The "honorable" Rev. Ted A. Haggard

[The Project Man]

How will this one be played?
Will he back peddle and say he was set-up by the evil-doers in this word out to get him?
If so, will his congregation back him?

OR

Will he come 100% clean on all counts?
If so, will his congregation accept his repentance to his sins?

To this point he has spun a web in which he has become entangled....

My opinion can be clearly seen in this video I made...

What is yours?

 

[CDNBear]

How will this one be played?
Will he back peddle and say he was set-up by the evil-doers in this word out to get him?
If so, will his congregation back him?

OR

Will he come 100% clean on all counts?
If so, will his congregation accept his repentance to his sins?

To this point he has spun a web in which he has become entangled....

My opinion can be clearly seen in this video I made...

What is yours?

AWSOME VIDEO!!!!

Agree whole heartedly!

The hypocracy is a stain on the morally bankrupt elitist faith peddlers.

 

[Curiosity]

Um I think he resigned yesterday....

He is still denying what his "outing" friend claimed - which isn't very healthy for him personally - but maybe to protect his five children.

What a mixed up life a bi-sexual can have - especially one who preaches about sin when his congregation believes what he was up to is a big-time one.

Think he should have gone for his own confessional long ago....

 

[The Project Man]

THIS JUST IN! EXTRA EXTRA! 12: news

The "REV" has just released a statement about him admitting to "immoral" acts, what is his definition of "immoral" kind of like Clinton's definition of what "is" is.

He has asked for god's grace. Will god smite or grace him?

 

[catman]

I've always wondered about certain religious types that are constantly lecturing about the evils of homosexuality and how the thought of it is repulsive. There lies the problem. They are constantly thinking about it. While I might think homosexuality is repulsive I don't have a problem with it because I just don't think about it. If you find that you are indeed thinking about it a lot you might want to do a little soul searching.

 

[CDNBear]

I have often thought that their outward hatred was a guise for their inner feelings.

 

[The Project Man]

I am hoping that this guy had the sense to record a " " massage with this A-hole. You have to wonder. The guy is worth alot of money. If Mike "the massuere" was as spiteful as a woman; yes i mean that, throw your daggers, he would have set this guy up big time. Wait for the book, but watch for the video. If there is a god "LET IT BE SO", oh and "IT WAS GOOD", oh yah this one too, "Smite him almighty Smiter!".

 

[EastSideScotian]

TPM
You should be a little more Respectful towards God, There are quite a few Christains on this Forum, that could take offense to your scarcasim.

As for the Preacher, He is what we all are a human, and what do we do ? well we mess up sometimes, and we deal with temptation. You are non religious so who are you to judge him? You have no relation with God from what I can tell there for your comments on his actions and how he will be treated by God are moot. You may share your Opinion, sladering him because he is religious (which is what you are doing) is hateful, and Spritual, religious non religious we as humans should not hate, Regardless. As for him being Smited, it doesnt work that way, and you cant rightfuly Judge him thats for God to decide, If you feel God does not exsit that is excellent for you, so you can keep God out of your opinion.

As a man Haggard was a preacher, he led many to God, However he has done some wrong things, he has confessed and asked for Forgivness from his Followers, which Iam sure he will be granted. He has stepped down from his position which was the proper thing to do he has told his story, of what happend, and thats all he can do. Having a feild day because you think someone who is religious can do no wrong is....%100 incorrect, he is still a man like all of us, and faces all the same things we do, he should have more control given what he preaches it is true, but actting like he is a Phoney or God doesnt exsit becuse he is bi or gay or a purple space monster is foolish. So by all means Laugh it up and take your shots. But understand that religion only goes so far with out own choices and actions, he is human before all other things.

You obviously have no grasp on religion and human emotion and control, we only try to be religious we arent religous understand...so back off on the God and Religion because his actions were human no God, or anything that the religon teaches so tryign to take them down a peg has no meaning.

Thank you.

 

[CDNBear]

TPM
You should be a little more Respectful towards God, There are quite a few Christains on this Forum, that could take offense to your scarcasim.

As for the Preacher, He is what we all are a human, and what do we do ? well we mess up sometimes, and we deal with temptation. You are non religious so who are you to judge him? You have no relation with God from what I can tell there for your comments on his actions and how he will be treated by God are moot. You may share your Opinion, sladering him because he is religious (which is what you are doing) is hateful, and Spritual, religious non religious we as humans should not hate, Regardless. As for him being Smited, it doesnt work that way, and you cant rightfuly Judge him thats for God to decide, If you feel God does not exsit that is excellent for you, so you can keep God out of your opinion.

As a man Haggard was a preacher, he led many to God, However he has done some wrong things, he has confessed and asked for Forgivness from his Followers, which Iam sure he will be granted. He has stepped down from his position which was the proper thing to do he has told his story, of what happend, and thats all he can do. Having a feild day because you think someone who is religious can do no wrong is....%100 incorrect, he is still a man like all of us, and faces all the same things we do, he should have more control given what he preaches it is true, but actting like he is a Phoney or God doesnt exsit becuse he is bi or gay or a purple space monster is foolish. So by all means Laugh it up and take your shots. But understand that religion only goes so far with out own choices and actions, he is human before all other things.

You obviously have no grasp on religion and human emotion and control, we only try to be religious we arent religous understand...so back off on the God and Religion because his actions were human no God, or anything that the religon teaches so tryign to take them down a peg has no meaning.

Thank you.

I think maybe you missed TPM's messege or maybe i did. Personnaly, I tend to agree with his cynacism. This man has preached to thousnds if not hundreds of thousands about homosexuality being a mortal sin. Only to be gay himself. I have no problem with his sexuality, as do most, we have a problem with the depth and depravity of his hypocracy.

That deserves all the sarcasm it can garner.

I love your sig, btw.

 

[EastSideScotian]

I think maybe you missed TPM's messege or maybe i did. Personnaly, I tend to agree with his cynacism. This man has preached to thousnds if not hundreds of thousands about homosexuality being a mortal sin. Only to be gay himself. I have no problem with his sexuality, as do most, we have a problem with the depth and depravity of his hypocracy.

That deserves all the sarcasm it can garner.

I love your sig, btw.

Thanks.

Yes what he did was wrong, and being a Hypcrite was wrong, but his actions dont have play on religion. He was a bad seed, he did however do some good things. I myself dont have an issue with Hommosexual marrage or hommosexuals anything, Iam not for preaching against them. It is who they are. Point is however he is a Christain, and I am sure he will take full responsiblity for his action as he should. I am also sure he wont blame evryone else. Regardless of his mistake and hypocracy He is just a man and he can be confussed as easily as anyone about their personal life and sexual orintaion, He simply Preached what he feels was right, while personally being a mess now surely dont have to be a man of God to do that, anyone can, and he should be treated like anyone else. God and religion dont have play in it.

 

[CDNBear]

Thanks.

Yes what he did was wrong, and being a Hypcrite was wrong, but his actions dont have play on religion. He was a bad seed, he did however do some good things. I myself dont have an issue with Hommosexual marrage or hommosexuals anything, Iam not for preaching against them. It is who they are. Point is however he is a Christain, and I am sure he will take full responsiblity for his action as he should. I am also sure he wont blame evryone else. Regardless of his mistake and hypocracy He is just a man and he can be confussed as easily as anyone about their personal life and sexual orintaion, He simply Preached what he feels was right, while personally being a mess now surely dont have to be a man of God to do that, anyone can, and he should be treated like anyone else. God and religion dont have play in it.

I dissagree, he preached hate from the pulpit, he was in a position of authority and used God as a weapon on a group of people he not omly seeming despised, but was a part of. He brought God into the messege with his position and ammo. Now the cat is out of the closet, you can not(IMHO), remove God from the context of the arguement. This man worked in the name of God, hated in the name of God, and will sure not fall on his sword in the name of God. It is to convenient to remove God now.

 

[EastSideScotian]

I dissagree, he preached hate from the pulpit, he was in a position of authority and used God as a weapon on a group of people he not omly seeming despised, but was a part of. He brought God into the messege with his position and ammo. Now the cat is out of the closet, you can not(IMHO), remove God from the context of the arguement. This man worked in the name of God, hated in the name of God, and will sure not fall on his sword in the name of God. It is to convenient to remove God now.

I see what you are saying and I agree with that STance, well put.

What Iam trying to convey is that, it is not God who controled his actions, it was him. Basicly, hopefully that clears me up, but bashing God due to his actions is not fair.

Your my favorite perason to argue with BTW.

 

[CDNBear]

I see what you are saying and I agree with that STance, well put.

What Iam trying to convey is that, it is not God who controled his actions, it was him. Basicly, hopefully that clears me up, but bashing God due to his actions is not fair.

Your my favorite perason to argue with BTW.

Thanx EastSide, I appreciate the compliment. Why can I discuss or even heatedly argue with some, but with others it dives into a who's dink is bigger contest?

True enough, God had no hand in his actions or his ministry, at least not the God I learnd about years ago. Even though I am not a Christian, I would not denigrate the religion. It is not without its merits.

but unfortunetly, poor God is going to get hit with shrapnel, in any arguement dealing with people abusing his teachings and manipulating the very ideology that goes hand in hand with his name.

 

[The Project Man]

Thanks.

Yes what he did was wrong, and being a Hypcrite was wrong, but his actions dont have play on religion. He was a bad seed, he did however do some good things. I myself dont have an issue with Hommosexual marrage or hommosexuals anything, Iam not for preaching against them. It is who they are. Point is however he is a Christain, and I am sure he will take full responsiblity for his action as he should. I am also sure he wont blame evryone else. Regardless of his mistake and hypocracy He is just a man and he can be confussed as easily as anyone about their personal life and sexual orintaion, He simply Preached what he feels was right, while personally being a mess now surely dont have to be a man of God to do that, anyone can, and he should be treated like anyone else. God and religion dont have play in it.

We completely differ on this one my friend.

The human being issue. jesus the christ was human. Not to my knowledge did he have homosexual experiences. Plus his father condemned such things. The god to whom haggard based his very belief system and outragious point of view on does bring religion into the discussion. Though not by me. If you look at my original post, there is no slight to christians, just to the mans actions. Also jesus himself pointed out the shortcomings of ALL men, if he did not then what was his point? Also, haggard being human should have taken that very fact into account before he opened his mouth.

God or no god, it is a moral issue. I point out as many hypocrits as possible. Not the morality of sexual preference. The morality of his "Jesus Christ Pose"(Soundgarden D TY)), and demoralizing the actions of others when he was a participant in before mentioned actions.

Haggard is a blite on the congregation for whom he had "performed". The crime is taking advantage of people, in the worst way, physical posessions can be requiped. As far as trust, never in your long life abuse the trust of another human being. Trust busting is the worst offense, a person gives themselves fully when then instill trust. When you phuck with that, you yourself are p****ed. ( in this case it was a drug dealing massuese...........LMMFAO!)

When the christian "rapture" comes may haggard be bypassed. When the christian "tribulation" comes may he live a biblical 1000 years to suffer every day of it.

thank you,

by the way check out my vid!

 

[humanbeing]

First he chases Richard Dawkins off his lawn, now this...

Oh well, hopefully he'll be off his high horse for now on at the very least.

 

[#juan]

Haggert could borrow the defence from Jim Baker, another TV preacher who strayed from the righteous path a few years ago. Baker said,"The devil made me do it." He still went to jail but it was good try.