 

[peapod]

psssst....bulldog

noticed, whilst looking over yur posts earlier, was that, whilst they're all bullshit, some are much more cleverly worded bullshit than others. Almost like they were written by different people, if you get my drift. How many personalities are you packin :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[bulldog]

Actually, I am not of the Freudian school. I have told you all what branch of psychology I studied - cognitive. This is a more progressive form of psych, not related to Dr. Sigmund and his silly potty-training theories. My special area of interest is cognitive memory. Hot Dog, I'm feeling pretty frisky since I took a dip in the cement pond.

Bull Dog

:lol: :lol: 8O Oops, sorry bulldog; it seems I hadn't realised you were one of the more progressive sort of psychologists. Maybe your saying so (repeatitively, I gather) hasn't made much of an impression? The only thing I can really recall, apart from the ugly dog in your avatar, is small-minded, racist, over generalising bigotry. :roll:

Btw - since you object to 'over-generalization' so much, what on earth does "Perhaps that is the way the US feels" mean? Are nation states actually capable of cognition?

Excuse me - but there is nothing in what I have said that indicates that I am a small-minded, racist, overgeneralising bigot. That's you talking out of your own arsehole. Put a cork in it.

Also, excuse me, but I am not the one who brought up the psychology business in this thread.

Oh, excuse me again, for being so ugly. How dumb do you have to be to judge a person's looks by their avatar?

Bull Dog

 

[peapod]

psychologist my arse :? :? :?

 

[Reverend Blair]

Whay kind of psychology is it you do again, Bulldog?

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

Oh, excuse me again, for being so ugly. How dumb do you have to be to judge a person's looks by their avatar?

Bull Dog

The only thing I can really recall, apart from the ugly dog in your avatar ... "

:lol: Sorry bulldog, but - as I clearly stated - I remembered you had what I consider to be an ugly dog in your avatar. I implied nothing about your looks - perhaps you inferred what you did because that's the way your mind operates. You should ask an expert in cognition how that might work.

As for your small-minded bigotry - why don't you remind us all again about your views on, say, muslims, for instance. In fact, don't; no-one wants to hear that sort of hate-filled drivel anyway.