The fireball of Canada

[darkbeaver]

In the Electric Universe view, any object coming far from the earth will carry a different charge. As it encounters lower layers of the Earth's plasma sheath, the voltage between the object and the layer could abruptly increase and the object begin to visibly discharge.​

At first it would be surrounded by a “glow discharge”, a diffuse luminescence similar to St. Elmo’s fire or to high-altitude “elves”. As the voltage rises, the discharge would jump to “arc” mode and the object would become an electrode at the focus of upper-atmospheric charge. At this point material would begin to ablate in a sputtering process as well as from velocity-caused air friction.​

If the current flow becomes too extreme, capacitive discharges within the meteor will cause a violent outburst of electricity with sudden bright flashes. The meteor is now called a "bolide," or flaring meteor.



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[eanassir]

Was it a comet or a meteorite?​

At the start, I thought it was a comet, and then I thought it was a meteorite, but things have become more and more clear to me that it might be a comet.​

One of my friends who read the "The Universe and the Quran" book by the late interpreter Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, disputed with me about this fireball, and our conversation was like this:​

I said: "This is almost a comet; because:
It came on Canada, which is almost a cold region; particularly this fireball came in winter and at night when the cold is more. Moreover, Canada has been the site of observing many fireballs; like this one:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast01jun_1m.htm
On January 18, 2000, residents of Western Canada were surprised when a fireball as bright as the Sun streaked across the morning sky. Exploding with an estimated yield of 5-10 thousand tons of TNT, the brilliant meteor attracted the attention of defense satellites, seismic monitoring stations, and just about anyone who happened to be standing outdoors within 700-800 km of the dazzling meteor's path."​

He said: "No, this is mostly a meteorite; because it is not so disastrous; compared to the event of Tunguska.
Moreover, it has many fragments; therefore, it is almost a meteorite."​

I said: "It could be a small comet or part of a comet; because the comet sometimes divides into many parts."​

He said: "No, I think it is a meteorite; because the comet should be accompanied by burns and some atomic activity (retaining some of such atomic activity of the sun); like the Tunguska object. And there will be roaring sounds like thunder."​

I said: "There have been such sounds, and the sound of explosions."​

Then I said: " This fireball had a sharp light that illuminated a large area changing the night into day, and the sounds of many explosions and especially the bright light of this fireball may go along with the description of the comet in the Quran; like this aya 86: 1-3 ​

وَالسَّمَاء وَالطَّارِقِ . وَمَا أَدْرَاكَ مَا الطَّارِقُ . النَّجْمُ الثَّاقِبُ​

The explanation:
( [I swear] by the sky [of Nineveh] and [its] ‘night visitant’!
But can you imagine what a ‘night visitant’ [that was!?]
It was the [tailed-]star with sharp brilliancy [: the flaming comet.] )​

It means: the flaming comet.

http://universeandquran.t35.com/new_page_3.htm#Comets​

He said: "But there should be one or more craters in case it was a comet, and the comet will bury under the ground; while the meteorite will remain on the surface of the earth."​

I said: "This is true, and we shall wait and see whether they will find such craters or not."​

eanassir
http://universeandquran.t35.com​

 

[hermanntrude]

also if it was a comet we would have seen it coming AND it would have been much much larger

 

[eanassir]

also if it was a comet we would have seen it coming AND it would have been much much larger

Not necessarily.
Not necessarily we would have seen it coming: many of comets appear all of a sudden, and many of them are hiding or slinking; and there are much many comets.

And about the size of the comet, it should certainly be larger; but it may be part of a comet; because the comet sometimes divides like what happened to the nucleus of some recent and famous comets (I am not certain which it was; when its nucleus divided); I say may be it was a comet: I am not certain.

 

[hermanntrude]

I think it;d be very unlikely for us not to see it. Comets usually develop large tails before they even reach the orbit of mars. However, i'm sure you're right that it's possible. And as you say it could have been a fragment of a comet. I think a fragment of a comet would be a lot like a meteorite, except more watery and less dense.

 

[eanassir]

I think it;d be very unlikely for us not to see it. Comets usually develop large tails before they even reach the orbit of mars. However, i'm sure you're right that it's possible. And as you say it could have been a fragment of a comet. I think a fragment of a comet would be a lot like a meteorite, except more watery and less dense.

Less dense may be; and may contain H2 and Oxygen as seen by the spectroscopy.

 

[darkbeaver]

When comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 broke apart, astronomers reasoned that the fractured nucleus would expose fresh ices that would sublimate furiously. So several ground-based telescopes and the Hubble Space Telescope trained their spectroscopes on the tails of the fragments of SL-9, looking for traces of volatile gases. None of the gases were found.​

But an interesting event occurred while the Hubble Telescope was observing one of the larger fragments (fragment G) on July 14, 1994. The telescope observed a 2-minute long outburst of emission from ionized magnesium followed 20 minutes later by a 3-fold increase in the sunlight scattered by the dust. During the outburst, the color of the reflected sunlight also changed dramatically, brightening much more at longer wavelengths (red end of the rainbow) than at shorter wavelengths (blue end of the rainbow).​

Outbursts like these (electric discharge), rather than subliming ices, are how Electric Universe theory expects comet tails to be produced. Because electric discharges are capable of removing solid material from surfaces, no volatiles are necessary, not on the surface and not in the core of the nucleus. The comet will produce a tail when its electrical stress reaches the critical point at which its plasma sheath begins to glow, no matter what its composition.


What's in a Comet's Tail​

 

[eanassir]

When comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 broke apart, astronomers reasoned that the fractured nucleus would expose fresh ices that would sublimate furiously. So several ground-based telescopes and the Hubble Space Telescope trained their spectroscopes on the tails of the fragments of SL-9, looking for traces of volatile gases. None of the gases were found.​

But an interesting event occurred while the Hubble Telescope was observing one of the larger fragments (fragment G) on July 14, 1994. The telescope observed a 2-minute long outburst of emission from ionized magnesium followed 20 minutes later by a 3-fold increase in the sunlight scattered by the dust. During the outburst, the color of the reflected sunlight also changed dramatically, brightening much more at longer wavelengths (red end of the rainbow) than at shorter wavelengths (blue end of the rainbow).​

Outbursts like these (electric discharge), rather than subliming ices, are how Electric Universe theory expects comet tails to be produced. Because electric discharges are capable of removing solid material from surfaces, no volatiles are necessary, not on the surface and not in the core of the nucleus. The comet will produce a tail when its electrical stress reaches the critical point at which its plasma sheath begins to glow, no matter what its composition.​

What's in a Comet's Tail​

The electricity is prevalent in the entire universe: the positive and negative charges of the proton and the electron …etc.

But there may be another better way of explanation of the subject of the comet.

So here, in the link that you DB have given, it is proved by this division of the nucleus of comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 that there is no ice included inside the body of the comet.

While there may be water vapor in the tail of the comet; as seen in some previous observations of many comets: that there are hydrogen and OH in addition to many other substances like sodium.

Moreover, most of astronomers think that comets are coming from the Kuipper belt; this may be wrong: ​

• the large number of these comets
• and their consistency may point to their origin from the sun: as some big sparks: the size of each is like the size of a big castle [of kings].

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This is in the aya77: 32-34

إنّها تَرْمِي بِشَرَرٍ كَالقَصْرِ . كَأنّهُ جِمالَتٌ صُفْرٌ . وَيْلٌ يَوْمَئذٍ لِلمُكَذِّبِينَ . ​

The explanation:
(It [:Hell] shoots sparks like the castle.
As it might be yellow thick ropes [of ships.]
Woe, on that day, to the deniers [of the Judgment Day.] )

The interpretation:
>> (It) means: Hell, and Hell is the sun,
>> (shoots sparks like the castle) means: the size of each one of these sparks which Hell throws out in the space is like the size of one of some large constructed palaces; and its sparks, actually, are the comets."

In this case: ​

• The consistency of the comet will be like that of the sun,

• There is no ice in the comet,

• And comets are fire bodies hurled out of the sun in high speeds,

• And the tail consists of gases (not emitted) but attracted to the body of the comet by the gravity of the latter;

• This tail will be away from the sun, because of the repelling between the sun and the hot tail of the comet,

• And comets will have the known affinity or predilection to fall on the frozen and cold regions of the earth.

And this is an outstanding observation: most of such fireballs come on the frozen and very cold regions of the earth.
http://universeandquran.t35.com/new_page_3.htm#Comets

This can be explained and verified by such an explanation rather than anyone else.

Moreover, if it is true that the ice starts to sublimate at such distance (between Mars and Jupiter), why do we see ice on the poles of Mars which is nearer than the distance where the comet is supposed to sublimate its ice?

In addition, why doesn't the ice sublimate anywhere? Isn't it sublimation and not evaporation?

Why doesn't it occur in the space when there is almost no air and the surrounding external pressure is zero? The sublimation here needs not any heat of the sun to take place.

But actually the large number of comets in all the solar systems with their so many impact craters on Moons and the near planets to the sun indicate that almost the origin of comets is from the sun itself.


eanassir
http://universeandquran.t35.com ​

 

[eanassir]

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The comet and the trees​

This is concerning their search about some crater that this object has left behind: using the technique of the LiDAR:
http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=d487af17-7058-4086-ae9f-dbae8afd83ba​

"You can just extract all the vegetation in a virtual sense, leaving the bare surface behind, and that exposes the crater in beautiful detail for us," said Herd.
Already used for forestry surveys, a laser mounted in an aircraft is beamed at the ground. The technology allows researchers to strip off the images of trees, leaving the crater exposed.
Herd said the new technology could lead to more crater discoveries, which would facilitate further research on the solar system."

What is important here is the existence of trees in the area, and we remember here the Tunguska event which occurred in an area full of millions of trees.
See here the trees in the Tunguska region fallen fan-shaped:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap071114.html

God - be glorified - said in the Quran 55: 6​

وَالنَّجْمُ وَالشَّجَرُ يَسْجُدَانِ​

The explanation:
(The [tailed-] stars and the trees fall down [in adoration; being faraway and nearby objects.] )​

The ‘falling down in adoration’, here, is the obedience and falling down upon the Earth. And there is correlation here between the falling of the comet and the trees in the area where it falls.

http://universeandquran.t35.com/new_page_3.htm#The_Comet_of_Tunguska



eanassir
http://universeandquran.t35.com ​

 

[darkbeaver]

The cold regions of earth are near the magnetic poles. Comets are electrically charged.

 

[eanassir]

The cold regions of earth are near the magnetic poles. Comets are electrically charged.

Electricity and heat are two aspects of one coin: the energy; each kind of energy may be transformed into some other kinds of energy. Things that you may explain by electricity may be explained by heat or magnetism or atomic cause. All substances are composed of atoms: protons and electrons.​

Although the idea of electricity is correct, its application may not be right.

And it could be true that the comet is electrically charged; but the other explanations are not convincing.

Moreover, although it is right that comets do not include ice, but some astronomers could not free themselves of deeming that comets come from outside the solar system: from the region of the Kuipper belt. They cannot imagine and have no such idea that comets in fact come from the sun itself.​

In addition, astronomers – in general – have no clear distinction between the asteroid and the comet;
while in fact the comet is a part that is hurled-out of the sun,
but the asteroid is a part of some planets that had broken up in the past. ​

(However the constituents of the sun are the same as those of planets and asteroids; because the planets originally were a sun, which cooled down and became an earth with a thin crust, which then exploded and broke up into nine pieces: the present Earth and planets.)

Although the comet may cool down gradually and may turn into some rocks that may be similar in some respects to the meteorite or asteroid.​

http://universeandquran.t35.com/new_page_3.htm#Comets

Some comets have been found with only a thin external shell and an empty internal part. ​

When Earth (and some other planets) stops its axial rotation (following its depletion of its internal heat):
the side which faces the sun will have a perpetual day,
and the opposite side of the Earth will have a perpetual night where the temperature will extremely drop down and it will be very cold.

And so this cold side, having the perpetual night, will be vulnerable to the falling of large number of comets at that time (similar to what happened to Mercury, Venus and our Moon).

God – be glorified – threatened the disbelievers of such disastrous falling of the comets in the future when Earth will stop its axial rotation.
http://universeandquran.t35.com/new_page_4.htm#Falling_of_the_Comets_Down_upon_the_Earth_​

This is in the aya 53: 1-2​

وَالنَّجْمِ إِذَا هَوَى . مَا ضَلَّ صَاحِبُكُمْ وَمَا غَوَى ...الخ​

The explanation:
(By the comet when it will fall down [upon the earth!]​

Your comrade [Mohammed] has not misled, neither has he seduced [anyone from the right way,]​

Nor speaks he out of caprice.​

It [: the Quran] is not but a revelation [from God], that is being revealed [to him by Gabriel, the angel.] )​

eanassir
http://universeandquran.t35.com ​

 

[L Gilbert]

You are still spreading nonsense I see.
Very little of what you post has any relevance to reality. And there is a reason why people like Dex and myself keep saying the same things: it is because science deals with reality, unlike your interpretation of the Koran, which seems to favor fantasy.

 

[darkbeaver]

You are still spreading nonsense I see.
Very little of what you post has any relevance to reality. And there is a reason why people like Dex and myself keep saying the same things: it is because science deals with reality, unlike your interpretation of the Koran, which seems to favor fantasy.

Look, Les can't you cut us less vaunted members a little slack.You and Dex and Herm are obviously astronomical units ahead in your thinking while us ordinary mortals are reduced to swapping anecdotes of the common type to sooth our fears and try to attain just a tiny vision of the majestic intellect we are enveloped in thanks to the charity of yourself and your aformentioned learned comrades. Have mercy on us, we have not been equaly gifted by his/her radiance and are condemned to wallow in ignorance all the days of our lives.;-)

 

[L Gilbert]

No problem, Beav. I can be perfectly patient with people who are willing to learn or instruct, but I find it very difficult to be patient with people who repeat by rote and ignore facts. eannassir constantly ignores facts, scientific laws, dismisses evidence, and spews the same gibberish from an obviously warped interpretation of the Koran. Then he says that we just accept what we have been told while he is doing the exact same thing he accuses us of doing. He doesn't challenge what he reads. On the other hand, I have challenged many times, things that I have read about science. I would make a bet that Dex, Herm, and Ton have done the same.

 

[darkbeaver]

As always the very apex of sobriety Les. I know I will try harder to match the scientific ideal in the new year.