Point the finger at the left for not protesting oppressive regimes?
Hell I point the finger at the left for SUPPORTING oppressive regimes. :wave:
Hell I point the finger at the left for SUPPORTING oppressive regimes. :wave:
The Failings of the Modern Left
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The left is just as bad as the right for allowing terrible regimes to proliferate, firebombing people, toxifying soil and using terrible weapons. Trying to blame everything on "neo-cons" is just as dishonest as trying to blame everything on "leftists".
The fact is that highly industrial societies are using lower-industrialized societies to artificially inflate their standard of living. Playing the blame game doesn't change that and until the so-called left comes up with an alternative to the status quo, their fingerpointing is just as silly as the right's finger pointing.
So explain to me the difference between...
Struggling GM, Ford and Crysler vs. Trumping the market Honda, Toyota, Nissan, when as you say, their employees enjoy their salaries at the cost of the socialist movement, but their day has no gone.
So why is it the big non union three are on top, while the big unionized three are falling and fast?
Socialism is crap. It kills free thought, it kills economies, it kills people.
As much as I do love a good hearty bowl of Beaver Tail stew, I'm afraid you've expiry date is way past healthy consumption.
And the right-wing didn't support Pinochet, Pahlavi, Cerezo, Iraq in the 80's, etc...
I hope you have your other finger pointed at them as well...
The wages must be competative, the union shops set the benchmarks, GM, Ford and Crysler make inferior products and have bad management. Those employees of the Asian three enjoy thier salaries because of the work of unionists, all of the benifits and wages were pioneered and fought for, if it wern't for the labour movement none of the social programes we enjoy today would exist.Socialism is a direct result of freedom and free thought, it's effect on economies is better distribution of the wealth of production that means wages and benifits to you and me ,if you were a wealthy industrialist I could understand you crapping on socialism, if you're blue collar like me it's a form of suicide to crap on the hand that feeds you, that hand is yours not the owners who would gladly pay you nothing and make you sleep in a shack outside the plant gates. Capitalisms history of murdering the working class is documented in ten thousand tomes, it's not even an arguable point, the rise of labour unions and socialism were in the most part a method of the common working man and woman getting and keeping a fair wage in safe conditions. Socialism has been used by murderous regimes but murder is not designed into socialism any more that it is designed into a bicycle, capitalism however is another matter. If you believe the days of unions and socialism have past then you must also believe the rich will take care of you, good luck with that, it's happened about as many times as Jesus was born. United we stand divided we fall.
You're soo right about my crusty old tail you'd have to boil it for days and the dogs would puke.:laughing7::laughing7::wave:
Up to this time, I thought that this was exclusively so in the USA. I had absolutely no idea that Canadian right wingers were that way as well. Like USA Republicans, it appears that Canada's right wingers will never accept responsibility for the problems they create. Somehow, the blame needs to be projected unto somebody else.
By contrast, here in the USA, it is the Demnocrats who always need to sweep the floors of the mess created by Republicans. The deficits, wars, pollution, corporate welfare, social disorder -- everything. Then, typically the Republicans will respond by saying that it is the Democrats who raise taxes or give welfare to those impoverished by Republican stupidity.
The blame game is their specialty just as in Hitler's time. It's a damn shame when you think about it. But it proves that the real failings, as always, is with the modern right.
You forgot to include the fact that the Conservatives also voted for that 25% pay raise. In fact, the only party to vote against it was the NDP...yep those lefty NDP voted against that pay raise.
Many people believe that the reason GM, Ford and Chrysler are failing is because of the high cost of health insurance for their employees, in contrast to the national health-care system of Japan. Link
Canada is stuffed to the rafters with rightwingers, it dosn't seem to matter where they're from they all speak the same language and do the same proverbial duck walk, just like boubonic plaque they cross all borders and language barriers, and like a disease they destroy communities without discrimination. Sooner we have a cure the better.:laughing7::wave:
```You forgot to include the fact that the Conservatives also voted for that 25% pay raise. In fact, the only party to vote against it was the NDP...yep those lefty NDP voted against that pay raise.```
It appears that you have illustrated still another example where the right creates a problem but, typically, it is the left that is blamed for it.
Typical ...
It appears that you have illustrated still another example where the right creates a problem but, typically, it is the left that is blamed for it.
Typical ...
Unrestricted capitalism is just as hard on people, too. 'Swhy I keep saying that somewhere in the middle is the best solution. It's also why I keep posting J K Galbraith's sentiment that "In Communism, man exploits man. In Capitalism, it's the opposite."
IOW, the right ain't always right.
The words "Reagan" and "El Salvador", "Bush" and "Iraq" (even Gerry Ford said it was a screwup) come to mind.
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I doubt that, but it makes no difference. Between the left and the right they've both managed to keep us from improving our lives at the rate we could be improving.
I may own my own business, I may be the boss, but I came from the blue collar industry, I treat my associates well. In fact, I don't call them employees.
But what you failed to acknowledge is, who makes the cars that the big three can't sell?
Not the suits.
The union boys and girls, that have shop stewards that whine and cry if forced to do more then their title entails. They fight change and initiative at every turn. That's a fact.
You forgot to include that the NDP did not turn down that raise, which they have the ablity to do. They can vote agianst it, but if passed, they can pass on collecting it.
I'm talking about North American Japanese production lines. They build a better product, because there is no restrictions placed on management associate relations. Management and associates talk over quality and manufacturing, to ensure that the customer gets the best possible product.
I know, I worked for a division of Honda for seven years. The programs they have in place, that would never even pass the employee doors of a union plant, work, they help productivity and quality.
Ya right, the left created the problem, the right just went along for the ride, so did the extreme left I might add. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your views. Why start now, you'll only get confused.
I couldn't agree more.Unrestricted capitalism is just as hard on people, too. 'Swhy I keep saying that somewhere in the middle is the best solution. It's also why I keep posting J K Galbraith's sentiment that "In Communism, man exploits man. In Capitalism, it's the opposite."
IOW, the right ain't always right.
I haven't defended the rights, right to opress, I have been trying to hilite the lefts failings. Something most have failed to grasp. I take the right to task, just as much as the left. Something the hypocrits can not claim for themselves.
Perhaps you (Bear) would prefer to have natives negotiate with conservative governments...has it been your experience that the poor the disabled, natives, immigrants, all those folk building those cars and trinkets you acknowledge aren't built by the suits..... That the right is open and available to entertain something so radical as honest open negotiations...think Seattle and Quebec trade talks...or think about history and humanity at conflict over that period who do you think stands behind the carry a big stick and screw anyone over you can for a dollar mentality it sure wasn't the liefties getting maced fire-hosed and arrested...
I agree in the spirit of so broad a spew as this thread of course that right and left are really far more alike than dissimilar...
Let's consult the historical record to see shall we...
I agree in the spirit of so broad a spew as this thread of course that right and left are really far more alike than dissimilar...
Let's consult the historical record to see shall we...
I seem to recall Chretien having a big smile on his face at Quebec city. Suppose it was the teddy bear he was hit with? That probably tickled. :laughing7: