The Indian Trust Fund

[Curious Cdn]

Take it all and give it to the poor, suffering Old Stock Canadians.

How many centuries until we become native, too?

 

[petros]

Can we send Sitting Bull's crew back to the Dakotas yet? I see they have an incentive.

 

[swayel]

info trust money

 

[spilledthebeer]

I do wish my non native friends here in canada had been taught this..instead of always saying mean things thinking their tax $`s are used by my people..not one dime is from their tax dollars..and incom tax has nothing to do with Indians..it came from the 2nd world war..was a war tax and it worked so good for the federal government that they kept it and changed its name to "incom tax" also I should point out that when the CN railroad was built the government stole Indian money to pay for it and never repaid that money to my people..and in 2009 when PM Harpers $22.7-billion stimulus package was handed out to farmers he took it from the Indian moneys and this also has never been paid back..just so every one knows it is not Indians but canada that is behind on its rent.. we have people on reserves living in third world conditions but we are not even aloud to access our own money to fix that problem..its about control and the keeping of power from us..its fear..we are an oppressed people and those who walk with the aliens hoping some how to become lil make believe white folks are all lost idiots..they will be eaten by that system. - Maskikiy Mahihkan

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Oh DEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Such NASTY ANTI WHITE PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Harper was the BEST THING to happen to natives in a LONG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AND Harper was the BEST LEADER for Canada as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is too bad that LIE-berals have LIED so relentlessly about Harper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And it is worse that the silent majority of Cdns were to indifferent to bother fighting the LIE-beral LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Harper was on track to ELIMINATE the corruption that is endemic to native reserves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is NO COINCIDENCE that native suicides SPIKED after Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals took over the govt and natives then found out what a LIE-beral promise is REALLY WORTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



It is NO COINCIDENCE that northern communities with a large native population are now having trouble getting fire insurance because of the number of arson fires!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1



Natives will live out this 21st century in misery unless they get their own house in order and STOP blaming white people for all their CURRENT problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE do not force you to drink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE do not force drugs upon you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We do not order you to drop out of school and refuse to be educated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE cannot be blamed for your status as unskilled and unemployed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



WE do not force you to steal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We do not force you to beat each other!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We accept that white people have in the past done bad things to to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But those bad things ARE IN THE PAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is natives themselves who are DELIBERATELY SCREWING UP THE PRESENT AND THE FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We do not insist that you love white people or even like them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But you MUST FIND some way to relate honestly to modern realities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Twin_Moose]

Cliffy why did the FN sue Ottawa/taxpayers? And not the Queen to get an increase from the the trust fund? The lawsuit is based on the treaty Ok'd by the Queen isn't it?

First Nations win case over $4 benefit

SUDBURY, Ont. - The provincial and federal governments have been short-changing First Nations in Ontario for more than a century, a superior court judge ruled last week as she ordered long-stagnant annual payments be raised.
The court found that the Crown has "a mandatory and reviewable obligation" to increase the annuity under the Robinson-Huron Treaty, which was signed in 1850.
Justice Patricia Hennessy wrote that it's the Crown's duty to fulfil the treaty's promise to increase the payments over time.
"The Treaties were not meant to be the last word on the relationship," she wrote. "Renewal of the relationship was necessary to ensure that both parties could continue to thrive in changing environments."
Hennessy did not say how much the payments should be, noting that there may be further steps and considerations in the implementation of her ruling.
A delegation of 21 First Nations argued in the 2014 lawsuit that it is unfair that the annual payment of $4 to each of its members has not been raised, even though some members have been living in poverty.
Hennessy's decision states that an increase hasn't occurred since 1875, despite the treaty's promise to "increase the collective annuity when economic circumstances warrant."
There are about 30,000 beneficiaries to the Robinson-Huron Treaty in the 21 communities.
The chiefs from the affected territory in northern Ontario have said the Anishinabek people agreed under the treaty to share their lands and resources with newcomers. In return, the Crown would pay annuities that were supposed to increase as the territory generated revenues from forestry, mining and other resource development.
A spokesman for the Ontario government said it's in the process of reviewing the court's decision and declined to say anything further. The federal government also said it was reviewing the ruling, adding it "remains open to discussions with the interested parties."
Ontario NDP legislator Sol Mamakwa, the Opposition's Indigenous relations critic, said the decision is a step forward to reconciliation and he expects a "significant" increase to the annuity.
"Indigenous people have always been treated as second-class citizens in this country," said Mamakwa. "When we think about the resources from the land, it's the livelihood of our culture, it's the livelihood of our people — and I don't think there's a set amount for that, but I think it matters to us."
Mamakwa said the annuity raise would increase access to resources along with programs and services offered in those communities.
Batchewana Chief Dean Sayers said the decision is "huge."
Hennessy said in her decision that the treaty was vague, and could be interpreted in many different ways, but that a payment of $4 per person "suggests that the Treaties were a one-time transaction.
"As the historical and cultural context demonstrates, this was not the case; the parties were and continue to be in an ongoing relationship," she wrote.
Hennessy also said the court and all parties involved in the treaty should develop processes and procedures for the "modern era" on how to move forward with the payment increases.

Another judge injecting her opinion on a treaty signed 170 years ago with todays standards, what implication will this have on the rest of the treaties? What will this cost us?

 

[spilledthebeer]

A quick google search says you are full of shit the only thing that even comes close to verifying your post is this

First Nations Trust Fund as of March 31, 2009 information from AANDC web site

And it could only come up with

With oral history and broken links in the article

Any other links on google are all from Oral history based on an American lawsuit

Native cheats and vote buying LIE-berals LOVE that "Oral History"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It lets them present self serving CRAP as gospel truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals accept that "oral history" as truth because it buys them native votes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!












Here is another article illustrating the politically correct madness LIE-berals have unleashed with their self serving, vote buying at any price, idiot version of truth and justice- in their loathsome pursuit of power at any price. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Manitoba Hells Angels president compares 'no gang colour' policy to discrimination under the Indian Act

cbc.ca. Caroline Barghout

Winnipeg Nomads president Dale Kelland is calling on members to fight back against what he calls 'discrimination' after customers wearing the Hells Angels' trademark logos were turned away from a Winnipeg business.

The president of the Manitoba Nomads, a local chapter of the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club, is comparing a Winnipeg business's "no gang colour" policy — which resulted in customers wearing the biker gang's trademark logos being turned away — to the discrimination Indigenous Canadians faced under the Indian Act.

(HAHAHAHA!!! And I bet the criminal biker made that accusation with a straight face as well! Such is the LIE-beral madness of our times that vicious thugs whine about discrimination- “Me too” style!)

But a Toronto-based lawyer and author says it's the gang that may be breaking the law, through their recent online targeting of the businesses.

"This treatment of Canadians was wrong then and it's wrong now," Nomads president Dale Kelland wrote on his Facebook page, where he cited an 1884 amendment to the Indian Act that made it a felony for Indigenous people to enter a licensed establishment.

A number of local Indigenous organizations declined to comment on Kelland's claims.

(Yeah- I bet the locals don’t want to be involved- nobody likes to be laughed at!)

Dale Kelland took to Facebook this week to share a link to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. He compared a business's 'no gang colours' policy to discrimination under the Indian Act.

(WE all know that many natives suffered- and continue to suffer- horribly due to their difficulties handling alcohol! Alcohol and drug fueled violence and suicide are epidemic on reserves as repeated CBC news reports tell us! In the 19th century it was common for entire tribes to end up starving because they went on a huge alcohol fueled bender and missed the essential and traditional yearly chance to harvest assorted migrating species such as Salmon and Caribou- miss the migration while in a drunken stupor and death by starvation became a very real threat in the old days- hence the sensible choice to BAR natives from bars! A sober native AVOIDS starvation!)

Kelland is better known as Dale Donovan — a full-patch Hells Angel, the highest rank in the gang — who's been convicted of a number of crimes including conspiracy to commit an indictable offence, and trying to recruit gang members into a criminal organization. In 2009 he was sentenced to eight years in prison for his role in a drug trafficking operation.

Kelland didn't respond to multiple CBC News requests for an interview about the online campaign he launched against two local businesses he believed had a "no gang colours" policy.

(And no doubt hypocrite LIE-berals will not be rushing to defend the guy either! Even idiot LIE-berals know a hopeless cause when they see it- though they are un- likely to shut down the gang/native campaign as LIE-berals do so enjoy BUYING native votes, so too much LIE-beral scorn for Kelland would be unseemly as Cdn natives have come to expect fawning servility from LIE-berals!)

As CBC News recently reported, he urged members to boycott businesses that had turned away those wearing gang colours, and urged them to leave one-star reviews of the businesses on social media.

The Nomads president has now taken to social media to rally members in support of his calls to end what he called "discrimination."

(This is the natural result of LIE-beral wedge politics- playing one group off against another for LIE-beral fun and profit!)

"I don't think the Hells Angels are gonna get very far with that," said Warren Kinsella, a visiting professor in the University of Calgary's faculty of law.

But Kinsella, who is a Toronto-based lawyer and author, said businesses have the right to exclude anyone from their establishments.

"That right exists … [but] they're not allowed to do that on the basis of race or religion or disability or something like that," said Kinsella.

(And WHO is going to stop them? LIE-berals RELEASED 7 ACCUSED KILLERS in summer 2017 due to courts being so over crowded! They also released 4 men accused of stealing $44 million dollars in fraud cases- no charges there either- court are too busy to deal with all criminals- so dump some charges!)

Kinsella had never heard of a criminal organization banding together to give businesses one-star reviews on social media. He said while that might appear almost comical, it's not.

"This is not just a bad review, it's a bad review on steroids. It has a menacing overtone," he said.

He said words have different meanings coming out of different mouths, recalling an incident several years ago outside an Ottawa courthouse.

Kinsella had testified at a hate trial. As he was walking out of the courthouse with police, a skinhead walked by and said Kinsella's home address.

"That's all he said — he didn't say anything else."

Kinsella said police phoned him that night and told him they were arresting the skinhead because his words amounted to a threat.

(And how many people recall the campaign mounted by jailed Hells Angles leader “Mom” Bouchard- in which he made it his business to find the homes of ALL the guards working at his prison- and he was NOT planning to send Christmas presents to guards who refused him special privileges! Hells Angles are a truly vicious organized crime gang that has spread like a cancer across North America!)

He wonders if the Hells Angels' social media attacks on the Manitoba businesses could also be considered a crime.

"I think the emotional and psychological impact of hundreds of Hells Angels members going after your business, even if they're not standing there in the lobby — you know, wearing their leather jackets and looking threatening — even if they're not doing that, I would imagine for these businesses it is quite intimidating and quite upsetting," said Kinsella.

He said police in Winnipeg should take a hard look at Kelland and the other Hells Angels who posted reviews, because if they did it to threaten or intimidate a business, their actions won't be protected under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

(Oh? Want to bet LIE-berals are far more interested in using our scarce legal resources to punish “Islamophobes” such as the Misssissauga man they arrested because he DARED to offer a thousand dollars to anybody who could provide verified proof of hate speech being used in Mosques- yes- in LIE-beral Canada it is now illegal to ask for proof of things LIE-berals do not want us to talk about! LIE-berals have their priorities and we can count on them to ignore criminal bikers merely whining about no service at a restaurant!)

"What if this is not just a one off? What if this is the beginning of a strategy for these guys? It's a strategy that could have an impact on a lot of people's bottom line," Kinsella said.

(Such policy IS working for Black Lives Matter bigots who are trying hard to persuade us that cops are cruelly picking on blacks- while the radicals IGNORE the criminal behaviour of those allegedly “victimized” blacks they seek to defend- its all about insulting white people and neutering cops and stifling the rule of law and such a thing would be pleasing to Hells Angels as well!)

"If it's the beginning of a trend, it's something that people in politics, and bureaucrats and police and the Crown need to look at, to see if this is the start of something far more sinister."

(LIE-berals are behind this surge in idiot accusations! What else should we expect form idiots who are convinced they can buy votes and cling to power by sucking up to the most radical and irresponsible members of our society?)

Mike Desautels, supervising senior Crown in the Manitoba Prosecution Service's criminal organization unit, said the province has the legislative toolkit to go after gang members.

(But that will NOT happen as LIE-berals are totally focussed on other issues such as convincing the public that the teeming tens of thousands of illegals coming to Canada will not really break our social safety net with their needs! And since that is exactly what IS happening- LIE-berals will have a major propaganda job on their hands trying to limit public anger- with no time to waste protecting small biz that LIE-berals SCORN as “tax cheats” anyway!)

"In this sense it isn't about adding more offences to the Criminal Code. We have to use the provisions that we have and that is largely dependent on the nature and quality of the evidence that we have available," he said.

(And on the will of prosecutors and judges- all guided by LIE-beral priorities!)

Desautels worked on a number of cases involving gang members and said section 467 of the Criminal Code sets out the offences designed to combat criminal organizations.

"A person can be convicted of some of the criminal-organization offences without actually being proven to be a member of the criminal organization — an association is enough," he said.

In 2010 the province seized the Hells Angels' clubhouse in Winnipeg under the Criminal Property Forfeiture Act, and later sold it.

Last year, a judge gave police permission to destroy the contents found within it, including 100 Hells Angels Winnipeg greeting cards, T-shirts and ball caps.

A spokesperson for Canada's Department of Justice said last October a private member's bill (Bill C-349) was defeated in Parliament that would have made it a criminal offense to wear the emblem of a listed criminal organization.

(No doubt LIE-berals saw the danger in such a move to ban illegal symbols- after all many Cdns think Hezzbollah and Hamas are criminal and terrorist organizations and they might be caught up in the proposed law- and that would hurt LIE-berals and the Muslims voters who support them!)

"There are no plans at this time to amend the Criminal Code in this regard," the spokesperson said in an email.

(No- LIE-berals are far too busy rigging jury selection so that accused native drunken thieves like Coulton Boushie and his pals do not face real justice!)

 

[spilledthebeer]

Cliffy why did the FN sue Ottawa/taxpayers? And not the Queen to get an increase from the the trust fund? The lawsuit is based on the treaty Ok'd by the Queen isn't it?

First Nations win case over $4 benefit



Another judge injecting her opinion on a treaty signed 170 years ago with todays standards, what implication will this have on the rest of the treaties? What will this cost us?

It is the usual LIE-beral judge LUNATIC THINKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The old treaties said NOTHING about providing schools and hospitals and transfer payments for building roads and houses!!!!!!!!!!


Natives were expected to handle that themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1



Indian Affairs Ministry is spending well over $13 billion dollars per year on various benefits for natives- NONE OF WHICH WERE MANDATED IN THE OLD TREATIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Another example would be the HUNDREDS of people evacuated from Kashetchewan Reserve every spring- and flown to North Bay and other more southern towns and supplied with hotel rooms and meals till the ANNUAL FLOODING ABATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In the old says Crees living in the Kashetchewan area simply packed up and headed to higher grown- on their own time and on their own dime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



This is all just LIE-berals shamelessly BUYING votes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

 

[MHz]

On the case it took to decide that how much did Lawyers and the Courts make?? The better solution is to have the accounts that is money the Indians monitored by professional who are paid to have the Indians best interests at heart rather than the industry that sets the regulations for themselves.

The Canadian Government is the Queen's Representative, we are all subjects of the Crown, so is the Queen as the Crown to be afraid of is in the City of London and the BAR is their servant.

 

[MHz]

Another example would be the HUNDREDS of people evacuated from Kashetchewan Reserve every spring- and flown to North Bay and other more southern towns and supplied with hotel rooms and meals till the ANNUAL FLOODING ABATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the old says Crees living in the Kashetchewan area simply packed up and headed to higher grown- on their own time and on their own dime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really?? Somebody should start a thread, Right??